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Hi again everyone, this one is very interesting, not sure if it is an actual BN or BO? Could this be a No.1



Cheers
Micky

Hello all,
Mickey your 570 Qld is the replacement for Townsville seen used from 1898 rated C

The 113 is Schnapper point 21.5.1856 then Mornington from 16.8.1864 type 1A N.R.

Now the 962 which I think it is, was Katandra 1.1.1877 then renamed Dunbulbalane from 1.7.1878
962 {1} type 9 rated RRR.

Now the 1 not really game could be one of two but I`m not sure whether it`s a double strike or kiss also.
Leave that one to McGooley and to correct me if I`m Wrong with the others

That`s what I make of them any way

Regards

C . P .

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compoundperf hi there, townsville common yet I am still happy to have one so close to home (400km away that is).
A 3R? Wow now I have a 3R to go with my 4R that is wonderful news. I love to know more on that No.1 if it is that number.

Thanks for your help I am going to sleep well tonight.

Cheers Micky

Hi all, great thread but i`ve noticed that the questions here are predominately about Victorian and Queensland numerals.

I have quite a few NSW numerals that I would like to have rated.
Does anybody know of a reference source where this info can be obtained?

Ive searched the board and can`t find anything about rarity or ratings for NSW.
Thanks Bill.

Mcgooley,

I just made a purchase on feebay and thought you might be interested and offer your thoughts.

The lot was decribed thus: Victorian Barred Numeral Collection - over 800 on 15 hagners.

Deceased Estate. Huge collection of Victorian (plus a couple of Kangaroos and KGV) barred numerals from Number 1 to about 2000. Some stamps have visible faults, most numerals can be seen using the enlarged scans below. Hagners come with the collection which makes it about 500g for postage purposes. Note there are some better Victorian stamps to boot. Some duplication of postcodes.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Victorian-Ba ... 0745805198

Cost posted to me was $189.50.

Seller jessalice2 eBay Item number: 170745805198

It was much cheaper than a lot I bought at Phoenix the other week.

Do you think it was value for money as a starter collection?

A couple of images from the lot.

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traralgon3844, can't wait to see the goodies, tried to get on the link you sent but it didn't work.

Micky

Fixed. Try this: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Victorian-Ba ... 0745805198

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Lucky you, I don't know what to say now, WOW!!!

Micky, Compoundperf is on the money with the Victorians. The Dunbulbalane is actually a reasonable strike - - for that office

billlel, hang onto your hat for just a little bit longer. A definitive N.S.W. reference is about 95% complete. I don't know when it'll be ready for the printers, but I have reason to believe it's not too far away.

traralgon3844......so YOU'RE the one
Actually, I kept a watch on that one. Value for money? Yes, if you take the average of about $1 per strike (you'd be paying more through most dealers). I saw a few amongst the mix that would bear closer scrutiny; and there are quite a few decent strikes amongst the lot. IIRC, most of it is unrated but still what I would call a worthwhile mix. Nice catch

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Thanks mcgooley and thanks again Compoundperf, a 3R to add to my collection, just love it. No idea on that one that looks like a No.1? mcgooley if your in need of some missing numbers let me know I can check, don't expect 3R - 5R I only have 1 3R and 1 4R.

That little hoard looks great traralgon3844, good on you .

Micky

Micky, your '1' is type A1, brought in from 1871. Without knowing what printing the stamp is, I'm only taking a guess that this a perf 13 x 12 1/2, with the first 'V' over crown watermark - which would make this strike the A1c, the first of the cancellers with only two sidebars.

(And my 'puta doesn't do 'one-half' symbols. For some reason the codes don't work on this laptop )

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mcgooley copy & paste the above and store in a file on your desktop thats what I do
Yes the Perf. reading is 13 x 12½ and V over crown wmk, how wonderful you are WOW.

Thanks a lot again for your help, I had this for a while but not noticed because how messy it is.

Micky

Hi, here I am again with some hard to understand ones and some questions.
First No.61, 2 different types with but dates vary a lot, the first two have two side bars, was this BN used over 20 plus years? Second the No.265 with 2 different sizes, the little size I have a few seems very common, is the bigger number there for a reason? Third a 384 with two side bars, fourth is a 737 I believe? Fifth is a large looking 76 & finally one that looks like a 244 with 2 side bars.
Like to hear your views on these, thank you.







Cheers
Micky is happy

Micky, Maryborough received 5 issues of it's '61'. Your two examples of the second A2 show part of the range of usage - this canceller was in use from about 1861 right through to Federation. The third example is from the first duplex, in use from about 1866.

Stawell's '265' also had 5 issues. Your 1st example is of the second duplex - from the early-mid 1880s; the other is of the third duplex.

Your faint example of Jan Juc's '384' is still useful - this one's R-rated. '737' is from Foster's second duplex.

'76' is Smythesdale's one and only, and your '244' is Talbot's first-born which saw duty for nearly 50 years.

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Good day to you all and Merry Christmas..

I am interested in purchasing this one, it will go great with my No.1 pair, what do you think is it worth paying $65 for it looks so wonderful (drool...)



Micky

Hi All, Hope you all enjoyed your Christmas and getting ready for 2012, I'm not I don't want to grow old

Ok seriously I need some information on this one, can anyone help please? Is this a Victorian No. or maybe it's a fake, do Tasmania BN go this high?




Is it super rare?
Micky

I'm back again, my new year's resolution is to post more

Anyhow I am curious to know if this is a common or did I strike it rich



Have a safe holiday
Micky

Tasmanian barred numerals have only been seen to BN392 (BN393 and BN394 probably exist but examples have not been reported to date)

Note the fiscal cancel from 1872(?) on the 1/- Chalon (mmmmmm...)

..... I'm no expert on Victorian BN postmarks but this looks like a fake of the second duplex used at Clifton Hill where the first and last numbers extend to the 'margins' of the handstamp. On the impression illustrated, they appear to be somewhat indented and the bars much wider. (see "The Numeral Cancels of Victoria" by Freeman & White, page 318 for an illustration of a genuine strike of BN1384)

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Thanks mickeyfinn, I guess I am lucky to only spend $12 on it and not any more, what does one do with fakes? I guess I can make a folder up for fakes Anyway not to worry I am not bothered and thanks again.

Micky

Hi all,

Grateful if somebody could help me identify this postmark, I believe it is 221 but I am not sure if it is Queensland, which would make it Geram or NSW which would make is Hunters Hill



Thanks for your help

Lundy

Hi Lundy,

It's Hunter's Hill NSW, numeral 221.

Cheers,

Robert

Thank you very much Robert,

Lundy

Good day everyone, hope your having a good day I think I will be soon when I hear good news about any or all these , I am always happy anyway. I have these arriving soon and I am curious on their rating, any R's here?

First is a not so pretty Tasmanian cancel.


Second one a bold looking Victorian No.10


Third one a No.57 with 3 side bars.


Lastly I believe is a No.1203 looking at the slight slant middle of the last number.


Looking forward to your views,
Cheers

Micky

Tassie one-no idea
10 Warrnambool-fifth duplex
57 Kyneton- Type A1
1203 Orbost duplex
None are rated.

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Thank you waroff49, was hoping for something nice oh well, I keep searching .

Cheers
Micky

Mickey, that's the whole thing about stamp collecting- You can search for ever. If you get bored with one area, you just go to another.

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Waroff49

The last chapter of the Never_Ending Story is being written.

I don't believe I can get bored waroff49, to have the goal of finding every BN will take forever but it is worth it, I am enjoying it thank you.
What do you think of these soon to arrive in the post, these are my first covers is that the correct term? They are duplex right? Can't make out the number on Penshurst but I will show it when I recieve it in the mail, it looks like a 141 but my luck it's not the 4R. I did go a bit overboard when buying but I guess I was more eager to own it for the numbers, I guess I am part of that crazy bidding world $6 ea not that crazy though.







Happy New Year
Micky

Hello and Happy New Year to you all, hope it is a special one for you all out there in SB world.
My New Year Resolution is to look before leap and so I am going to ask about these before purchasing, they are all on covers and cards.
Not sure if any of these are the High Ratings or just commons, the 159 is interesting to look at. They price from $15 to $50.






Thanks for taking time to look
Micky

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERONE!!!

Been having a lot of rain here in the Bay of Plenty so browsing stampboards is a great way to pass some time.

I have a few Victorian numerals I would like to identify with your help.



Top row:
1) I've managed to convince myself that this poor specimen is BN 181 type 1B of Ducks Pond rated RRRRR. What do you think?
2) I'm not sure this BN is Victorian. Looks like a New Zealand BN from 1860 issued to Wellington. If so is this unusual?
3) I understand there are a number of different BN 2's of Geelong. Is this the first type ?
Second row:
1) Part duplex 1124 of St Kilda West? Which type?
2) 1458 of Drummond North. Is this type 14B but with thicker figures?

And 2 more on Roos


1) Part duplex of Canterbury? Which one and is it common on Roos.
2) 1186 Coomoora, but is it less common on a Roo?

Thanks in advance for your help.
Philip

Hi everyone.
Can someone fill me in with these two from Pyramid Hill? Not much difference in the dates but the size & font of the numerals differ as do Vic. & Victoria, the compendium says nothing about the differences so are they considered the same in a way?


Thanks
Micky

Micky, if you don't already have examples of the full duplexes it really depends on how much you want them. Personally, given that they're all unrated material, I would be judging the quality of the strike and the condition of the card/cover. Once you start dabbling in postal stationery, it's easy to get lost without a compass.

Your latest post shows the first issue to Pyramid Hill (type 9) which has an over-strike of the datestamp, which is different to the first duplex which came in about 1891-92.

Downunder58, your second example isn't Victorian. I really don't know what it is; but the stamp is a circa mid-1870s issue which would date it to about the time a lot of mainland blokes were hopping across the ditch to have a go at pinching your gold so it's very possible that it is a N.Z. cancel.

I have a very strong suspicion that you're on the money with Duck Ponds. The era of the 'beaded ovals' is right and without measuring the numerals it does seem to have the right amount of coverage over the stamp.

Your '2' is Geelong's first issue of it's A2. MC24 is St. Kilda Railway Station - the second duplex. The 1458 is Drummond North's second issue, rated R.

Canterbury only had the one duplex and it's fairly common on 'roos. On the other hand, Coomoora is a relatively uncommon strike (S-rated) and although it is recorded on 1d 'roo it's still rare enough to put it into the desirable basket.

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Hi mcgooley I actually don't have the full examples, but I think I should just stick to the stamps alone I can try selling the cards lucky I only bought Penhurst, Dunolly & Wangaratta for $20 although I wasted $12 on that No. 1384 Tasmania most likely a Fake so I am saving up for the books to fully understand everything, you are very helpful to everyone and Happy New Year to you mcgooley

Micky

A happy new year to you too, Micky. I wouldn't be too quick to write of the Tassie as a fake. Launceston used both '59' and '60' from the first allocation of that Colony's BN, and if that is an early chalon (either no watermark or large star) then you may have an acceptable example of one of the town's first cancellations.

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Is it possible that the second one is a poor strike of the 5th duplex of Creswick (BN7) which had horizontal bars. I know it looks wider but could two of the bars be broken (in similar fashion to the BN149, third duplex-where the right side of the top bar is missing but on later impressions so are parts of the bottom two bars.

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Waroff49

The last chapter of the Never_Ending Story is being written.

I think you'll find, when you put the two strikes side-by-side, that there are discernible differences. It pays, also, to remember that Creswick's 5th duplex was issued about 1900, and the stamp was in use from 1873 to 1884.

The strike doesn't resemble any of the other Aussie colonies from that time period that I know about. Not knowing anything about the N.Z. cancellations I can't comment further than I already have, but I would suggest that given the amount of traffic between Oz and N.Z. during that time-frame it is a possibility. If it is, as Philip suggests, Wellington's numeral then that just adds to the plausibility, IMHO

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mcgooley thanks for your help on the cancels.

Pleased that you agree with the BN181, poor quality but rare! The numerals are approx 10mm high which seems right.

As far as the BN7 is concerned I checked "The Postage Stamps of New Zealand" vol 3 which covers postmarks and it is definitely a Wellington cancel from 1860 but in a worn state. It is known to have been used as late as 1897.

Philip

Hi mcgooley, I will let you know more on the watermark of the Tasmania/Victoria cancel when I recieve in mail.
Can I ask your views on the No.5 please, although I think it might of sold I will look for it again, $90 I think. And the No.1 inner bars are not even with the number the distance between the 1 & bar, could be just a heavier cancel to confuse me, and the asking price is about $7.




Thank you always and never enough
Micky

Hi again, I have found a couple more in my lot, what's your views? I am sure the first one is a No. 99 & the second is No.793 the 9's in both stamps look same but are they? These were very light so I had to darken them up a lot to read.




Micky

That pair is priced for the samps not the cancel, which is unrated. It looks like the second A1.

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The 793 is Toolamba (Second type) rated ss.

99 is Wickliffe (3rd type) rated s.

Not sure about the 1 but it is probably priced for the stamp.

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Much Appreciated traralgon3844, The pair looks really nice, I could not find it again so not to bother, the other two I will put into place with the others I have and I think it will take forever to collect alll the BN, thats the fun part.

Cheers again
Micky

You wwill NEVER collect ALL the Barred Numerals.

If you don't have it you should have put a Christmas wish in for this. It really is invaluable.

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I know I might not be able to get them all, but never say never in my dream land . Yes that book I really do need Easter is closer then Christmas I will start wishing.

Micky

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Good day again, I am starting to think I am a broken record player. Found this one mixed in with my NSW BN, don't know how or why. Is this the more common 289 it does have a tail, I am expecting it might need the two side bars for that extra wonderful look and 3R rating.



Cheers for being a great help
Micky

Your 289 looks to be the 4th duplex of Hotham and probably by then North Melbourne. Unrated.

It was a small insignificant Post Office.

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