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Ok small, what's a large Post Office look like , I know the best looking one is Rock Valley what a view to relax in, WOW!


Thanks traralgon3844 I needed a laugh and thanks for the identification as well, I almost forgot

Micky

Hi Silko54, The Diamond Numeral cancellation #1 was allocated to Port Adelaide..

Rarity is C (Common) -- Latest Date or Issue - 1864

I'll have a look at your other stamps a bit later.. I may not be much help, but I might know something about a couple of them..

Cheers Bunge

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If that is a stamp and not a "cut out", it is a shame they ruined it.. As for the cancel it is called a Barred Oval and #1 is Melbourne - A common (BO) cancel..

Cheers Bunge

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Hi Skilo,

The cancellation on the New South Wales stamp you weren't 100% sure on is definitely a 779. The tiny part strike at the left proves it.

The strike on the last NSW 2d De La Rue I'd say is a 49.

Cheers,

Robert

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Hi Mcgooley, hope your year is going fine

Have a couple more that have me stumped..

1st - Possibly 57 , Type ? (I have no reference to it, Type 1A & A1 only, which it is not)
2nd - 1624 ? (Looks like enough room for another #, judging by the top bars)
3rd - ??? - I originally thought it may have been 19, but now I am not so sure.. As the 1, if that is what it is, appears to be in the middle, so it could have a # between 1 & 9 before it !! Tricky one




This one arrived today.. I thought I may be able to work it out once it was infront of me, but no, just as indistinct as it was in the pic when I blew it up..
I am thinking 207, but would appreciate your thoughts.. The 2 is pretty distinct, so perhaps you can nail it by that..



Thanks again for all your help
Bunge

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I've always liked the look of this piece. The stamp is not tied and has been lifted but has the numeral 28 of Kooringa so probably does belong.

Can anyone tell me were the "PAID" cancel is from? More than 2 months later so UK?



Philip

Downunder58, possibly UK....could have been one of few articles that actually made the journey within 60 days during that year.

Bunge,
top row: Kyneton's 2nd issue (A1). The first issue only had 2 side-bars (A2)
Ascot Vale's (1624) 2nd duplex. Woodend (119) first issue.

It looks very like (207) Kerang's 1st duplex. The '2' is distinctive, being shared with several other "200" run duplexes which were cut during the 1870s. The only other alternative could have been South Yarra's 3rd, but the '0' is too rounded.

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Hello from Far North Qld, I have a tricky one for you. Not sure what it can be, maybe a 30, 80 or 90 or a mess


Thanks for checking
Micky

My second thought is that it's 68 of Plenty (Whittlesea) - upside down......my first thought is that it's a mess

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Well I know the Mess is rated Super Common there are plenty around . Thanks mcgooley I needed a good laugh on this hot day. I can see the 6 now you mentioned it, by the way is there any Numeral Cancellation of Victoia books left for sale on earth? I really need to buy one next pay day so I can understand the types, I thought this one below had a 2R rating with the 3 side bars but I think I am wrong again, I showed it in last page and got the information from your 'What barred numeral is that' page.


Thanks again
Micky

Micky, a much clearer copy of what Bunge showed a few posts back. Kyneton's first issue (A2 with two side bars) only had a relatively short life - I was never able to conclusively figure out just what happened to it, and it has a 2R rating.

The second issue (your example) was received in the latter half of 1857 and in use through to the 1880s.

Get Glen to hold a copy of Hugh's book;

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=9696&start=50

he may be a couple of miles up in the air......you might be in luck

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Hi mcgooley

Here's another one that was in a lot I just received.



Looks like 364 to me

Worth keeping

Thanks

Bill

Naaaah, send it to me

Loverly clear copy of Tarilta's 3R-rated BN. Some people have all the luck! Well done

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Hi Jenny,

Check your email.

Cheers

Bill

Hi Jenny,

Here are a couple more out of the same collection.



57 is Kyneton

Not sure of the second one, lots of numbers end in 48

Cheers

Bill

but only three of them had duplexes, which is what I believe this one is.

The stamp itself also argues this came from a large office, so based on these pieces of information, I vote for South Melbourne's 4th duplex of 148.

FYI, the other two duplexes ending in 48 are Mordialloc's 448 (very little usage, R-rated), and Port Melbourne North's 1548 (even more scarce with a 3R-rating).

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Thanks Jenny.

Your logic sounds spot on to me.

Duplex, barred numeral & butterfly cancels are giving me a migraine.

Time to move onto something less challenging -> Samoa Express and their forgeries & reprints.

Cheers

Bill

Morning or Evening to all BN fans out there, looking for your opinion on this one, a 50 cent stamp or as rare as they come? I think it's a 702.




Cheers Micky

About $1 Watchem's 1702. Lingham's Flat (702) closed well before this stamp was even a twinkle in the designer's eye.

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I see that isn't much of a twinkle , thanks mcgooley I can see how it is 1702 now and I am learning slowly


Micky

I'm back again with another unusual Tasmania Number looks to be a 544 but apparently Tasmania numbers don't go that high, or could it be a 344 maybe a heavy hand was used on this one, and mcgooley I rec. the other unusual Tasmania stamp this week the 1384, and I had to use an eyedropper with warm water to remove the small amount of paper stuck on the back I cannot see a watermark at all and the paper is very thin.

If you need another clearer scan for the below I will do so when I receive in the mail. $0.35



Micky

Good day everyone, hope your all keeping cool this summer and warm in the winter where ever you may be.
Here is a tricky one for me, no idea even with the part lettering, to me it looks to be a 1700 number.


Thank you for looking
Micky

Micky, first a couple of thoughts on your 1s Tasmanian chalon;



It's not a Victorian BN, but I don't think I'd write it off as a fake - it's possibly U.K. I know nothing about BN from other countries, except that they had them, so it might be an idea to ask in tallanent's thread on British Postmarks;

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=26976

What does bother me is that you said you couldn't detect a watermark...I believe that issue should have one

It's also possible that the 1d Tasmanian is also a UK numeral. To me it does look like 544, definitely not Victorian, but the numerals are distinctive.

With your '1700' number, there are a few possibilities. The fact that it's blue suggests a railway station, so we have Tarra Warra (1701), Watchem (1702), Pettavel (1703), Cassilis (1705), and Clyde (1707).

I'm ruling out 1701, 1705, and 1707, simply because there is a faint hint of rounded ink on a couple of the right-hand perfs. And I'm going to rule out Pettavel based on the lettering which is visible, which leaves us with Watchem.

Just my thoughts.

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mcgooley I was using picasso changing colour & so on, and I found a watermark it looks to me like a No. 2 might be a 12. I will go have a look at the UK thread, I am liking BN a lot more these days, they are indeed an interesting item to collect sometimes I don't think about the stamp they are on, mor of the number.

Thanks for your help once again
Micky

Hi Mcgooley, thanks for your help from my previous posts.. I just keep adding to the collection.. I have received a few more from the States today, only a few BNs out of 46 stamps. I bidded on the Lot for only one stamp, another ((73)) and got the lot for a song, about $13.50 US, including postage.. They are mounted so I am busy soaking them and have a couple more I am unsure about, so I will post them later when they are dry..

This one has a small 83 written on the back but I don't know if it is reference to the BN or not.. It isn't reference to Scott Catalogue numbers as I have checked, and it is not a SG reference either.. I have the pages (613 - 629) for all the Aussie States, very handy when dealing with ebay sellers from the US, as they almost always quote Scott numbers..

Anyway here "she" is, pity the ink is so thick..



Upside down, upside down, now I sound like "Blackboard"




Thanks Jenny
Pete

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A cleaned fiscal pen cancel some faker has applied a heavy fake cancel over to try and hide the reamins of the pen cancel.

UK numbers did not pass 999 so no idea what he faked. Appears hand drawn to me.

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Regards the '1384', I noticed the pen cancel and couldn't understand why it would have been cancelled twice Glen, thanks for the info regarding UK BN, that's my new thing for today

Pete, the '83' pencilled on the back of the 9d probably relates to the BN, but my first thought is that it's one of Collingwood's (158) home-made varieties - there were several. These were mainly used for parcel posts, so the stamp rate 'fits' my theory, and this also explains the rather curious pattern of the bars (most of the later cancellers in this home-made group had the number, with bars top and bottom, inside a circle). Hope this doesn't add to the confusion

Hugh's book shows a number of these. I have only one example (that I got from Hugh ) and it's not a full strike.

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Thanks Jenny, "Hope this doesn't add to the confusion", well without Hugh's book there is a fair amount of confusion in this camp .. But soon those Solar Panels are paid for and I will order a copy from Glen, and the Half Lengths too ..

I have Hugh's email addy so I may email him these pics and see what he thinks.. I hope you are right about the "home-made group" as that would be another "one of" for me..

Cheers Pete

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Back again, I just emailed Hugh and this was his reply :-

Hi Pete,
Yes, happy to confirm the homemade 158, mainly used on parcels. Send me news of new rarities any time
cheeers,
Hugh

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So these go in the what category of rarity, or are they not rated as such ??
Since my confusion has come down a few levels now

Cheers Pete

Edit :- As Glen says below, well deduced Jenny.. Your Detective Skills never cease to amaze me

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Well deduced Jenny.

Thanks everyone, I will dispose of the fraud stamp or does someone actually collect them? I really don't want anything to do with fakes of any type.

Micky is always happy

Hi Micky, check your email, I will do a swap with you for it if you like

Cheers Pete

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Hi bunge, no need for swap mate, I will send it to you lucky it only cost me $10 not my car . I was about to reply you, bit slow in the heat.

Cheers Bunge
Micky

Micky, the fraud (fake-whatever) has value in that it can be used for comparison for other cancels. I would suggest that you do keep it, with notations, and use it in as a reference value. If you don't want to do that.......throw it my way The R.P.S.V. has a good library of fakes and forgeries of stamps, these add to our knowledge

Pete, when you get your copy of Hugh's book read the first 9 chapters carefully, and before you hoe into all the hoopla of the actual BN. Most people I know who do own a copy never seem to get out of the main tabulation - which is why they continue to stuff up; wanting strikes to be the 'special' ones rather than taking the time to understand how the series progressed over the 50 year period.
Remembering that the book was published in 2001 (that's gonna make a few people feel old ), the rating supplied for Collingwood's home-mades is 2R.
I would suggest that as more people become aware of, and appreciate, the early cancellations - of every colony - the number of known copies of some strikes will increase through natural attrition. (Then again, time will prove that some cancellations are always going to be very rare.)

Glen, deduction is only ever a process of eliminating the impossible, the improbable, and the wishful-thinking.
Micky said earlier, in so many words, that he occasionally forgets to check the stamp that the cancel is on - this can be a fatal mistake. The two go hand-in-hand.

Just read what was happening while I typed this. Pete, a good deal

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Thanks for helping mcgooley I appreciate it anyway I made my mind up and letting Bunge have it, he can look after it I just continue on doing what I do asking and having fun on SB no matter mistakes or striking gold.
I don't know if you can work this one out by any chance? Looks to me like a 1555 Darke's Forest although it might be a 1553 Keiraville. If it is Darke's Forest has it a rating?


Micky is always happy and he is also thankful for everyone's help, love your webpage Glen, by the way are there any more Victorian BN books left in stock will try to buy one in next few weeks.

Cheers
Micky

Micky, this is definitely a N.S.W. cancel. I'll take a punt and say 555 (of Mt. Gipps?) but it's outside my area.

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Oh great I like the 555 part, there is actually a 1 in front of the 5's I love to show a closer scan but it's not in my hands yet and a 1555 Darke's Forest might be a buy for me, post office only lasted about 6 years in the 1890's. You can see the green box holds the No.1 and the white arrows show the border around the numbers, it's nothing flash I know but still it must have a rating for a post office open such a short time, right?



Thanks always mcgooley
Micky

I'd say 1555 Micky, and on a good stamp too

One of these days we'll have a rating for NSW numeral cancellations !!

Cheers,

Robert

Hi Robert, yes it is a nice stamp thank you, I am learning slowly yet I still jump into things I should ask about first and I guess $15 is worth the money.

Micky

Micky, the N.S.W. BN in the era of this cancel were "boxed" cancels, so you would expect to see a stroke either side of the numbers.

I do not pretend to know anything about BN other than Victorian - and then it's a case of 'by guess' and 'by god' - but IMHO there is no way this would (could) be a Victorian BN.
'555' in the Victorian lexicon had no side-bars, and neither did either of the two issues for '558'.

I read what 'Bathhurst Stamper" wrote. He's absolutely correct about one day having ratings for N.S.W. cancellations.

Sue me, this is not a VIC cancellation
When I first started in this journey, I took everything that came my way. Ripped off to the max - absolutely, by people who knew less than I did in this field; and by some that knew about as much as what I did - ZIP - and by some who believed that "come-in-spinner" was the name of the game.

Then there was the priceless moment when I asked Hugh Freeman who he used as his authority (I'd never heard of him); and I had Bill Purves' ghost hammering "you idiot" into my skull.

Seen what has been posted, sorry, I will not concur that this is a VIC cancel.

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Oh my I haven't done something wrong have I? ahh sorry sorry, please bar me if I have done so. I don't feel good now my appologies to mcgooley and SB. I definately need to take my time when writing a post.


Michael

Hi again mcgooley, yes I will read and reread those first 9 chapters and take notes.. I have a pile of notes now, and some don't make 100% sense as I don't think I have the whole story.. Hence this post..

Now we discussed Type 10A and 11A once before and all I really know is that they are Roman Numerals, but some of the Roman Numerals are not Type 10A, 11A etc.. Which brings me to this stamp I have been meaning to post for ages but it got put in another container, thus out of the way of my busy fingers

It is MC/24 and Type 11A is RRRR... I don't expect this to be Type 11A, so what Type is it and what would Type 11A look like so I can update my notes

I am assuming that what I am looking for in Type 11A would be the same for 10A, 12A, 13A and 14A.. I will worry about the 15s and beyond at a later date

Here "she" is..




Thanks again Jenny
Pete

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Micky,

$15 for that stamp is a good price, SG price for the cheaper stamp 3 years ago was £12 and Juzwin's price was $30 then.

The cancel makes it a great bargain !!

Cheers,

Robert

Thank you Robert, When I receive the stamp I can hopefully produce a clearer scan and be able to identify the number. The stamp is just as important without the number it's more of a bonus to have the number.

Those who know are the ones to learn from. mcgooley, bathurst stamper, Glen and SB thank you always for helping.

Micky

This is St. Kilda West's first duplex. The beauty of scanning is that you can pick up things much easier than with the naked eye - to the left of the bar there is the faint outline of the datestamp part of the duplex.

MC24 had two incarnations, originally as St. Kilda West and then from late 1886 as St. Kilda Railway Station (the duplex most people will be familiar with). The quickest way to spot the difference is the original duplex had 'T' next to the bar, the second has 'S'. An entire copy of the 1st duplex is rather scarce, with less than 100 examples known (R-rated).

On the original, type 11A, MC24 issue, the tail on the '2' is more prominent, and the '4' has a foot.

There are a number of offices from the 'roman' range which used roman numerals in their duplex - just to add to the fun - and some appear at first glance to be very similar to, but the majority are slightly smaller than, the original issue.

Regarding the different types of original issue in this range; Youarang's 'M' is type 10, the rest were 10A; Koroop's 'MC' is type 11, followed by 11A; Carapook's 'MCC' is type 12, followed by 12A and 12B; Tyer's 'MCCC' is type 13, and the rest were 13A; Yinnar's 'MCCCC' is type 14, with 14A and 14B after that; and Cherry Tree's 'MD' is type 15, followed by 15A, 15B, and 15C.

With any luck I haven't muddied the waters too much

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Thanks Jenny, I'm still confused but that's nothing unusual It will become clear when I have Hugh's book infront of me

Now I bought this last night for $6.11 plus $3.09 postage from the UK.. It has a thin but I'm not bothered about that, I bought it for the BN..

It is BN 100 of Carisbrook, looks like Type A2 to me.. Now there are 2 different Types of A2, just to add to more confusion
Which Type is this one ? I am assuming the 1st Type, because it is on an 1858 "Queen on Throne" probably SG 73 , but I have been wrong in my assumptions more than I have been right

Here "she" is :-




Thanks Jenny
Pete

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Pete, a perfectly acceptable example of Carisbrook's first-born A2 canceller.

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Good evening everyone, I have a NSW one I am not sure on, is it a 909 Mohonga or 606 Gulargambone 2nd allocation, wish it was the 1st?


Thank you for your time
Micky

Micky,

A 606 for sure. The top of the 6 arches over a lot more than the tail of the 9 on these cancels.

Cheers,

Robert