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Thank you mobbor. :) I see a "LE" at the right bottom of the stamp from the cancel. Toolern Vale. That has to be it.
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Found some information about Toolern Vale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toolern_Vale,_Victoria

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Here's one that is not in premierpostal from the 1930's
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Whatever it is, it doesn't look like it's going to be easy to pronounce.

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Not that difficult, Burwood N.S.W.

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Can some kind person illuminate me on the postmark on these roos. It appears to be "SPECl 6.



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Sandgroper (how come you are in Batemans Bay?) your postmark is a Special from Sydney: 23 July 1914.
I cannot remember noticing this one before, it must be quite special :!:
Mobbor, your Burwood cancel is another machine cancel.

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Sandgropers are known wanderers and although I come from the West have for reasons unknown settled in Batemans Bay, a rather nice place to live I might add.

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I appreciate that the postmark is a special from Sydney. Is there any further info as to the reason for its use?

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Kainnikanada, I do not have stamps on site so I'm still working on transfering autocad work to here.

The other thing that confuses me in identifying the 4d Violet 1921 cancel is, that at some time earlier than Nov 1920 the design for HAY NSW was changed. I am not an expert in postal history / cancels and I do not know if the old canceller was still used at the same time as the new one.

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I have double checked the accuracy of the " block " I'm using to move over the 4d Violet and there is 1 significant and 3 minor differences in the strike - I hope I can show you that soon.

And by the way the assortment of perf T's I have, turned up 1 or 2 at a time over 40 years.

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Search4d:

Here's a "StampCompare" of your two 4d yellows.


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Since the selection of the pixel markings (points of comparison) are not relatively proportionally spaced ("A" & "Y" points I selected for the program to use) when the overlay is done one of the two images will always become distorted - you can get some really weird looking ones. Note that it could only hold one point for comparison while the others were blown away.

I've imported all three of your images into Photobucket. The scaled distances between selected points do prove the first and second images have the same cancel while self-evident, comparison of the first and third, prove the two cancels are different.

As proof, see the mock-up I've appended below.

In Photoshop, I enlarged each image to approximately the same size, added a grid, then rotated each stamp so that the lower right corner of each 'A' was at a gridline intersection then rotated again to have the base of the 'Y' on the same horizontal gridline.

Notwithstanding the poor scan of the 4d violet, one can see that both the 'Y' and end of the right arc on the first 4d Yellow and 4d Violet are found in similar positions on the gridlines proving they are the same cancel. The 2nd 4d yellow with the different cancel has obviously different grid points for the 'Y' and end of the right arc.

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The above is neither perfect nor scientific but provides a good case.

I can also post compartive distance measurements between the points shown below, for each stamp, to prove the first two posted have the same cancel while the last one is radically different.


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Excellent work Kainnikanada!

What I don't understand though is why Search4d still appears to feel that the postmark is from somewhere other than HAY. As mentioned above, the very same 4d violet KGV with forged T perfin has already been discussed fully on the Tasmanian Philatelic Society's online forum 12 months ago (even the same 4d orange with Hay cds including 'time' was illustrated). When I posted an image of the datestamp used at GRAY during the 1920s, the discussion ended ...'QED' I thought at the time.

There were two datestamps of the same basic type used at HAY in the early 1920s - one with and one without 'time'. The postmark on the 4d violet is the HAY 'date only' type, the postmark on the 4d orange is the HAY 'with time' type. Hopefully (and with Kainnikanada's fine efforts) , it's QED ...again!

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I will raise this for a last time. Don't any of the gurus have an idea as to why this postmark was used.

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Sandgroper, sorry for my previous flippant reply.
I am a pom cum sandgroper cum Canberran so have also wandered.
I trawled through my carton of Sydney postmarks looking for specials and came up with 1, perhaps 2.
One is a little later than yours and the possible is modern.
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We need a Sydney specialist researcher to illuminate these. They are scarce.

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Hi AliceACT I didn't for a moment take your earlier response as flippant. I was just so pleased to get a response to my query. I initially thought that the postmark was specl 6 but I now see that it is SPEC56. You would think that with so many knowlegible members one would have come across this postmark before. Perhaps I might send it down to Premier Postal. Your postmarks are different I fear. If you are interested in postmarks I have scores of early west aussie postmarks that might interest you as a one time sandgroper!!

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see PH NSW, page 61

Sydney duplexes were also used in association with mail from TPO's. On certain mail received they were also used as duplexes or cds. backstamps, with the time replaced by the word " SPECIAL ".

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Thanks David that illuminates sandgroper's postmark.
Sandgroper, I think your cancel shows SPECL6 rather than SPEC56.
I am always interested in getting more postmarks, specially WA & NSW, perhaps we can e-mail on this.

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Thanks AliceACt and David. Firstly AliceACT I think that if you look at the left hand stamp of the pair you will agree that it is 56. I will contact you regards postmarks. For David sorry for my ignorance but can you please tell me what PH NSW page 61 refers to.

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The Postal History of New South Wales, 1788-1901, John White, Editor, published by Philatelic Association of NSW. I think Philas still has some stock available,

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I will raise this for a last time. Don't any of the gurus have an idea as to why this postmark was used.

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I believe it is SPECL6, (SPECiaL), their abbreviation for SPECIAL was SPEC (underlined little L), and also if it was 56 the 5 would have a rounded bottom( :lol: ), not squared.

Also see this link by Roo-Chalon

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Hi Clemo you have nailed it, it is as you say definitely special with the l underlined. Roo Challon had the exact same cancellation in his post. Wonder what it was used for?

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This cancel has me stumped. I purchased it from an American dealer recently and would like to ID the post mark. If any one could help please.

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Here's one I've been able to identify thanks to PPA, but I still have no idea what sort of P.O. it was or what T.A.R. means. Apparently it was only open for a couple of years.

T.A.R. 634 mile

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Similar to the above. It's No.7 pumping station, also W.A., but ............

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I have a spare copy of this so it's undoubtedly not rare, but if anyone can provide further details, it's available free.

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Similar to the above. It's No.7 pumping station, also W.A., but ............

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I have a spare copy of this so it's undoubtedly not rare, but if anyone can provide further details, it's available free.


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I still have no idea what sort of P.O. it was or what T.A.R. means.


The Western Australian Trans Australia Railways 634 postmark is of Type C (30 mm diameter) and is highly rated as ‘1' in R. & J. Goulder’s Western Australia Postal Markings 2002.


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Wierd Al & Brummie,

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A?GHORNES?

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It's Langhorne's Creek in South Australia.
PO c.1851; replaced by Langhorne Creek PO 5/12/1940.

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First I'd like to thank all you postmark experts & Glen for his listings of numbers.
I've gone through a few bundles of NSW stamps looking for legible nos. Here is something a little different- a manuscript written in both directions:-
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I can read new south- printed- & wales in running writing. The 2nd vertical line running from the base seems to start with a capital E & an a. Any more clues?

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Unfortunately I cant make it out, but I've had a play trying to make it a bit clearer to read. Maybe someone else can make it out now?

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Hi All,

I've looked on the PPA website, but this Victorian cancel has me stumped.

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It appears to end in "IN RAIL" possibly "WIN RAIL", any ideas?

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My extrapolation is TARWIN RAIL, possibly the same place listed as TARWIN RS in PPA.

PO 1/3/1892; closed 30/6/1969

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Thanks Staples.

That is much better. I believe the 2nd word is Early. My wannabe forensic scientist daughter is enjoying playing around with it too & thinks the next word is America.

Whether there is any significance whatever to the markings is another matter. If there any further breakthroughs I report in the next episode.

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Thank you. I've now found a few other references to a Tarwin Rail postmark using Google, but no pictures.

Mobbor,

Happy to help, good luck decoding.

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This reads something like "ADVBA...."

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"ADVenture BAy" Tasmania.

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ADV BASE PO or something like that.
Military, Advanced Base Post Office

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Here's a similar one on Feebay:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AUSTRALIA-1944-AUST-ADV-BASE-P-O-B-NO-7-MADANG-/110722040549

Might be helpful if someone could capture the image ... I don't have the tools where I am at present.

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Here's a similar one on Feebay:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AUSTRALIA-1944-AUST-ADV-BASE-P-O-B-NO-7-MADANG-/110722040549

Might be helpful if someone could capture the image ... I don't have the tools where I am at present.


Thanks muruk and dwhopper

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AUSTRALIA 1944

AUST. ADV. BASE P.O. "B" NO. 7

"MADANG" TO HOBART TASMANIA

WITH AUSTRALIAN MILITARY FORCE

PASSED BY CENSOR MARKING

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And my original - front and back - similar Postmark configuration and Military Censorship cachet so the Advance Base seems to be correct (don't have Prouds to check). Backstamp probably Brisbane Queensland.

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There must be a list available of where military post offices were at any particular time.

I don't have such a list, but have bought items where the seller has obviously been able to look up that information. Some European listings are on the web.

Anyone know where these lists can be accessed for Australian Military Forces?

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There must be a list available of where military post offices were at any particular time.

I don't have such a list, but have bought items where the seller has obviously been able to look up that information. Some European listings are on the web.

Anyone know where these lists can be accessed for Australian Military Forces?


I found this (mentioned by dwhopper)

"Proud Bailey’s Australian Military Postal Services 1914-50."

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I'm very inclined to go with GRAY Tasmania. The letters are too far apart for Ensay, and not far enough apart for Hay or Way.

Perchance Mickeyfinn or one of our other Tassie collectors might see this one and be able to shed some light.

Its not Gray. The Gray CDS at that time would have been a type 1 that was used before the Commonwealth period until 1942, and has small letters. There are many Tas CDS ending in "ay" and the lettering looks like some of the 1920 - 1930 Tas CDS, but all of the likely town names are quite long ( ending in "...railway" or ..."bay" in most cases. As Glen says, George the forger has been active selling forged "T" perfins on eBay. See http://tps.org.au/bb/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=782 for details of some of his offerings.

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muruk wrote:
There must be a list available of where military post offices were at any particular time.

I don't have such a list, but have bought items where the seller has obviously been able to look up that information. Some European listings are on the web.

Anyone know where these lists can be accessed for Australian Military Forces?

Looks like No ? Aust Adv Base PO. See "The Postal History of the Australian Army During World War lI " by P Collas. There were "Aust Adv Base PO " numbers 1,2,3 & 7. At least Adelaide and Townsville has Adv Base POs - there is quite a bit of detail in Collas but its too long to reproduce here. See pages 96, 98 and the Index on P 248. Hope this helps

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 22:34:14 pm 
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Hi all, would this one might also have something to do with Army :?:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 23:32:09 pm 
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Letters look like RAAF, so Air Force rather than Army.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 23:32:28 pm 
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The letters at left might be part of RAAF.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 00:49:51 am 
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Cool, thanks muruk and The Pom.

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