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Thomas,

the 3rd. stamp on the last row has a pen & a postal cancel, the others are all fiscals,

David B.

I agree, the 3rd left bottom looks interesting.a typical " X " and a nice barred Numeral.

Where is it from...??

Nowhere logical , I suspect .

I am still in Tasmania ..without access to any reference works.. but I am reasonably sure that 341 is NUDGEE.

Problem..as far as I know, NUDGEE never had a R.O..

Ain't this stuff fun !!

Hi David,

a few more. I believe they are postal. The first one could be Wolca but can't make out the second.

Ron

ron,

yes, the 1st. is definitely Wolca, the second looks like Mt. Larcombe,

David B.

The First is is WOLCA , no doubt there

The second one... Umm.. don't know but I'm not comfortable with MOUNT LARCOMB(E). .

A couple of reasons...

Firstly the Bundaberg cancellation.. Its a fair distance from MOUNT LARCOMBE..The cover should habe been cancelled somewhere else ( TPO ? ) before BUNDABERG... Still ,it's not enough to rule it out.

Secondly.. its rarely seen as Mount , usually Mt.,again not enough to rule it out.

Thirdly It the first word is "Mount"... the the "Larcombe" part should have run off the second stamp , easily, but it hasn't. It's far too short.

So, what are we left with that could have been cancelled at Bundaberg, nothing really but..

How about an unknown manuscript then .. ?

I will toss one in for the fun of it, but one really needs to see the offending piece in the flesh to be more certain.

MAROONDAN.

Weekness , its just south of GIN GIN . However , sometime in 1910 ,GIN GIN once again became an Official P.O. after having been previously downgraded to a R.O. so the nearest official Post office probably was BUNDABERG. This is cancelled 28 MR 1910.. so a good chance.

MAROONDAH was a Railway R.O. ( like GIN GIN ) in 1910. Its in The Bundaberg, Wide Bay area where they liked to write their name all over the stamps.. so it fits there as well.

There are no other " Mounts " in the Bundaberg area which would fit or anything else that I can find at the moment .

Does it fit ?

Another one for the problem solvers,

David B.

I think Laurie might have it.

I have tried to eliminate the heavy cancel by tracing over the writing. From the result below I reckon I can make 'Maroondan' out of what is left.

David, Sorry I couldn't be of help with your names. I did try. Many thanks to you and Laurie for your input.

Ron

This is what my Maroondan on cover looks like,



David B.

I have to admit that the tracing looks OK as Maroondan.
Maroondan was a Receiving Office located at the Railway Station, and staffed by (unnamed )Railway officials,according to the Pughs Almanacs of the time, thus the different officials over the period.

I got a batch of several hundred of these a few years ago and they have me totally baffled. I don't know how they were collected because if they were mailed then they would have gone everywhere. Perhaps they were sent locally from Maryborough and then the rubber cancels were added when received? I am hoping your collective experience can shed some light. They are all dated 1893.

The first is the Maryborough Newspaper Company Ltd rubber stamp, always in blue and the most common. Always has a regular datestamp cancel as well. Here is a composite image.



Then there is the Maryborough Chronicle and the Colonist in pink but occasionally in blue as well, again always with the regular datestamp cancel (These were the names of two newspaper in Maryborough at the time)



Then I have a few that says Wide Bay (Presumably the newspaper that was called the Wide Bay and Burnett News)



I have a couple that say William Keith



and finally I have several that have the Maryborough postal datestamp as well as a manuscript cancel



Any suggestions?

The proprietor of the Wide Bay and Burnet News was William Keith
, the paper being published Tuesday , Thursday and Saturdays from its offices in Bazaar Street Maryborough.

The Maryborough Newspaper Company published the Maryborough Chronicle ( daily ) and the Colonist ( weekly ) from its offices in kent Street Maryborough.

The are not R.O cancels , I suspect.The could the be a form of "perforation " ,but as a Rubber Stamp ,being used instead , for the the same purpose as a privately perforated stamp.. to post the Newspapers.

As these appear on Stamps from both Newspaper Publishers in Maryborough.. was this a a cheaper "local " custom ?

The bottom three are most likely to be a R.O. cancellation, but as MARYBOROUGH hade a number of R.O.s on different Mail Runs.. there is little chance of identifying these.

The only newspaper in Qld I am aware of that has its name pre cancelled on it is The Patriot Newspaper, Maryborough.

I have recorded 3 survivors all on 6d sideface.

I believe the above were just simply cancelled by the proprietor as a receiving cancel.

Newspapers posted I would have thought they were wrapped in a newspaper wrapper.

Dave

Another Newspaper from MARYBOROUGH pre cancelling their stamps...It looks a lot like a local "custom" of the Newspapers in Maryborough.

Newspaper Wrappers are not my area... bur I am sure that we have keen collectors of them on here ...What wrappers from MARYBOROUGH do you have.. and are they from the period that we are looking at here ?

Cheer Laurie

Thanks. A receiving cancel makes sense, otherwise how could they have all ended up in the one batch. As I said, I have several hundred of these. I also have them on the 6d green and 1 shilling purple stamps, not sure how those could have been used for newspaper postage.

The only problem in allocating these cancellations as Receiving Office cancellations is.. there were no R.O.s within MARYBOROUGH. The Offices of the Newspapers were withing walking distance of the Maryborough Post Office...

Maybe the Newspapers precancelled all their Stamps to prevent pilfering by Staff.. which I suppose was one of the original reasons to perforate ones' Stamps

As to how they could all end up together.. Newspapers were regularly posted to Stations and Properies in the district. and beyond. Thus with the different dates , you are looking at an accumalation of postings ,where someone has kept the stamps..

The Six pence and Shilling Stamps. ... Newspaper Publishers were allowed to combine a number of papers together in one parcel as long as the P.O. could count the ends to confirm the number.of Papers

The Postage was then a multiple of the number of Papers..

Is it possible that the "daily" Newspapers were sent out in batches? Likely , given that they were I think ,as mail delivery to these Stations was weekly, at the best .

Thanks Laurie, that makes sense. Although that would also mean there must be many thousands of these out there. Has anyone seen these elsewhere?

I have never seen any,

David B.

I am intrigued by the possibility of it being used an an inhouse perfin. Does anyone know when perfins were introduced into Queensland? Could this usage predate perfins? I have seen lots of private perfins on the 3rd sideface issue but offhand I cannot recall seeing any on the second sideface issue.

Jeremy

Further to the Maryborough mystery, I have come across this in an old philatelic journal:

"In Queensland, newspaper proprietors sending parcels of newspapers by post were allowed to cancel the stamps used to prepay postage by simply writing the name of the newspaper or the proprietors across the stamp, and no further cancellation was done by the postal authorities."

In this case though, rather than writing the name of the newspapers, a rubber stamp was used. However, it is also evident that in most cases these stamps were then cancelled by the postal authorities

What a great looking cancel.

Glen,

it is a reconstruction of the oval cachet,

Jeremy,

I have a few part strikes as well, will look for them,


David B.

Receiving Office cancels,

some new additions,

Yarwun, Receiving Office opened 1901, closed about June 1903.

Railway opened December 18th. 1903, Receiving Office opened at the station March 1905.

Full Post Office July 1905, back to Receiving Office 1910, back again to full Post Office 1913.

mss. in pencil, presumably between 1901 & 1903

Railway Office cancel of Yarwun, 657 on already canc. Targinnie GF mss. (Targinnie Gold Fields) & mss. ?.



David B.

Hi Dave

I have just purchased this one, the Patriot on a 2d block of 4 cancelled Maryborough Code F 12 January 1894


They are cancelled The Patriot in Black Ink and The Patriot in blue ink. What colours where the ones you have seen?

David,

this may be of interest. It could possibly be 'Glass Houses'?



Ron

R. O. Glass House Mountains.

Became a PO in 1914.

These are the only manuscript cancels on Qld. sidefaces I have (and I have a couple of thousand sidefaces, so they must be fairly hard to get ).

The first two seem possible RO cancels while the others are just manuscript dates:

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Tony

Interesting Tony how stamps become available as I have thousands and thousands of sidefaces fiscally used. Unfortunately I haven't been able to identify any genuine manuscript cancels

Ron,

that's the 2nd. Glass House Mountains mss. I have seen. The other is on a postcard with the Receiving Office spelt out over the stamps.

If you do not want it you know my postal address,

David B.

Further to my query on all the Maryborough cancellations, I suggested that it may have been used the same way private perfins were used later and asked if anyone knew when private perfins were first introduced into Queensland. Campbell in his Queensland Postal History book has a list of private perfins with their date of introduction and the earliest is 5 October 1889 followed by 29 March 1895. So it looks like my hunch is still valid, that these were a form of private perfins before the widespread official usage of private perfins

I have these two interesting ones. The first says The Australian Newspaper in manuscript and then cancelled at the GPO in Brisbane. The second says Moreton (?)Mail [something] mail manuscript cancel and the a Brisbane GPO cancel. I would be interested in your thoughts and are you able to decipher the third word?

Jeremy,

they are not Receiving Office marks, they are Newspaper markings. I have never heard of any Receiving Offices that were cancelled on arrival in Brisbane.

I can't decipher the missing word but it must be an abbreviation,

David B.

Thanks David. Do you know why they had newspaper markings in the first place? Why didn't they just use the stamps like normal mail and have them cancelled when they sent them out rather then wait until they arrived at the the GPO in Brisbane? The other thing that confuses me is why they didn't use newspaper stamps, or was that only if the newspapers went by rail?

Thanks again, Jeremy

I looked up the Moreton Mail. It was a newspaper in Sandgate, Brisbane first issued on 9 January 1886 and from 1890 was known as the Moreton Mail and South Brisbane Times after incorporating the Enoggera, Toombul and Shire express in1889 and the South Brisbane times in 1889. It ceased publication in August 1899. Doesn't appear to help with the abbreviation though

Sandafayre are auctioning this lot:
http://www.sandafayre.com/itemdetails.aspx?s=490186&return=true
AUSTRALIAN STATES - QUEENSLAND Late 19th century/early 20th century collection of MOUNT LARCOM MANUSCRIPT POSTMARKS on QV 1d & 2d stamps. Includes fully dated "Mt Larcom" manuscript cancels across 1d & 2d pairs; a "Cania" manuscript cancel; etc. Interesting group! (17 items, 22 stamps)

Auction is on 11 September 2012 estimated price is 120 to 140 pounds

Jeremy,

I seem to remember these being on sale a few years ago.


Mt. Larcomb is the commonest mss., Cania is scarce but obtainable. The second one is interesting but looks unidentifiable,

David B.

Not a manuscript cancel but I am interested in if anyone can decipher the writing and the story behind it. Is it a pre-perfin example of writing the company name on the stamps to stop them being stolen? The bottom line I think says Company Limited. The cancellation is Brisbane GPO and it is the largest used 1 shilling block (SG 174 pale mauve) that I am aware of.

Finally found a real MSS cancel:

"Cania" with Gladstone CDS on piece from a Tattersalls cover:

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Tony

Hello to you all ,

I have on here also that I don`t have a clue about and is canceled 148 Bundaberg with a hand written Moorland over the top.
Is Moorland or was Moorland a Receiving office ??? and why the two cancels ???.



Regards

C . P .

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compound,

nice find,

Moorland is one of the difficult offices to find.

The Receiving Office opened at the Railway Station on July 1st. 1892 and was upgraded to a full Post Office in 1927.

David B.

Hello ,

Now this one is real long shot all it say`s is Cancelled but you never know some one may have the same on a tied envelope , see what happens .



Regards
C . P .

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compound,

sorry, it's a fiscal cancel,

David B.

Thank you David B , but it`s worth asking the question .

Regards
David

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yes Compound in this case cancelled really does mean fiscally cancelled . It is a type 2, which can be distinguished by the H of Shilling toucing the oval and the top of the I of Shilling extending into the oval.

Compound,

I have only ever seen or heard of 1/2d., 1d. & 2d. Receiving Office usages although there could be higher values exist I doubt it,

David B.

Good Morning all,

Thank you for that Jeremy and I noticed also the first L of Shilling also touches the outer circle and has a worm hanging off the second E of QUEENSLAND don`t know if there also consistent .

David thanks for that information I will write in my Qld N.C book , as soon as I remember where I put it .

Thank You

C . P .
David

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Hi Jeremy et al,

Jermey said to post my cover on this thread to see what people thought....

I do have a nice manuscript cover from QLD too from Mitchell Downs (one of only 3 covers that I possess in total, I think), rated RRRRR as well... a bit tatty, I know, but a good piece nonetheless, I hope...do you know much background about this manuscript cancel?





Thanks for your inputs....

wilbaer,

as I stated on the other thread, it was an emergency usage whilst the numeral cancel was unavailable.

I have seen similar covers being offered around $400 with no takers,

David B.

thanks David - I saw your reply too late on the othe thread after I'd re-posted this here. Sorry for the confustion, folks !

What is the chance that this is a manuscript cancellation for numeral 227 (Rocklea, 8km south of the Brisbane GPO)? The cancel is, I think, Jondawaie (48 km north north west of Dalby) dated 23 November 1901. So it is unlikely. What could the 227 have stood for?







Thanks

Jeremy