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My mother taught me to APPRECIATE A JOB WELL DONE:
"If you're going to kill each other, do it outside - I've just finished cleaning."

- TIME TRAVEL:
"If you don't straighten up, I'm gonna knock you into next week."

- LOGIC:
"Because I said so, that's why."

- IRONY:
"Stop crying, or I'll give you something to cry about."

- the science of OSMOSIS:
"Shut your mouth and eat your dinner."

- CONTORTIONISM:
"Will you look at the dirt on the back of your neck."

- STAMINA:
"You'll sit there until all those Brussel Sprouts are eaten."

- METEOROLOGY:
"It looks like a tornado has gone through your room."

- solving PHYSICS PROBLEMS:
"If I yelled because I saw a meteor coming toward you, would you listen then?."

- the CIRCLE OF LIFE:
"I brought you into this world, and I can take you out."

-HYPOCRISY:
"If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times - don't exaggerate."

- BEHAVIOUR MODIFICATION:
"Stop acting like your father."

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(An expert is one who knows more and more, about less and less, until they know absolutely everything about nothing at all)

RELIGION: "Do as I say, not as I do"

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Driving; If you don't like the way I drive then stay off the footpath !!!!!!

Your Mother would likely be serving 10 years behind bars for 'child abuse' if she did that today!

(Mine would have got 20. )

No wonder most of the kids of today have no respect or discipline & are so lazy, I think the '70's was the last decade when a kid could be a kid..............................

I was listening to a radio article (is there such a thing????) today, and the comment was made that attitudes toward freedom for children have changed somewhat in the last twenty years or so.

There was a time when kids were NOT encouraged to stay inside all day, and parents DID NOT wrap them up in cotton wool (incidentally, preventing said kids from learning about taking responsibility for their own actions).

For those of us young enough to remember the sixties, our parents were obviously cruel, uncaring, and thoughtless.

Climbing trees; billy-cart races in home-made carts (I could never get my wheels to stay on); collecting beer-bottles from the race-track (and occasionally sampling the slops - sshh!!!) for the tuppence-ha'penny per dozen you could get; going fishing for the day - WITHOUT PARENTAL SUPERVISION!! - or swimming; or.......

Seems to me the true meaning of "child abuse" lay in not letting kids BE kids. How else are they going to learn to mature?

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Remember when someone who wasn't your parent could see you doing something wrong and chastise you for it? Oh......that was s-o-o-o-o-o terrible....... You'd be risking being labelled a predator to try that nowadays.

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Yes, unfortunately all the powers are in the kids hands nowadays............

and they are not equipped to handle it, exacerbating the problem...

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When I was an active parent I encouraged the rug-rats to get out of the house.

There was never an argument (from them) about the boundaries set for them, although - even then - the boundaries were perceived to be TOO generous, in a town setting, by many.

And of the censorous - many of THEM were very happy to allow their kids to be 'latch-key' children, and didn't see their own kids for more than an hour a day.

- HYPOCRISY:
"Do as I say - not as I do"



WHO put the power there?

uncadonego wrote:

"and they are not equipped to handle it, exacerbating the problem..."



Anyone who has had kids knows that if you give 'em half an inch - they'll take a mile and ten years off your life

Discipline is NOT child abuse - the do-gooders seem to be as big in the air-dreaming department as some of our ebay mates.

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I always told my wife: "I don't care about Children's Aid, my kids are going to be POLITE!"

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When I was a kid (in the 1940's) I was never "abused" in the modern sense of the word. I wasn't spanked, yelled at, nor physically punished. All my parents had to do was look at me a certain way.

If I wanted to do something I shouldn't (like knock Billy's teeth out of his stupid face) I was simply told "we don't do that!" I believed it.

That wasn't the way we behaved. The absolute worst thing that could EVER happen was if my mother (or father) said they were disappointed in me.

Around 1943 my next door neighbor's son, who was a sailor (in a really great uniform!) came over to our house and told me what a fine lad I was! I was the nicest kid in town for about a week!!

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I never had the patience to deal with having one but of course they will push the limits at any chance, children up to a certain age are still developing their own moral compass. They are basically just miniature sociopaths.

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Well, they are still free moral agents, but up to a point, this is true. "Children learn what they live" does hold true, but some people just choose on their own not to be good.

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A few summers ago I told a young girl in our condo that she didn't need to ride her bike all over the lawn. Sure enough her dad called the cops on me instead of dealing with the matter of his poor supervision himself.

How stupid. People think their kids can do no wrong.

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aj power,

How are you. I have four Grandchildren, boys, under 12. I've asked ALL the local Parents/Adults to Discipline/Chastise them if they are doing anything wrong or dangerous. We do NOT want them to grow up being the local Hooligans/Thugs bringing Embarrassment/Trouble to the family. There are some very Shallow parents around that won't allow anyone to Correct their children when doing wrong.
People we knew, are School Teachers, and No-one was allowed to say a word to their Mischievous, out of control child. He is now in a Queensland Jail for Killing a man.

Bingo. Children need to have authority with TEETH. If not, the may eventually find to their surprise that society has very, very sharp teeth.

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My Mum always said

Never judge a book by it's cover.

Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

Never make money the be all and end all of life.

Treat people as you wish to be treated.

Be loyal.

Never feel guilty about receiving your pay, so make sure you do an honest days work for an honest days pay.

Never let a person leave your home hungry.

Finally, be good to your mother!

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My mother always used to say: "you don't live in a tent, so close the door!"

And yes - I highly agree that kids ought to be able to play with capguns, get dirty and climb trees. That's what they're made for, before they become boring like the oldies who just sit around at the dinner table for hours on end gas bagging!

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from both ends....

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There are known knowns; there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns; that is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns; there are things we do not know we don't know." — United States Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld



For a cannibal that would become "Never let a person leave your home, and you will never be hungry".

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My mother came out to visit me in Aus from England a few years ago at the ripe old age of 78. Sitting in a restaurant I made the mistake of tilting my chair back on two legs. Seconds later I got a stinging whack on the back of the head from mum with the comment "Sit up straight!" My wife and grown up children are still laughing.....

Found this topic and couldn't help but reply. My 2 brothers, sister and I were 'allowed' to roam free! Spent many pleasant hours exploring woods,riding bikes and just playing but heaven help you if you were home past 6pm!! Manners were the order of the day. Please and thank you were an essential part of the English language! Friends of the parents were called Aunt or Uncle (depending on how close a friend!) and anyone else was always referred to as Mr or Mrs. No exceptions! Boundaries were set and there was no negotiation about them. You got into trouble...as kids do...you paid the price! A smack was given when needed but not excessive...enough to make you sit up (or not be able to sit down) and take notice. My 5 girls were brought up with the same rules...no matter how hard they tried to get around them and believe me they did....because "everyone at school was allowed to do that why can't we"??? "Want to go to a party?" I have to meet the parents first. Worst mother in history..how embarassing! Didn't budge..met a lot of lovely people that way and at least, I was sure the girls were being supervised properly. Now, we have 12 grandkids and they are well behaved...most of the time, that we see them! They all live so far away now! Our girls have brought up their kids with the same rules as they had (you know, the rules they hated!!) Today, so many parents don't enforce the rules .. not so much enforce as stick to the rules so the kids have boundaries they can live by. It can make all the difference. Say NO and mean it. Don't budge. Your child will not die because you say NO. And please teach them manners. See it so often..they come into the shop and slap their money down and say..want $2.00 of chips. I love it and just say...pardon? They ask again and I say..pardon? and on it goes until one of their savvy mates says in a hushed voice...say please! So they do (like it's another language!) and I say great will that be with chicken salt? and they say yeah...and I'll give them the look...and belatedly they say please. And I hold on to the parcel tightly until they say thank you!!! Do you know, I have no problem with manners from any of those children now!?! They always remember to say please and thank you. Such a small gesture don't you think?
Discipline,guidance, manners and boundaries are the key. Misguided pampering is not good for the kids. Failure at times is good for them. It makes them strive harder next time. It's not that hard..and remember you're bringing up the next generation of Australians.

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Hutch, by a strange coincidence I was with of a gaggle of sheilas this morning talking about kids - and the saddest thing I heard was from one mum who has allowed her 2 y.o. to rule the house.

Her parenting 'skills' can't cope with someone who has a stronger will than she has, and it's making family life a misery. Unless the parents learn to stand up and fly straight, I shudder to think what this toddler will be like in 10-12 years time.

Discipline does not mean belting the living [expletive deleted] out of kids - it's about teaching them respect, both for themselves and the world around them. When I mentioned this old-fashioned idea to the mum already mentioned, she looked at me as though I was an alien life-form.

Sadly, the abrogation of parenting duties - either to child-care centres, or to drugs (the little darling has ADHD, or some other "treatable" problem) - is already showing results in this generation.

And while everyone is busy sharpening the knives - yes, there are overly-active children who won't sit quietly 10 hours a day watching t.v.; yes, there are intelligent children who get bored (therefore, destructive) very quickly; yes, there are children who need a firmer discipline and clearer boundaries than they are receiving now.

To paraphrase an old quote - "you need a license to own a dog, but any a***-hole can become a parent". Progress is a wonderful thing

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Hi mcgooley, how true is that. It is sad when parents can blame everyone but themselves for their childs misbehaviour and put the responsibility for childrearing on to teachers etc. It is a sad reflection of our times. Progress? Not sure about that!
Maybe the parents need parenting classes..but the ones who need it wouldn't go would they!?

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My mom taught me never to doubt what she said not to do, because if I did what she said not to usually what she said would happen would happen, even to this day (I am 44) she is still correct, damn.

It comes back to haunt you doesn't it douglas 5102?
Same here!!!

If todays parents (meaning the young ? ones!) had been brought up the same as our generation, the kids today might be a bit more respectful and better mannered! Not all of them, but peoples attitudes have changed dramatically over the last 10-15 years.

My husband does security (over 26 years) and he has noticed a dramatic change in people's attitudes, behaviour and respect over that time.

There was obviously a gap somewhere with kids missing out on basic manners and respect! Probably that typical comment we all made as kids in our generation... if I have kids, I'm never going to make them......... and some of them followed through with it!

Myself, I would have second thoughts about allowing my kids now (all adults now with kids of their own) roaming the streets as I did when a child...only because of all the weirdos out there! There were drug users then...we're talking about the 60's!...but not like there is now, with more and more people turning to drugs just to get them through each day! Scary stuff!

Where does it stop?! Hopefully with the next generation who will realise that things are not good! A return to basic manners and respect.

Can't tell me that a clip on the backside ever hurt anyone!!!

Abuse is one thing! And should be reported and dealt with! Discipline is another matter all together and needs to be re-inforced!

And don't get me started on parents who rely on teachers to teach their kids how to behave! That is the PARENTS job! They are responsible for their childrens "misbehaviour" and should be accountable! And the kids should have at the least, a basic understanding in respect, manners and good behaviour "before" they start school!

Enough ranting. It is one subject, that I can get very 'hot under the collar' about!

I really do love all the old sayings that "Grandma" used to come out with! How true were they all!!!!! Anne

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I am having fun collecting WW and Indian States.

As a child of the war, I did no know my poarents brought up by my Gran she took no nonsense but never used brute force.
The behavior of children was in the community if you misbehaved vyou were told by who ever was there.
You saw the village bobby daily with his bike now you never see one at all.
The difference was the separation of families because of work and war so the system of family support was lost.
But it is changing now the older generation do a lot of caring of the young and old as the economic situation changes rapidly mor children with their families are moving in with the parents.
The gap between my Gran and me was small we both knew about having nothing, but the gap between me and my children and grandchildren is huge they dont understand any of this.

Interesting discussion about manners.

I have worked for many years in public and university libraries and so have dealt extensively with young people and on the whole I've found kids to be respectful and polite over those thirty years. Of course there are a few exceptions but they stand out because they are so out of the ordinary.

Maybe its the aura of the library that brings out the best in them

My Mum would threaten to give us a "lifter" and when she gave you got one it would lift you off the floor. A lifter was a soccer kick to the backside. It never hurt, but she could lift you off the ground.

My kids learned to fear the belt just as I did from my dad. Usually just a minor swat so they know what they did was wrong, the next time, just show them the belt, they remember the swat and straighten up pretty quick. Thank you and Please were the two most important parts of any verbal exchange that were required along with Mr. or Mrs. so and so. Now they have to teach their children.

Does any remember the curfew times: when street lights come on, you are home or in trouble?

Ah, for the days to be young and energetic!

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Yep, streetlights were the signal for most kids in my neighbourhood too.

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My mother taught me to make the best "Aberdeen Sausage"

Bit of work, but good hot, better as cold meat the next day...

Ingredients

500g minced beef
60g of bacon rashers
1/2 cup coarse breadcrumbs (2 slices of stale bread, crumbled)
1 tablespoon of plain flour
1 tablespoon of Worcestershire sauce
1 egg
salt and pepper to taste
1/2 cup of toasted breadcrumbs (place on a tray in the oven for a few minutes til golden)

Method

Chop the bacon into very small pieces, to match the minced beef. In a bowl, mix together the mince, bacon, breadcrumbs, salt and pepper, flour, sauce and egg. Mix together well and form into a 'sausage' shape.

Cut a piece of clean cloth (calico or cotton lawn), about 30cm x 20cm. Bring a pot of water to the boil.

Use tongs to dip the cloth into the boiling water and carefully wring it out. Lay the cloth on a benchtop and sprinkle it with plain flour, rubbing it into the cloth then shaking off the excess (like you'd do for an old-fashioned Christmas Pudding!)

Sit the sausage in the centre and bring the long edges of the cloth together, rolling them tightly down til you touch the sausage.

Twist the ends, tying them with string to keep the sausage secure in its wrapper. Lower it gently into the simmering water and cook for 2 hours.

Remove sausage from water, unwrap and discard the cloth (unless you want to make another one, in which case, wash the cloth out thoroughly and air dry it). Roll the sausage in the toasted breadcrumbs and slice thickly..

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