Show your Australia Pre-Decimal stamps on Commercial Covers

manfaefife · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 18:46:04 pm

Fairly ordinary cover, but hey ho it's pre-decimal.

manfaefife · **Posted:** Sat May 19, 2012 10:07:01 am

This one's from Homebush to Forfar in Scotland.

manfaefife · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2012 18:18:06 pm

Picked this up in a cheap box at a fair. Does it have any merit or should I have left it in the box ?

manfaefife · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2012 22:56:20 pm

And one addressed to Consul General Sao Paulo, Brazil and re-directed to Manilla, cover is from Greenmount Hill, WA

norvic · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2012 23:08:39 pm

Are there any postal markings to suggest that it was redirected by post?

With such a brief address it may well have been forwarded by diplomatic bag.

manfaefife · **Posted:** Tue May 22, 2012 04:29:00 am

As you can see there is a Foreign Office Oval handstamp on the reverse, but I can't make out what the wording is at the bottom of the oval.

Looks like Sept 53 on the postmark so it's taken a while to get wherever the backstamp came from.

Staples · **Posted:** Tue May 29, 2012 21:17:27 pm

Hi All,

I picked this one up the other day.

I'm trying to work out if it is paying the correct rate. Can anyone help?

Thanks Staples.

estonia1991 · **Posted:** Thu Jun 07, 2012 08:24:10 am

Been following this thread for a while, here is my small contribution, the first cover from May 1964 to Czechoslovakia is my favourite.

torstenweller · **Posted:** Fri Jun 08, 2012 16:18:35 pm

Here are a few new items that caught my eye -

Australia 1940 (Feb) cover sent to USA with single franking KGVI 2d red (die 2) tied WINDSOR / N.S.W datestamp underpaying 3d foreign letter rate and taxed with local MORE TO PAY cachet endorsed "2d" and Sydney red shield "N.S.W. / T / 16 2/3" cachet for double 1d deficiency (at 1d = 8 2/3 centimes), censored with Sydney tape and cachet, on arrival violet "POSTAGE DUE 4 CENTS / SEATTLE, WASH." cachet on face and pre-cancelled USA Postage Dues 2c red pair affixed

Australia 1947 (Jan) cover sent airmail to Germany from internee Hans Daniels at Tatura, Vic Prisoner of War Camp with single franking 1/- Mitchell Centenary tied Melbourne trip cancel paying reduced POW airmail rate, large violet boxed SERVICES OF / PRISONERS / OF WAR and "Approved for Transmission / By Camp Commandant / 1 No.18" cachets on face

Australia 1964 (Feb) cover sent to Melbourne with single franking 5d Christmas 1963 tied MYRTLEFORD / VIC datestamp underpaying the 8d rate for a standard-size letter weighing over 1oz and up to 2oz, taxed with oval "T 6d" cachet applied locally on face for double deficiency and 6d Anteater affixed tied ELIZABETH ST. P.O. / PBR / MELBOURNE C1 [Private Box Room] datestamp to pay postage due [the use of Australian Postage Due stamps was discontinued on 31 January 1963 and thereafter ordinary postage stamps were used to indicate payment of postage due]

Australia 1965 (Nov) Department of Agriculture, Perth OHMS long cover sent airmail to Port Hedland, WA with single franking 5d Christmas 1965 tied Perth datestamp underpaying the 1/11d rate for a standard-size airmail letter weighing up to 3oz, taxed with manuscript "T 3/-" in pencil on face for double deficiency and Birds 3/- Ibis affixed tied PT HEDLAND / WEST-AUST datestamp to pay postage due

Australia 1966 (22 Feb) QE2 5d blue embossed envelope sent surface mail to USA with QE2 3c green added mixed pre-decimal / decimal franking tied ISLAND BEND / NSW-AUST datestamp paying 7c foreign surface letter rate [the conversion rate was 1c = 1.2d so that 5d = 4c; pre-decimal stamps remained valid for use until 14 February 1968; Island Bend was a construction township on the Snowy Mountains Hydro-Electric Scheme]

These items are available in our Postal History Auction 11 featuring 300+ lots of Australian and Pacific Postal History including material from Australia (KGVI and QE2 Pre-Decimal and Decimal), Christmas Island, Cocos Island, Nauru, Norfolk Island, and Papua & New Guinea. Auction 11 is now available on our auction website http://www.torstenweller.com/auctions and closes on Tuesday 19 June 2012.

KGVI · **Posted:** Sun Jun 17, 2012 02:56:27 am

I’ve enjoyed reading this thread. My interest is growing in this area, but I am on the learning curve, so any comment would be greatly appreciated.

For my first real post let me put up a cover and its contents that I found in a bric-a-brac shop down the road recently. I paid $5.00 for it.

Posted in Perth and received in Guildford on the same day (27 February, 1900), it contained a Statement of Accounts to the Rev Sadler for rent collected on four properties in Perth. The good Reverend received 12 pounds 1 shilling for the month of January, while the agent seems to have had a Commission of 13 shillings (about 5%) for his effort. The agent was a bit slow in getting his money to him it would seem. Some things never change (although the Commission seems to be very modest by today's level).

I think that tracking down more detail on the people mentioned in this exchange might add a bit of extra interest to it. Does anybody have any favourite examples that they can refer me to as a guide?

KGVI

Sark · **Posted:** Sun Jun 24, 2012 04:06:19 am

I can understand the attraction of Solo Frankings but those who only collect “Solo’s” I think miss out. Multi franked covers have a beauty all of their own. These three 6/- Airmail Rate covers to the USA help demonstrate the point. Same rate same destination but three different sets of frankings.

Sark · **Posted:** Sun Jun 24, 2012 04:47:52 am

Registered Air Mail to the UK 8s9d rate.

Kiwidude · **Posted:** Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:35:28 am

Hi Sark,

I guess it's to late to turn those last 2 items you posted around?

It makes to so hard to see.

Peter

manfaefife · **Posted:** Sun Jun 24, 2012 15:42:11 pm

Here they are Peter

Sark · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2012 01:50:12 am

Thanks Donald

Kiwidude · **Posted:** Mon Jun 25, 2012 19:53:21 pm

Cheers for that.Saves the neck. :lol:

Global Administrator · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2012 00:24:18 am

What is this folks - sun fade? One for the next junk box I guess?

PeterS · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2012 09:30:46 am

You can put it in my junk box, if you like Glen.

Global Administrator · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2012 14:48:56 pm

On reflection it is pretty creased, so why bother? :mrgreen:

PeterS · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2012 15:33:55 pm

Glen, I am just trying to help you out. You really don't want a crappy old envelope like that around and I am sure you would be embarrassed to sell it. So, just send it to me and I will woodchip it for you.

PeterS · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2012 15:35:24 pm

Seriously though, you obviously have it. From the scan it looks OK (considering the cancel), but you really need to see them close up to have any confidence.

Global Administrator · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2012 15:47:25 pm

My predication is the cover is worth a lot more than $5000. :idea:

Glenelg · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2012 17:31:38 pm

Glen, is that the cover that is mentioned from the upcoming auction of Hugh Morgan's collection?

As I mentioned elsewhere, I also like the inverted OS on KGV 2d red on front

Global Administrator · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2012 17:46:32 pm

This bit of tat? :mrgreen:

Glenelg · **Posted:** Fri Jul 13, 2012 17:55:01 pm

Your right. It's all stained. Think I better forget about it :lol:

Any idea or thoughts on possible worth of those couple of grubby items? Perhaps Rod Perry might have an idea?

PeterS · **Posted:** Sun Jul 15, 2012 15:55:21 pm

Global Administrator wrote:

My predication is the cover is worth a lot more than $5000. :idea:

It is probably unique.

GlenStephens · **Posted:** Sun Jul 15, 2012 16:09:55 pm

PeterS wrote:

Global Administrator wrote:

My predication is the cover is worth a lot more than $5000. :idea:

It is probably unique.

"Probably??"

Definitely unique I'd say, and hence my comment on the $5000 cat price! :mrgreen:

http://www.glenstephens.com/snaugust12.html

Probably DOUBLE full ACSC invoice price is my guess. :idea:

manfaefife · **Posted:** Sun Jul 15, 2012 19:05:01 pm

Global Administrator wrote:

This bit of tat? :mrgreen:

You had me on this one, I was darkening it, lightening it, trying to convince myself the overpints were over the postmark, ah well it was fun trying to prove the experts wrong !

wam_1981 · **Posted:** Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:25:46 am

Hi all,

Just thought I'd share a few covers I've bought recently.

The first is from Sydeny to Moresby

Next is from Sydney to London via Auckland

One from Victoria to England

The last is from Melbounre to London

I don't know much when it comes to covers or their value, but these just seemed to catch my eye recently.

Will

PeterS · **Posted:** Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:15:32 am

Will, those are first flight covers and are philatelic (i.e. not commercial usage). There is a thread around somewhere, "Share your flight covers" or similar.

patg · **Posted:** Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:49:56 pm

Not as exotic as the last several posts. But a neat little cover never the less (at least I think so

)

patg

wam_1981 · **Posted:** Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:54:05 pm

Peter,

Thanks for pointing that out. Will put them in the correct topic.

Will

GlenStephens · **Posted:** Fri Sep 07, 2012 02:45:37 am

Patg ... the use of the 1/6d Galah on cover to USA was uncommon.

I listed these 3 today for $50 and it too has one.

Trio of interesting 1962/63/64 commercial covers to USA.

Attractive trio.

The 1964 Adelaide one with 6d and 1/6d Birds is most unusual, as a single 2/- Flaneel Flower was near always used - very common covers to USA.

These 2 are cat $60 on cover, as they are seldom seen.

The 1963 Melbourne stamp mix is very interesting way to make the 2/3d rate, and even 2 x 1/- Columbo plan is not common, as again a single 2/- Flannel Flower for that purpose was produced.

Debbie66 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 08, 2012 02:32:19 am

Just a few of many in my collection.

norvic · **Posted:** Sat Sep 08, 2012 02:53:23 am

Debbie66 wrote:

Just a few of many in my collection.

That address should still find Lloyds Bank which is in the Market Place, probably where it has been for decades.

Lundy · **Posted:** Sun Sep 09, 2012 07:30:53 am

Here are a few I bought today just because they seems too cheap to say no

On this one the stamp is damaged but I thought it had some real charm to it

I think this would have been a real bargain but I am guessing the tape on both sides kills any value, 10/- arms on cover

Thanks

Lundy

PeterS · **Posted:** Sun Sep 09, 2012 08:24:20 am

Is the tape over the stamp? It looks like it is under it. If so, it is a pretty nice cover and a rare solo use of the 10/-.

Lundy · **Posted:** Sun Sep 09, 2012 08:29:47 am

Hi Peter,

The tape is under the stamp so was put there before posting,

I thought it had to be worth £2 as I had not seen many on cover, I take it I got a good buy then?

I got the above plus the other pre-decimal and decimal I added for £3.30 so although I don't collect covers I just had to buy them!

Thanks

Lundy

PeterS · **Posted:** Sun Sep 09, 2012 09:32:53 am

Lundy, the 10/- on cover has got to be worth at least A$50 (around £30) any day of the week in that condition.

Global Administrator · **Posted:** Sun Sep 09, 2012 15:06:20 pm

PeterS wrote:

Lundy, the 10/- on cover has got to be worth at least A$50 (around £30) any day of the week in that condition.

Add 100% - at least.

Didge · **Posted:** Sun Sep 09, 2012 18:24:00 pm

Glens valuation is much closer to the mark. It's a scarce cover and worth at least $150 I think.

Tim

Global Administrator · **Posted:** Sun Sep 09, 2012 18:31:22 pm

I've never seen a solo franking 10/- - a VERY rare beast.

Love to know exactly what rate it was paying!

Lundy · **Posted:** Sun Sep 09, 2012 20:53:05 pm

Wow, thanks all,

I had no idea it would have that sort of value!

I will try and list it up for sale here, as it is one of the few things I don't really collect and hopefully it will find a new owner who appreciates it more.

Thanks again

Lundy

Lundy · **Posted:** Sun Sep 09, 2012 20:55:27 pm

Lundy wrote:

Hi all,

I dont really collect covers but picked this up with some others whilst it is not in great condition is the 10/- robes relatively scarce on commercial cover?

I only allowed a couple of pounds for it in my bid.

Would anybody be able to suggest a fair price for this as well?

Thanks

Lundy

Staples · **Posted:** Sun Sep 09, 2012 21:27:01 pm

Lundy,

You have definitely picked up a couple of bargains :mrgreen:

. The 10/- robes on cover has a catalogue value of $350 AUD.

Cheers

Staples

Lundy · **Posted:** Sun Sep 09, 2012 22:13:32 pm

Thanks Staples,

Again I thought it was pretty scarce but had no idea it would have had that type of value,

Unfortunately it is not perfect, as I don't collect covers I find it so difficult to put a value on these things and really appreciate help with this.

The odd cover find might subsidise some of my other collection that way.

Thanks

Lundy

aethelwulf · **Posted:** Thu Sep 20, 2012 16:50:29 pm

manfaefife wrote:

As you can see there is a Foreign Office Oval handstamp on the reverse, but I can't make out what the wording is at the bottom of the oval.

Reviving something from earlier on...

The oval cancel to me looks like PERTH at the bottom. Given that the return address (barely still) says Western Australia, that would all fit.

I'd agree with norvic, would surely have gone by diplomatic bag to Manila, as the PO would never have delivered a letter forwarded with just the name of the city applied. :idea:

alex_c_y1977 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 22, 2012 01:23:35 am

Good evening all

Finally I am back in Melbourne after spending 9 months in Europe, and have a chance to go through all my online / ebay purchases during that time. I bought quite a few covers etc (and I must say ebay is still a good place to buy covers, if you know what to look for) and below are a few better ones I have picked up.

1d red NY joined upgrading lettercard

alex_c_y1977 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 22, 2012 01:26:57 am

Parcel label franked with 3 x 4d olive small multiple perf 14 (yes i have checked the perf and the watermark

). One of these actually is BW 115(4)d Top of Crown broken.

alex_c_y1977 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 22, 2012 01:28:27 am

Another label franked with 2d brown single watermark perf OS (+ 1d green small multiple perf OS)


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