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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 07:55:32 am 
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I'm writing this as a relatively new returnee to the hobby having only taken up the mantle again three years ago. I had over the past 25 years managed to keep my GB FDC collection up to date (barring the 'specials' which I noticed RM had neglected to tell me about despite being on a 'I want everything' list) and when I took up the hobby again I resolved to get an up to date collection of everything GB. I mean how hard could that be?

So I set about filling in the gaps and soon found that 1953-1980 was no problem at all but through the 90's it got a bit more expensive. Then from 2000 onwards it got a bit more expensive again, in fact overly so. I still haven't filled in 2005-2008. But my new issues standing order with RM was going to keep me right up to date, or so I thought. Shock number one was when I got the SG One Country Pages for 2009 and found holes where I thought I had everything.

This year it's gone beyond a joke as I reckon that after the Olympics winners stamps and FDC's I will have spent over £350 GBP just to keep up with the new issues.

Now I know that RM have reduced the number of issues for 2013 and are talking about putting more 2nd class stamps in but even so it will still be over £200 GBP for the year. Now I'm not sure about you but I just can't afford that on an ongoing basis.

Talking to other collectors at shows and fairs a lot are saying that they will stop any new issues when QEII is off the throne and this seems to be a consistent theme. Is anyone else out there stopping their new issues, not just GB but anywhere in the commonwealth at the end of the reign of QEII? And any thoughts anyone on Royal Mail's ridiculous issuing policy?

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 19:10:32 pm 
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JonEboy wrote:

Talking to other collectors at shows and fairs a lot are saying that they will stop any new issues when QEII is off the throne and this seems to be a consistent theme. Is anyone else out there stopping their new issues, not just GB but anywhere in the commonwealth at the end of the reign of QEII? And any thoughts anyone on Royal Mail's ridiculous issuing policy?


That was going to be my policy as well but a couple of years ago I decided why wait! I have not regretted canceling my subscription and concentrating on the issues of the past.

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 19:24:54 pm 
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Is anyone else out there stopping their new issues, not just GB but anywhere in the commonwealth at the end of the reign of QEII?

A lot of collectors of Brit Empire stop at the end of George VI, or maybe the first few years of QEII, when stamps still looked pretty decent. Look at SG's BC (British Commonwealth) volume, they set the cut-off (generously, I'd say) at 1970.

Once finely engraved stamps went by the wayside in favour of litho or offset or what have you modern printing, printing tradition went downhill. You don't any engraved stamps from the Sand Dunes. :lol: And consider the popularity of collecting Czeslaw Slania's work, thus picking-and-choosing through the issues of Sweden et al.

If you've forecasted out the cost of keeping up with RM's output, why not quit while you're ahead. If you think the upcoming Olympics medallists issues will be excessive, don't bother with them.

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 19:30:18 pm 
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It's a hard choice isn't it? Do you join the exodus and stop buying or do you become one of the rare few who actually have the issues in later years?


I've never gone for FDC's but always get the yearly Australia Collection and the Maximum cards (they might end up a FU examples)

When you say "all the latest issues" - are you buying every combination, pack, booklet etc or just trying to keep one of each stamp?

I often think "What happen's when todays issues are 20/40 years old and no one can get them?" What might they be worth? I guess that will be countered with "No one will want them anyway!" :shock:

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Thanks all, seems like the consensus is to quit now whilst I'm ahead. The only problem then is my OCD like compulsion to have a complete set of everything... :? I have however recently taken stock of the situation and reckon that if QEII, with the best physicians in the world at her beck and call, manages to do what her mum did then RM will be bleeding me dry for another 20 years... :cry:

So end of 2012 it is then. I'm also extraordinarily unimpressed with RM's sales office in Edinburgh, not least of which because currently (all last week) when you call them and go to option 2 for sales you get a recorded voice telling you that this option is currently unavailable and it cuts you off! Must be the 'sales prevention' department....

aethewulf - quite agree about the designs, I particularly love the late George VI stamps of Barbados and although I don't actually collect them the French and French colonies stamps from this period are stunning.

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 20:31:34 pm 
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Caveat: I'm not writing as an apologist for Royal Mail's Tallents House :!:

When the announcement of the rate increase was delayed until after Ofcom had deliberated (and after the Commons Committee had hauled in Moya Greene) somebody at RM HQ (London) decided that the new stamps could not be distributed despite being all ready. This, despite the fact that the airmail rates are not, as far as I know, governed by the regulator and that the only other stamp to be issued at that time (the Large Letter Jubilee stamp) is an NVI.

Dealers normally get their stamps up to a month in advance of the date of issue, but even that didn't apply. Couple that with the unprecedented demand online and by phone for all NVIs in the month between the announcement and the implementation, and the whole operation was overwhelmed. [The Tallents House operation includes collector sales, dealer sales, online sales, sales through their eBay shop, and retail sales in that a lot of small corner shops just phone up for extra supplies and get them next day).

We didn't get the new tariff stamps until over a week after the date of issue. I didn't get the Fashion stamps until 8 days after issue, and the Flags 2 days after issue. The people I deal with are working overtime and weekends and have done for 6 weeks or more. When I spoke to them last week they didn't know how many days (if any) they would get for the 4-day holiday at the end of this week!

So it is - as usual - the management. You can use philatelic.enquiries [at] royalmail.com as well as the phone.

As for what to collect, Royal Mail recognise that some people (still) want everything, although they (still) omit some stamps from their regular/standing order system. Cases in point: (a) only the 6 Feb Jubilee MS was distributed, not the self-adhesive stamp from counter sheets; (b) the Flag Post & Go stamp is not in the SO but the Pigs Sheep and Birds were. And of course 'visible change' doesn't mean changes to the 'invisble' security overprint.

Having recognised that completist collectors still exist RM decided 3-4 years ago that they were concentrating on niche/specialist collectors, and so there was the Kings & Queens series, the 'Species in Danger' series, and now the Railway series. They hope that by hooking collectors to those issues they may also attract them to other issues.

So the answer is either to stop altogether, or to stick to certain parts of the programme - perhaps only definitives or particular special issues. What causes most trouble is using preprinted album pages. They vary between producers so no one will be 'correct' or complete. What Royal Mail identify as different will not be the same as album and catalogue producers Lighthouse, Davo, SG, Michel, Scott regard is different and each of those will be different from the others.

You will find that gap-filling has become more expensive in recent years because dealers have stopped stocking new issues. Certainly when I've sold out of an issue, it's sold out, and for the last couple of years I have bought stock only for 2 new issue customers and - quite unnecessarily! - for use as postage.

But if I can help your gap-filling (mint or FDC) do send me a mail through the email button).

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Is it just me that thinks that if there was only one "L", it would be the most ironically named building of all time :?:


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Hi Ian,

Thanks for the explanation - I now appreciate the difficulties under which they are operating. I was trying to order the Flags stamp and more importantly the FDC but couldn't get through on the phone and the deadline was approaching. In the end I ordered online and am hoping that they will fulfil it.

Will email you separately as it's worth chatting about filling the gaps!

Thanks

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Is it just me that thinks that if there was only one "L", it would be the most ironically named building of all time :?:

Now this will appeal to you even more, as the building in Edinburgh was named after....

"Sir Stephen Tallents the innovative public relations man responsible for creating the GPO Film Unit, establishing poster design as an important part of the Post Office’s marketing activities and introducing the Valentines telegram (among other things)." (my emphasis).

I wonder what he would think of PR in Royal Mail? He would probably deplore the lowering of standards achieved partly by new technology and by contracting out. Take a look at this press release, a sample of which is shown below:
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Royal Mail marks Diamond Jubilee with eight individual new portrait stamps
24th May 2012

• The set of eight individual royal portraits of her majesty the queen marks the 60th anniversary of her accession to the throne in 1952
• The diamond jubilee special stamps will launch on 31 may 2012 and will be available in all post office branches. The stamps can also be bought at http://www.royalmail.com for one year

A recent article in the staff magazine 'Courier' was about correct accounting for mail posted under contract with PPIs (Postage Paid Impressions). The headline had PPIs, the article had that expanded to 'Payment Protection Insurance' :roll: :roll: (the subject of much discussion over mis-selling, but by retailers and banks, nothing to do with Royal Mail. Needless to say, the magazine is outsourced.

There is a lot of talent at Tallents House, it's Freeling House where the problems originate, I suspect. (Freeling was secretary to the post in 1798 and introduced many of the Penny Posts.)

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I have not collected many GB issues post 2000, but done as Norvic suggests, and simply accumulated what I like the look of (mostly birds and some of the animal stamps).

As for the rest, I only usually buy special issue stamps to pay for postage. It still comes as a bit of a surprise as to how many folk say things like "That was a nice stamp you put on that envelope" or "I didn't realise that you still got special stamps other than at Christmas"etc.

We can moan about RM as much as we want, but it would not have the issuing policy it does, unless it generated sufficient income. Stick the stamps on envelopes, don't worry about filling up the hingeless pages in a DAVO album, and who knows maybe more folk would be interested in the hobby.


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Personally, I think collecting new issues for most countries (including GB) is a mug's game. There's no challenge to it, they issue far too many, and they will be a terrible investment.

I stopped buying the latest mint stamps to collect when I was 13. And I've always thought that FDCs were an even worse thing to collect.

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It still comes as a bit of a surprise as to how many folk say things like "That was a nice stamp you put on that envelope" or "I didn't realise that you still got special stamps other than at Christmas"etc.
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Stick the stamps on envelopes, don't worry about filling up the hingeless pages in a DAVO album, and who knows maybe more folk would be interested in the hobby.

1. Each year I give a 48-page display to our society showing 'These you may have missed' showing as much as I can of Royal Mail's output since my previous display. It always attracts similar comments, and one year was voted the best GB display of the season!

2. I agree about albums - kick out the preprinted albums which are worse than a catalogue for dictating what people collect (they don't want blank spaces). Buy Hawid mounts and quadrille or blank pages and DIY :!:

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