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Not at all Greg, we spectators get a bit of a thrill when someone makes a good find.

Cheers,
Mark.

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Reddog aka Mark Rowen.
I have a red dog, his name is Buddy.

Saw these being offered today and was tempted to buy for stock due to the exotic destination of Halfmoon Bay Stewart Island NZ.

The population TODAY is under 400 so back then we only a few dozen people I'd guess? It was first sighted by Captain Cook so a nice obscure Cook topical I'd imagine.

http://www2.stats.govt.nz/domino/extern ... /613000-au

I grew up in remote Mount Gambier, in the far South East, and a more odd to odd origin and destination would be hard to imagine!

Assumed the Mt Gambier SC is not too hard to source, but these look like decent strikes, so still thinking about them.

I found some more SA postmarks, but no squared circles, which I thought eventually to be interesting. One is a cds "Rhine Villa DE 96", one is unframed circle "Tothill`s Belt", one is cds "Wirreanda", but there is no opening or closing date info about Wirreanda on premierpostal reference, one is cds something like "Pimp Creek" or "Pine Creek" or similar, but I couldn`t find something like that in premierpostal reference.

Thanks

Josto,

That would be PINE CREEK.

Its on the PremierPostal site under Northern Territory --> P
Which is no where near South Australia !

Pine Creek (1) TO c.1873; PO c.-/7/1874; closed 19/2/1942.
Pine Creek (2) PO c.-/3/1946.

Cheers!
Maria

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Trying to blend, trying to vibe. Trying to live just one life. Everybody's got insanities... I got a split personality.

Wirreanda postmarks are thought to have been used in the town of Cradock. They are known from May 20, 1879 to May 29, 1881, and are not so easy to find.

Pine Creek is a small town in the Northern Territory, but the postmark is surprisingly easy to find.

Rhine Villa's post office was open about 1890 to 1918 and the postmark is relatively easy to find.

Tothill's Belt was open 1871 to 1931 and is also relatively easy to find, though cancels before about 1885 are not so common.

Greg

Maria and Josto, the Northern Territory was part of South Australia from 1863 until 1911.

Greg

Greg,

Yes thats true.

But we Territorians like our Independence and prefer to ignore that fact !

No offence to South Australians whatsoever! After all, we are Territorians and not a State.

I was actually implying on the distance between both Territory and State.

We are seperated by a border, a friendly one at that. But from Pine Creek to say Adelaide its a good 2400+ kms.

Cheers!

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Trying to blend, trying to vibe. Trying to live just one life. Everybody's got insanities... I got a split personality.

Hi!

Thanks a lot!

One last one I`m not sure about is a cds "ship mail room 5" SA from FE 9 91. There is no town or something. Common?

By the way, Greg, if you`re interested in something of these squared circles I had sent you via email, just let me know and I think we could find a way!

Greetings

Josto......looks like you've found some nice scarce ones .....excellent..........hopefully some others will share theirs as well,because it's an interesting topic.

Greg are you able to give some info on these from the previous page 5

2 x Gawler Railway........Aug 22 89.......Dec 18 90
Oolarie........Sept 11 93 or 5?
Balaclava.......Jan 29 84
Cournamont ?.......Feb2? 87

Thanks to all for their assistance so far

Dieter

Myponga Jetty
I'll buy it!

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Cheers
Neville

Collector of Southern Fleurieu Peninsula postmarks and postcards etc.

Rivoli Bay North

F1 22mm 2-4-1878 to 22-8-1882

Probably rated R it continued in use when renamed Beachport 1879

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Cheers
Neville

Collector of Southern Fleurieu Peninsula postmarks and postcards etc.

No now Myponga Beach. Between Pongy resi and Carri.


PINE CREEK N.T. (1,2&3)
(1) O: /11/1873
C: ?
ReO: /7/1874
C: 19/8/1881
ReO: 1/9/1884
C: 30/9/1889

(2) O: 1875
C: 30/9/1889

(3) O: 1/10/1889
Postcode from 5777 to 5782 1971
Postcode to 0847 1/7/1988

Josto
Can you put a scan of Wirreanda up?

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Cheers
Neville

Collector of Southern Fleurieu Peninsula postmarks and postcards etc.

Is there a rating on the Myponga one Neville?............... I'm just about all done I think.........3 new ones found

still require some info on these from the previous page 5 if possible please

2 x Gawler Railway........Aug 22 89.......Dec 18 90
Oolarie........Sept 11 93 or 5?
Balaclava.......Jan 29 84
Cournamont ?.......Feb2? 87

Pongy Jetty is 4R
Still working on the rest all common apart from Oolarie me thinks

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Neville

Collector of Southern Fleurieu Peninsula postmarks and postcards etc.

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lafaronau

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lafaronau

These 3 diff images took a bit of doing,any comments would be appreciated.
Frank

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lafaronau

Sorry made a bo bo
This is the 3rd scan.

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lafaronau

Balaclava (Balaklava) SC1 - C

Cournamont F1 - 3R

Gawler Railway SC1 - C

Kalangadoo SC - C

O'lary SC1 - 4R
Oolarie SC2 - 3R
Olary SC3 - C

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Cheers
Neville

Collector of Southern Fleurieu Peninsula postmarks and postcards etc.

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Wondering about this postmark, Thanks Bill

Thank you again for your time and wisdom Neville.........it's becoming a real history lesson googling up these towns and finding out a bit of info about each one.

I would be interested to know how many different squared circle postmark towns/mail centres are thought to exist.....if such info is available.

Yours apppears to be FLORIETON,Bill......keen to see what the experts say also.......keep em coming eveyone.

Thanks for your help Dieter. You guys are doing an excellent job. I have a few more i could use help to identify.

Don't know if this is a squared circle or not.......it appears to have 2 full rings around the town........Neville

tantanoola ......year appears to be 87

Hi!

Sorry for the delay! I had some problems with the scanner! Here is the picture of the last mentioned postmarks!



Greetings

the date is inverted on this one

Cool josto......that 2nd cancel looks like it's a real good one......hope it is for you.

Dieter

So many questions! I'm just going to pick off one of them for now. Will try to get to others soon.

Florieton is known used 1890 to 1921, so yours is pretty much in the middle of the date range. Only one type and no known time codes, so no variants to collect. It's a scarce cancel and yours is a lovely clean strike.

Greg

Any clues on this one? I'm unaware of anywhere in SA ending CHTON, so I'm guessing the C is actually a G.
BROUGHTON maybe?

Cheers
Chris

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Always on the lookout for Australian pre decimal First Day Covers.

The postmark is Port Broughton type 2. Achingly common, no time codes to play with, and the 1915 postmark is in the middle of the 1905 to 1933 known usage period.

Most interesting thing about that stamp is the bottom right corner. That's platable. There are a few that jut out to the right like that. I think it is probably 6/37, though perhaps 5/54. Anyone?

Greg

After that is Mintaro Central type 1, time code 1. Very common, alas.

The 2d purple is Normansville Type 2. Scarce, but not as good as if it had really been Hermansville.

The next one, PA Railway, is an interesting find. PA stands for Port Augusta. It is a type 26, which wasn't previously recorded used before 1899. (Yours is 1897.) and that postmark is only known with gangs 4 and 6. Yours is gang 3. Tony Presgrave, do you still read this thread?

Neville, anything to add? Do you know of an even earlier Lobethal?

Cheers,

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Sorry about so many questions Greg ........a couple more for you experts to teach us about........in the above quote you mention Time codes and gangs.......the only thing I understand from those comments is that you are referring to the number above the date.......so can you please explain for simpletons like me

1.....what is a timecode?

2.....what is a gang ?

I've not looked in my books, but the compartment line suggests a right marginal unit. That makes 5/54 favourite.
Cheers
Chris

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Always on the lookout for Australian pre decimal First Day Covers.

Yes, these both refer to the number above the date in some cancels. Some post offices not only used the postmark to record which day something was processed, but also the approximate time of day (hence time code). In this era, They used code numbers to indicate the time of day. I've never seen these time codes decoded for South Australia. In some other countries this number was used to show which clerk processed the mail. I suspect this was done in some SA offices too.

A gang is a mail-sorting crew on a train. On the travelling post office cancels (TPOs), the number above the date shows which crew sorted the mail. As far as I understand it, the number often refers to which direction the train was going. (Such as towards Adelaide or away from Adelaide.) Tony Presgrave can answer this one in more detail, I suspect.

Greg

Thank you for that info Greg......it's difficult to keep up with you guys. but explanations like that at least will enable some of us to just keep you in sight.

Dieter

Following on from the three page effort I will add my bit Just to let you know I am still reading the thread.
Florieton I think is right
Uraidla
Norwood and this is an experimental type referred to as a cogwheel which predated the squared circles. My memory has it that there were only three, Adelaide, Norwood and Sandleton.
Tantanoola
Rhine Villa which became Cambrai after 1918
Wirreanda which has been commented on before I think, used at Cradock
Tothills Creek I think but again only my memory
Ship Mail Room which was at the GPO.
Pine Creek
Saddleworth
PA Railway gang 3 is something I don't recall seeing when I wrote the book. The gang numbers for PA Railway did not match any direction of travel for some reason. Usually the even numbers referred to an Up trip i.e. towards Adelaide while odd numbers were Down trips away from Adelaide.
If I am wrong with any of these I am sure Neville will put us right.
As for Time Codes, I will not get into that one at all!

Paratoo





Bundey

Yes, Paratoo and Bundey. I only have one copy of Bundey, and it isn't as nice as that one. It is only the right half of the cancel, showing DEY. It's quite a rare cancel.

Greg

Hi Greg,

It's hard, for me at least, to see a B where you see an R.
Any comment?
Cheers, Kev.

Thank you Tony........Any timeframe for the book/s at this stage?

Thank you Greg......for some reason I kept thinking it was Rundle street at first....every time I look over the cancels I find another and I've looked at them plenty,so I've actually started name tagging each one as they are identified now..... .........hopefully Neville can put a rating against the few remaining ones.

Dieter

Kev, the only post office in SA that starts RUN is Rundle Street, which that clearly isn't. The only two with UND or UNO or UNU as the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th letters are Bundaleer and Bundey. Sure looks like it has to be Bundey. A quick comparison with the Bundey in my collection shows that it is clearly the same cancel. Bingo.

For me, identifying a squared circle properly takes a copy of Martin Walker's Post Offices, Telegraph Offices and Telephone Offices of South Australia, a heavily updated and annotated copy of Rodney Overton's Catalogue of the Squared Circle Postmarks of South Australia, and a database with all of the SA post offices that were open at any point between 1882 and 1910, whether they are known to have used a squared circle or not. And my five-volume collection of the things for comparison. And a collection of scans of many of the ones not in my own collection.

Bs and Rs often resemble each other, as do Hs, Ms and Ns. And Os and Qs and Us and Ds and Cs. And so on. You can't assume that every part of every letter was properly inked (as with the B that looks like an R). And the postmark could have been used on a parcel or envelope with odd enclosures that distorted the letters. Or, as we discussed in another thread about a year ago, sometimes a postmark is hard to read because there is another one right over the top of it (which is also the case with this one, though it turned out to be another strike of the same postmark).

Greg

Neville, while we're asking you to look up your rarity rating on Bundey -- do you have a record of an 1895 date on that office? Or is this 94 strike a late date? Overton has the last date as 1891, which is clearly wrong.

Greg

I'm giving this one a bump because no-one had a go at answering it.

Greg

Sorry Greg......no luck for LAKE PLAINS at this stage......still searching though.....found a Greens Plains and a Wild Horse Plains

Dieter

Black Hill




Dowlingville



Express Railway



Rundle Street P.O.

Hi guys. I know its not squared circle but would like your opinion of this stamp please. Does 76 mean 1876? Seems early though i`m no expert. Thanks Bill

Would like any info on this one too. Cheers Bill