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Trinidad registration envelope. QV used in 1904.

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Scotsman,
Can't find anyone interested in putting up any commemorative stamps on postcards in another thread, so I'm happy to trade shots of postal stationary.
Here is an 1897 tri-color to England.

P.S.- How are things in Korea these days? I spent some time in Osan quite some time ago.

Best to all here & lets see your stamped paper.
pat

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Busan is a big, concrete jungle like most modern cities nowadays. However it is not a bad place to live and work. You can see some pics here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10958

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Here's a couple of registration envelopes for comparison.

Ref number RP1. This envelope has the 2d blue embossed stamp with 'FOR REGISTRATION ONLY' in a cartouche above it. It has a plain edge to the flap and a straight central seam. The boxed 'REGISTERED' has serif lettering ie fancy little tails at the end of the letters.



The second one is Ref number RP3. Same stamp and cartouche, but the boxed 'REGISTERED' is without serifs, or 'sans serif' as it is known. Also as you can see the flap has a scalloped edge and the central seam is serrated (although the catalogue calls it 'indented' which does not make sense to me).

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A couple of properly Ugly pieces of postal stationery:

A ¼ Anna card from Jammu & Kashmir



Not in the best of shape, but interesting for having travelled around three villages in Jammu. There were several settings of the card, distinguishable by the gradual collapse and repair of the insciption across the top.

And a ¼ Anna card from Jind



I haven't seen one of these used yet, and even mint, this type isn't so very common.

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Ahoj everyone!

Here is a German 7½pf. orange stationery card overprinted Belgien 8 Cent. during the German Occupation of Belgium during WW1.

The brown-orange of the card merges with the stamp.



Cheers,

Honza

From Bamra State in Eastern India:



This might, possibly, have actually been commercially used - an unusual find from little Bamra, where the State Post Office only operated from 1888 until 1895, and not many of the population could read and write anyway

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This isn't Postal Stationery in the normally accepted sense as it is unstamped, but there may not have been any pre-stamped stationery in Somaliland Protectorate. This was actually sent by the Telecommunications Engineer from the Post & Telegraphs Dept in Hargeisa:

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An unusual item from 1940 acquired today.





It's a reply card, sent by Lloyds Register of Shipping to a shipping company in Panama, and then forwarded to their current correct address in New York. It appears to be informing them of the total loss of one of their ships, and asks for them to reply on the attached card with details of the journey and the cargo, although as it happens they never did.

It seems to be a standard card sent out in these circumstances so the printing very likely dates from before the war, although not necessarily -- the GV cards stamped at the 1½d foreign postcard rate (applied 1920-1940) remained current until early 1940, when GVI ones became available. As most rates were increased on 1st May 1940, both halves were uprated with a (perfinned) ½d GVI adhesive to make up the new 2d rate.

Note the postmark is Wokingham -- during World War 2, the headquarters of the Register moved there from London, with only a skeleton staff remaining in Fenchurch St. It's also been censored with a label rather than just a handstamp -- unusual for a postcard, although one can imagine that news of the loss of shipping might be considered sensitive data at the time!

All in all, rather a nice and unexpected little item!

I bought this at Scottish Congress yesterday, I know the stamps are mangled but I just liked the cover at the price.

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And ditto except this was half the price shown, and I didn't have one of these.

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This USA Reply Card caught my eye as it was addressed to Perth here in Scotland, nice condition but fairly ordinary front and back.





And when I opened it up I found it fascinating - what people used back in the olden days Good condition card all the same for 1909.



Apologies to Stampboarders who read and eat at the same time !

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Five Fiji postal stationery over 100 years old.

The 2-part item is a Message-Reply card; the large double-ring cancel on the one used item is a St. Louis & Kansas City Railway receiving cancel.







I assume the "Victoria" cancel is a transit mark of Victoria, New Zealand?

If anyone has recent catalog values for these cards, I'd appreciate the information. Note the "Fidji" and "Fidgi" spellings.

Looks like Victoria / B.C. to me (British Columbia)

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I strongly considered that Victoria, but it seemed like an odd route for a U.S. cover. And I agree the letters "look" like B.C.

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I finally was able to discern a faint "Oct" on the stamp cancel, so I think that, in turn, confirms British Columbia; if it were Victoria, N.Z., it could not have traveled from N.Z. on Oct. 28 to St. Louis on Nov. 3.

Here are a couple from Jaipur, 1942 & 1948. The thing about these - and yes, I know it's 80 years - but they look really old! That chariot goes back to stamps of 1904, although the other is later. Using Gibbons stamp catalogue the overprint appears to be to reduce the value from ½ anna to ¼ anna. The stamp is pricey, I bet the postcard is not as scarce?




Oh and enquiring minds would like to know what language that script is, please?

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You're quite right, Norvic: that first card was on its last legs in 1942. It was replaced by the Maharaja's head type a year later. Here is what they did in the interim, after a postage rate rise:



You're also right about the reduction in value of the second postcard: it was devalued, from ½ to ¼ Anna. Here's the devalued stamp on a home-made card:



The language is Hindi. It's interesting to note that earlier Jaipur correspondence is mostly written in Persian. It occupied a position comparable with that of Latin and later French in Western Europe: its use indicated you were properly educated and civilised. By the 1940s, with the spread of education and the rise of nationalism, you rarely saw it used any more.

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Thanks Tony - and you of all the members must have an idea of the value?

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Yes, well, let us say belay the world cruise ... and accumulate a few dozen more of the same before you plan a short joy ride on your local public transport system

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Guessed as much

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Austrian post offices in the Levant 1881 postal card from Smyrna (Turkey) to London:

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Austrian postcard issued in 1908 to commemorate the diamond jubilee of emperor Franz Joseph I.

The front has an imprinted stamp showing Franz Joseph I in 1848 (age 18) and the word 'Jubiläumskorrespondenzkarte' [Jubilee correspondence card].

The back shows the emperor in 1908 (age 78), Schönbrunn Palace and the Michael Wing of the Hofburg Palace.
The Latin text reads: Franz Joseph I, by the grace of God, Emperor of Austria, King of Bohemia, Galicia, Illyria, etcetera and Apostolic King of Hungary.

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I've a feeling I've seen that one before in this thread - or did you already post it in another?

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I've checked this thread again and nobody posted it before me and I didn't posted it in another.

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Must have been a similar one, perhaps in the used or postcard threads. Could be anywhere!

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Time for some modern Postal stationery. Can anyone here shed light on this aerogramme? Was it sold through the counters or only as a free gift for "Royal Mail International Pen Pal Club"?

It is a great piece of postal stationery.....but I can't help thinking it was the idea behind some Monty Python cartoons 60 years later! The picture/engraving looks like it could come to life and walk away!

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Sorry...this pic for my quote above

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People's Republic of China large postal stationery envelope with London 2012 Olympics issue added



1, 4.20 and 2x2y bird definitives added on the reverse.

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From a recent trip to Japan. I bought this 3D 'Mount Fuji Map' Postcard from the Mt Fuji post office.

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There doesn't seem to be a stamp printed on it??

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Technically....there may not be a stamp per se, however in the broader scheme of things, all things considered, generally speaking, looking at it in a different light, thinking outside the box, erm...,

By the powers invested in me as the creator of this thread, I hereby issue this postcard with a 'stamp' of approval

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A Duttia State postal stationery postcard:



Not easy to find, especially used. Unfortunately, this one hasn't been cancelled, but the other side



shows it was almost certainly used. My guess: the post office didn't waste the ink on cancelling it, because it had been used, so couldn't be used again.

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Yes, it really IS me. I do actually possess something that isn't Yugoslavian

In the final quarter of the 19th century the French Telegraphs Department opened to public use a network of pneumatic tubes linking post offices in central Paris. For twice the normal postage rate a customer could have their own handwritten message sent to the addressee's nearest tube-linked PO, inside a cylinder; the cylinder would be opened and the message taken out and delivered to the house by a Telegramme Garcon: a bit slower than a directly wired telegram, but quicker than normal post.

[By the way, YES I am old enough to remember pneumatic tubes being used to carry money around large shops in the UK ]

The PO printed special postal stationery for this service - postcards, lettercards and envelopes. Provided it met the weight limit customers could use their own stationery, write PNEUMATIQUE on it and affix 30c worth of ordinary postage stamps. But that way there was more danger of its getting mixed up with the ordinary mail.

I am dealing here only with the postcards used from 1880 until WW1.

The initial rate (1879) was 50 centimes but the following year it was cut to 30. The card below was then issued. The original 50c cards had the Sage stamp design used for ordinary postal stationery, but the new one used the design which Chaplain had unsuccessfully entered for the postage stamp design contest. I presume this was to reduce the chance of items getting mixed up with other mail. Some 50c cards were used up by overprinting them Taxe Reduite 30c.

The first pneumatic system only operated in central Paris within the 'Old Fortification Wall' - basically the first 11 arrondissements which spiral out clockwise in numerical sequence from Ile de France, and are inside the line of the 17th century boundary. (I will happily accept correction from native Parisians - all this is a long way from the Slovenian border!) This fact is brought out in no fewer than 3 places on the card:

But before long they began extending the tubes to include the West Paris area out towards the Bois de Bologne in (and from here on I am being very aproximate) arrondissements 15 and 16. This was opened on 1st Feb. 1882. The PRECISE area was printed and explained on the card. The buff area in the centre is the 'Old Fortification' area, the red is the newly opened area, and the blue shading the proposed, but not yet completed further extension:

On 1st April 1883 the Northern arrondissements 17 and 18 were added:

On 1st Feb. 1884 the Eastern arrondissements 12, 19 and 20 were opened up. Again a new map card was issued, this time with only the unopened South section of arrondissements 13 and 14 (and a little bit of 15 that had been waiting all this time ) marked:

By the end of 1884 the system was complete and the previous card was overprinted Valid Throughout Paris:

The statement Valid Throughout Paris was not literally correct, and consequently early in 1885 a card was produced without the map, but clarifying in the smallprint on the left edge that it was valid only within the 'enceinte fortifiee' i.e. the early 19th century wall:

Initially these bore no date, but subsequent issues bear a three figure code in the bottom right corner consisting of the week of the year, preceded by the last digit of the year. So in this case 617 shows printing in early May 1886:

[At this point can I please repeat my plea in an as yet unanswered thread - if anyone has a list of known printers' dates for this, and other pneumatic issues, please post it here or contact me. Thanks]
1897 the Carte-Telegramme issue was repaced by one reading Carte Pneumatique, and this remained current until the postal rate finally rose to 40c on 1st Jan. 1917:

My apologies. This was true, but ONLY AFTER 1898. Before that, use of official stationery was compulsory.

Michel's Ganzsachen-Katalog Europa West 2003/04 just lists issues either with or without a printing date.

However... Ascher in Grosser Ganzsachen-Katalog published in the 1920s gives the following details for what he calls "Rohrpost" issues "Mit Druckdatum" [Pneumatic Post issues with printing date]. The catalogue numbers are those used by Ascher.

I have translated the text. The translated colours in italics are the colours of the paper.

The dates - you probably know, but others won't - are composed of three digits. The first digit is the last digit of the year, the second and third digits are the week in the year. So 808 = Eighth week of 1898 in the first example.

I have put the bits which are directly translated in red.

Envelopes:

"1898. With printing date
6. 50 (Cent.) carmine, bluishgrey, size b [145 : 85]
(808-028)
We have come across 808, 918, 919, 023, 024, 025."

1901
7. 30 c. on 50 C. carmine, bluishgrey, size b
There are three types of surcharge, which was made on envelopes number 5 (pre-dating) and number 6 (with dates).
Type Ib is surcharged on number 6
Type IIc is surcharged on number 6
Type III has no surcharges on number 6
Ascher does not give the printing dates of those surcharged - presume all or presume just the 025

No more envelopes with dates in Ascher.


Letter Cards

"1896. With printing date
12. 50 (Cent.) black, blue (620, 636).

1897. Same, with header RÉPUBLIQUE FRANÇAISE and altered text@: Carte pneumatique fermée (previously Télégramme).
13. 50 (Cent.) black, blue, DD 11½ (these are the format and perforation details)
6 line text
a) with printing date (652-803)
b) without printing date
14. 1 fr(anc) black, pink, AA 13½
(without printing date) 9 line text.
Paper colour of No. 13 light or dark. (802, 803.) We have seen: 652, 702, 752, 802, 803.

1898. 6 black lines through the text on the reverse.
15. 50 C(ent.) black, blue
a) thick lines, 98 mm long
b) thin lines, 100 mm. long
16. 1 fr. black, pink (thick lines)
No. 15 is alos found with blue pencilled lines. We have seen No. 15a with 802, 803, and Nr. 15b with 703, 803. Nr. 15a is also met without a date on the front (scarce).

1900. With altered back. Text (now five lines). In the stamp of No. 18 there is now an F instead of fr(anc).
17. 50 (Cent.) black, bluish (DD)
(918-232)
18. 1 F(rance) black, pink (AA)
There are 6 sub-types of No. 18, but none of them have printing dates.

We have seen for No. 17: Bluish 916, 917, 952, dark blue-grey 001, light grey 025, 028, 029, 128, 129, 130, 213, 214, 215, 219, 230, 231.

1901. Provisional isse. Diagonal red surcharge of the new value and TAXE RÉDUITE with or without 6 lines through the old value.

There are 8 different types of the surcharge. The 50 Centimes card was reduced to 30 Centimes, the 1 Franc to 60 Centimes. All of the old items still in stock seem to have been surcharged as items issued from 1885 through to 1900 were surcharged. The items issued before No. 12 of 1896 obviously have no dates. None of the 60 Centimes on 1 Franc cards have a date.

Ascher lists the following surcharged items of 1901 which have printing dates and which have been seen:

No. 19 is 30 Centimes on 50 Centimes with a handstamped surcharge.
No. 21 is 30 Centimes on 50 Centimes with a typographed surcharge.
(Nos. 20 and 22 are the undated 60 Centimes on 1 Franc surcharged letter cards)

19gII: 128, 129. On No. 17. Value figure 6½ mm wide, no lines through old value, text 2½ mm high.
19cIII: 803. On No. 12. Value figure 9 mm wide, lines through old value, text 2 mm high.
19dIII: 703. On 13a. Value figure 9 mm wide, lines through old value, text 2 mm high.
19gIII: 028, 029, 128, 129, 130. Value figure 9 mm wide, lines through old value, text 2 mm high.
21I: 128, 129, 130. Value figure 7 mm wide, lines through old value.
21II: 213, 214, 215, 230, 231. Value figure 9 mm wide, lines through old value.
21III: 128, 129, 130. Value figure 9 mm wide, no lines through old value.

1902. Definitive issue. Header and stamp the same colour. With sender's address text (D....12)
23. 30 (Cent.) carmine, blue (234, 235)

1902/03. Colour alteration.
24. 30 (Cent.) carmine, blue (243-619)
25. 30+30 (Cent.) carmine, light grey [No dates mentioned for No. 25.]
The card shade of No. 24 is light or dark.

1907. As letter card No. 19 (sic, but that is the provisionally surcharged card, so he possibly means No. 17...) but the text on the reverse is now 14 lines instead of 6 lines. (D ... 12.)
26. 30 (Cent.) carmine, blue, light grey (723-726)
27. 30+30 (Cent.) carmine, light grey

- New stamp: Sower on smooth ground with 14 line reverse text as Pneumatic Post Envelope No. 9.
28. 30 c(ent.) violet, bluish (733-735)

1908. Same, but reverse text 16 lines (D .... 12.)
29. 30 c(ent.) violet, blue
a) with printing date (819-926)
b) without printing date
30. 30+30 c(ent.) violet, bluish-grey
No. 29 also with the printing date 819 inverted.

1910. Same, but with a front side footnote (La remise etc), reverse with 17 line text with 26 district names. (D .... 12)
31. 30 c(ent.) violet, blue (010-026)
32. 30+30 c(ent.) violet, blue-grey

1911. Same, but reverse in smaller type, 42 district names. D
33. 30 c(ent.) violet
a) with printing date (128...)
b) (1914) without printing date
34. 30+30 c(ent.) violet, light grey
No. 33 also found with printing date 231 inverted.

1916. As before, but the reverse with 19 lines (previously 17) and tariff.
35. 30 c(ent.) violet, blue (630...)

1919. Rate rise. Stamp as in 1881. There's a picture of the Chaplain design. Reverse 19 lines with tariff.
36. 40 C(ent.) seal red, blue (918...)

1921. Further rate rise, reverse 11 lines.
37. 60 C(ent.) violet, blue (129)

This is the end of Ascher's list of Paris pneumatic post letter cards. Neither of the Marseille pneumatic post letter cards are listed with printing dates.


Postal Cards (all are on buff stock)

1896. With printing date in lower right on No. 17, in the middle on No. 18.
17. 30 (Cent.) black (616, 617)
18. 30+30 (Cent.)
a) with the same date of 618 on both cards
b) first card 617 or 618, second card 619

1897. Same, with new header RÉPUBLIQUE FRANÇAISE and altered header line: Carte pneumatique. Without date.
19. 30 (Centimes) black
20. 30+30 (Centimes) black

1897/1900. Same, now with date.
21. 30 (Centimes) black
a) Date 11 mm from PARIS (647-707)
b) Date 14 mm from PARIS (816-922)
c) Date 17 mm from PARIS (014-121)
22. 30+30 Centimes black
a) same date at bottom right (811, 812)
b) different dates at bottom right (813+812)
c) same date in centre (927)
d) different dates in centre (927+928)

These is the last of the pneumatic post postal cards listed by Ascher.

He also lists Money Order Cards of the Postal Savings Bank via the Pneumatic Post.

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locakart: Thanks a million. That is EXACTLY what I have been looking for. Yv/Tel like Michel states whether or not they are dated, but not which dates are known to exist.

I was beginning to think I'd have to compile a list from scratch; but I'm reluctant to invent the wheel if it's already out there somewhere. Now, thanks to you, I'll confine myself to the much easier task of seeing if I can extend the listing.

Thanks for the thanks

Have you come across http://www.cix.co.uk/~mhayhurst/jdhayhurst/pneumatic/book1.html

It gives a very good account of the Poste Pneumatique, including links to sections about the stationery and the cancellations.

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Yes. I read it a while ago. Unfortunately I didn't REread it until AFTER I'd written the post; it was there I noticed I'd made the embarrassing mistake corrected above.

Hi,

This envelope appears to have been a first day cover that was reused as a regular cover, but with a "CANCELLED" marking.



I have not seen something like this before and added the image here. Any help appreciated.

Best wishes,
AndrewG

Looks like a publicity sample of a pre-stamped envelope (postal stationery), as it has the first day postmark. The Cancelled rubber stamp is probably over the postmark as well. Then it's been used, with another regular postmark applied.

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Hi Norvic,

Thank you. That does make sense.

The only other time I saw a CANCELLED marking used was when postage due was mistakenly assessed. That did not seem to be the reason for this envelope.

Best wishes,
AndrewG

Only have 3 postal stationery scanned in, the last one I have about 8 unused all from the USA.

Common Victoria pre-stamped envelope uprated with ½d Victoria stamp from Bendigo to Glasgow, Scotland, with good clear Postmarks either side.

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Field Service Post Card

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To: AUSFOOU
This item was just classified as a post office special issue. These were issued to commemorate something or other, and hopefully sell as interesting items to use.
Huggins & Baker, Collect British Postal Stationery lists this item as number APS95. Issued in 1992.
Collecting UK air Letters is an interesting portion of the UK postal stationery realm. There are a lot of these to collect!

Hope this helps.

Bob

TO: asmodeus

Nice card. Have not seen one of these before. I have a small collection of "military" cards/envelopes/air letter sheets ( a subsection of my WW postal stationery collection). I do enjoy seeing items that I have only glimpsed in catalogs before. Thanks for the post.

Bob

I can't find any message from AUSFOOU on this page. if you are going to provide additional information, it would be as well to quote the original message so that we can see your contribution in context.

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This was the message. It's about halfway of this page. It was posted on 2 August.

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According to Collect British Postal Stationery these were used at the beginning of WW1. The letterpress stamp was the version used to print Stamped to Order (STO) stationery (having a dot after ONE PENNY.) although it is not known on STO postcards, only STO newspaper wrappers.

Catalogue numbers are
FCP1 with black lettering on greyish card £15 m £12.50 us

FCP2 with black lettering on bluish-grey card £30 m/us

FCP3 with red lettering on buff card £20 m £15 us.

Yours appears to be FCP1, but your scan doesn't really show the card as being 'greyish'.

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