Share Your GB with Scottish cancels Stamp and Cover Images

ScotsmanAbroad · **Posted:** Sat Jun 11, 2011 21:08:28 pm

Here are some Congress Covers

ScotsmanAbroad · **Posted:** Sat Jun 11, 2011 21:10:40 pm

Sorry I don't have a better scan of this....original back home in Kilmarnock

huanga · **Posted:** Sat Jun 11, 2011 22:58:10 pm

It's got glasgow on it therefore it must be Scottish.

This was posted in 'Blackboat' The outer Hebrides I believe.

.....and Stornoway which is also up that way. Or so I'm told?

Huanga.

asmodeus · **Posted:** Mon Jun 13, 2011 01:14:18 am

Glasgow- Paisley 1 Penny Red Plate 16

nigelc · **Posted:** Mon Jun 13, 2011 02:40:41 am

Blacksboat is in Moray on the River Spey.

manfaefife · **Posted:** Mon Jun 20, 2011 02:03:28 am

ScotsmanAbroad wrote:

I'm sure this one counts.....after all I'm Scottish and it has my name on it

Snap totally agree with you it has to be Scottish !

We have to have a Kirkcaldy cover in this thread so here is my contribution.

asmodeus · **Posted:** Thu Oct 06, 2011 21:03:51 pm

Dundee "dotted" circle. Perhaps somebody can give me more information about this cancel.

marco76uk · **Posted:** Sat Oct 08, 2011 03:43:12 am

Aberdeen 1844-style cancel, on a 2d violet-blue (thick, lavender-tinted paper)

CMJ · **Posted:** Thu Oct 13, 2011 00:31:40 am

asmodeus wrote:

Dundee "dotted" circle. Perhaps somebody can give me more information about this cancel.

I was trying to find my copy of the "Dotted Circle Postmarks of Scotland", but no sucess yet; so this answer is based soley upon my memory.

The dotted circle was only used at three towns/cities in Scotland - Dundee, Greenock and Edinburgh and was combined with the obliterator (numeral) to form a duplex for these three in about 1865/6.

Specifically for Dundee, there was also another duplex (with a solid line around the date and two horizontal bars surrounding the numeral) in use at the same time.

I will try to locate the book again, to give a better answer !

Chris.

asmodeus · **Posted:** Thu Oct 13, 2011 03:46:52 am

cmj wrote:

asmodeus wrote:

Dundee "dotted" circle. Perhaps somebody can give me more information about this cancel.

I was trying to find my copy of the "Dotted Circle Postmarks of Scotland", but no sucess yet; so this answer is based soley upon my memory.

The dotted circle was only used at three towns/cities in Scotland - Dundee, Greenock and Edinburgh and was combined with the obliterator (numeral) to form a duplex for these three in about 1865/6.

Specifically for Dundee, there was also another duplex (with a solid line around the date and two horizontal bars surrounding the numeral) in use at the same time.

I will try to locate the book again, to give a better answer !

Chris.

Thank you for your help! For me it looked so unusual- normally the dooted circles are more dots and not bars like this cancel of Dundee!

CMJ · **Posted:** Sun Oct 23, 2011 06:39:43 am

asmodeus wrote:

Thank you for your help! For me it looked so unusual- normally the dooted circles are more dots and not bars like this cancel of Dundee!

I have managed to locate the book.

You are absolutely right that the dotted circles are usually dots and this was the case for Dundee for the first four types of cancellation - in use from 1863 until 1880.

Your example is the fifth type - in use from 1881 until 1888 - and the first of three cancellations to use dashes instead of dots. It is the most common of the three types but only because of its long period of use.

It is not known for certain why dotted circles and normal solid line cancellations were used at the same time by the same offices, but it is believed that they were used to cancel mail posted in pillar boxes rather than handed in at the Post Office.

Due to this restricted use they are not as common as the normal cancellations.

Also, it is noted in the book, that the combination of a dotted circle and an international destination is very rare - only a few known. Admittedly the book was originally published in 1962 so this could easily have changed, but as far as I know it has not been updated.

Chris.

gringo · **Posted:** Sun Oct 23, 2011 09:35:15 am

asmodeus wrote:-

"Thank you for your help! For me it looked so unusual- normally the dooted circles are more dots and not bars like this cancel of Dundee!"

A very interesting thread relating to my country of heritage. Aye, and I was wondering if the 'dooted' circles are particularly rare variations. :wink:

asmodeus · **Posted:** Sun Oct 23, 2011 16:49:58 pm

cmj wrote:

asmodeus wrote:

Thank you for your help! For me it looked so unusual- normally the dooted circles are more dots and not bars like this cancel of Dundee!

I have managed to locate the book.

You are absolutely right that the dotted circles are usually dots and this was the case for Dundee for the first four types of cancellation - in use from 1863 until 1880.

Your example is the fifth type - in use from 1881 until 1888 - and the first of three cancellations to use dashes instead of dots. It is the most common of the three types but only because of its long period of use.

It is not known for certain why dotted circles and normal solid line cancellations were used at the same time by the same offices, but it is believed that they were used to cancel mail posted in pillar boxes rather than handed in at the Post Office.

Due to this restricted use they are not as common as the normal cancellations.

Also, it is noted in the book, that the combination of a dotted circle and an international destination is very rare - only a few known. Admittedly the book was originally published in 1962 so this could easily have changed, but as far as I know it has not been updated.

Chris.

Thank you very much for your help!

jjarmstrong47 · **Posted:** Sun Oct 23, 2011 22:20:51 pm

My daughter, Charlotte, has a thematic collection based around her name. Here are a couple from Edinburgh.

Front

Back

joelk · **Posted:** Sun Jan 01, 2012 16:40:26 pm

Time to update this thread. Two from Edinburgh, that I also posted in the SOTN thread:

And a little bonus, posted quite a while back in the SOTN thread as well I think:

CMJ · **Posted:** Tue Jan 03, 2012 23:00:33 pm

Here are two covers sent from Glasgow showing the transition of the cancellation from the Maltese Cross to the Barred Numeral.

The first was sent to Edinbrugh on 12 June 1844 and is cancelled with a Maltese Cross.

The second was sent to Paisley on 20 June 1844 and is cancelled with the 159 numeral of Glasgow.

The actual date of changeover for the cancellations (at Glasgow) is believed to be 19 June 1844 - there is one recorded cover of that date (sadly not in my collection) and none earlier.

Chris.

mrboggler · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2012 06:15:57 am

CMJ wrote:

asmodeus wrote:

Thank you for your help! For me it looked so unusual- normally the dooted circles are more dots and not bars like this cancel of Dundee!

I have managed to locate the book.

You are absolutely right that the dotted circles are usually dots and this was the case for Dundee for the first four types of cancellation - in use from 1863 until 1880.

Your example is the fifth type - in use from 1881 until 1888 - and the first of three cancellations to use dashes instead of dots. It is the most common of the three types but only because of its long period of use.

It is not known for certain why dotted circles and normal solid line cancellations were used at the same time by the same offices, but it is believed that they were used to cancel mail posted in pillar boxes rather than handed in at the Post Office.

Due to this restricted use they are not as common as the normal cancellations.

Also, it is noted in the book, that the combination of a dotted circle and an international destination is very rare - only a few known. Admittedly the book was originally published in 1962 so this could easily have changed, but as far as I know it has not been updated.

Chris.

Chris just to update you. The Book has been updated, in 1996.
by Richard Arundel Ltd,P.O.box 22 Woking GU 24 9SN.
But again 1996 is 16 years old already too. so check the address etc,

chipg · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2012 08:33:18 am

Instructions to the postal clerks mandated that each adhesive (stamp) was to be cancelled by an individual strike of the canceller. Multiples with fewer cancellations than adhesives are therefore cancelled "contrary to regulations." Here are two Scottish examples of such "contrary to regulations" cancellations:

chipg · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2012 08:37:13 am

...and here's a page of miscellaneous Scottish numeral cancellations. One to note is the "131" of Edinburgh. There are two varieties - one used in the city center, and one used in the outlying districts (with the "*131*").

Chip

CMJ · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2012 19:20:20 pm

mrboggler wrote:

Chris just to update you. The Book has been updated, in 1996.
by Richard Arundel Ltd,P.O.box 22 Woking GU 24 9SN.
But again 1996 is 16 years old already too. so check the address etc,

Thanks for that, although I understand that the company has not traded for many years. Occasionally some of the books are seen on eBay or on specialist lists.

The GBPS has recently reached an agreement to revise and publish some of Richard's books - they are currently working on the "Brunswick Stars" as the first one.

Chris.

vikingeck · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2012 20:04:19 pm

a bit more modern than some we have seen but nice strike on first flight cover 1934 linking Orkney-Wick- Inverness;

CMJ · **Posted:** Fri Jan 27, 2012 22:32:56 pm

Two slighly more unusual ones today, both cancelled with the * 131 * numeral cancellation for Edinburgh (outlying areas). The second one appears to be the later duplex version of the cancel.

1d red plate 154

2d blue plate 4

Chris.

asmodeus · **Posted:** Tue Jan 31, 2012 05:47:18 am

171 Haddington

Sir George Grant Suttie Baronet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant-Suttie_Baronets
http://www.balgoneestate.co.uk/history.htm

asmodeus · **Posted:** Fri Feb 10, 2012 22:12:28 pm

A few more covers- all arrived today.
Various Scots local cancels

asmodeus · **Posted:** Sat Feb 11, 2012 18:00:53 pm

Scots local cancel

rtvstamps · **Posted:** Fri Feb 24, 2012 18:51:41 pm

Nice covers friends!!!

Here one of my Covers:

Unrecorded as a blue cds by Danzig, a blue Town cds from Penrith to Carlisle, 1845

Regards!
Rodolfo

CMJ · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 22:32:23 pm

It seems that the Post Office at Wick was regularly economical when cancelling stamps. Here are two strips of four, both cancelled with just two strikes of the 339 numeral.

First, from 1d red plate 148

and, second, from 2d blue plate 3

Chris.

manfaefife · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2012 23:12:23 pm

rtvstamps wrote:

:mrgreen: Nice covers friends!!!

Here one of my Covers:

Unrecorded as a blue cds by Danzig, a blue Town cds from Penrith to Carlisle, 1845

Regards!
Rodolfo

When did Penrith and Carlisle move over the border to Scotland ? :lol:

rtvstamps · **Posted:** Wed Mar 21, 2012 15:38:56 pm

Yes, I was wrong, here are my covers:

Scott #49 Plate 9 /Sent in Feb/06/1873 from Dundee / Office #114 to Massachusetts Via Queenstown with Red Cancel.

Scott #62 Plate 13 / From Greenock to Lille, France Cancels.: “GREENOCK - E L -
JA/27/75 - 163” / Red “PD” (Postage Paid - “ANGL-28/JANV/75 - AMB.CAL.LIL.A”
Arrived Cancels: "LILLE - 1E - 28/JANV/75 - (57)"

Regards!
Rodolfo

CMJ · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2012 19:27:35 pm

Picked up at the York Stamp fair last week.

A cover sent from Dunning (Perthshire) to Edinburgh dated 3 September 1844.

The stamp (a 1d red from plate 41) is cancelled with the 120 barred numeral of Dunning - a fairly rare numeral from a village with a population (in 1846) of 1,068.

Chris.

flip138 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 02, 2012 18:35:45 pm

Quite a lot of Scottish cancels have recently been added to tallanent's "British Postmarks Database" thread (from around page 30 onwards). Some of the cancels on this thread would be good additions to the database.

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=26976&sid=39e5496ecf5dc890227c9b448ec42f3c

Phil

gillamo · **Posted:** Tue Sep 04, 2012 07:36:40 am

I see the Irish cancels thread has just been updated, so I thought I bump the Scottish thread as well

Here's one of my favourite covers - I must admit I haven't "translated" everything off the cover yet

Jack · **Posted:** Mon Jan 28, 2013 22:07:40 pm

Hi

I picked up a very nice 'Despatch Note' from Glasgow to Finland yesterday dated 15 May 1924 (with Finnish backmark of 16 May 1924.) I have a question; is the cds 'P.B.' for Packet Branch or Parcel Branch? And I'm sorry for the huge image, I've done something wrong and so will now go away and work out what I should have done....

Many thanks
Jack

goof · **Posted:** Tue Jan 29, 2013 08:13:32 am

Thought I'd add a few

Dumfries

Dunfermline to Crail in Fife

I'll post a few others later

cheers
Mick

goof · **Posted:** Tue Jan 29, 2013 08:41:25 am

Inverkeithing backstamp

Glasgow

Edinburgh & Newburgh (Fife)

One more to go when I find it
cheers
Mick

goof · **Posted:** Tue Jan 29, 2013 08:42:43 am

Last one for tonight

Inverness & Elgin

cheers
Mick

CMJ · **Posted:** Wed Feb 06, 2013 00:31:52 am

Picked up at the recent York stamp fair.

2d blue [LD-LF] strip of three, plate 4, plus [FK], on a local Glasgow parliamentary notice, dated 1 December 1852, cancelled with three black Scottish numerals (159 Glasgow).

Unusually, this notice still has all the original contents.

Chris.

chipg · **Posted:** Wed Feb 06, 2013 05:41:49 am

Nice early Parliamentary Notice.
For anyone who is not familiar with these, Parliamentary Notices were a class of registered letters sent out in bulk by Dec. 15th each year. They received special handling because of the legal importance of the contents and to keep the postal system from being clogged by them. Most provide notice to neighboring landowners of pending legislation allowing construction of railways, bridges, canals, etc. They would contain a printed copy of the proposed legislation.

Since this is the "Scottish" forum, I'll not post my English Parliamentary Notice here, but it can be seen at: http://cgpostal.com/myvictoria/parliamentary.jpg

Chip

CMJ · **Posted:** Sat May 18, 2013 00:07:38 am

Time for a bump to the Scottish thread as well.

1d red [IJ] plate 71, from Corstophine to Edinburgh, dated 4 June 1847, cancelled with a black Scottish numeral (*131* Edinburgh outlying areas)

CMJ · **Posted:** Sat May 18, 2013 00:09:35 am

1d red [KI-KL] strip of four, plate 76, cancelled with three black Scottish numerals (235 Lochmaben)


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