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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 23:04:46 pm 
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Would like some info on these stamps that are attached to an old label.

If someone could date them please and also a reason behind having to pay a duty on a bed.


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Your in trouble now you removed the label

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Hmm wonder what the punishment is?


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Wow - fascinating. Never seen anything like this :shock:

There are 3 states represented there on the stamps on that one label - Pennslylvania, Michingan (Detroit) and Indiana.

From the stitching, the label seems to have been sewn to the bed/mattress at some point.

Presumably there was a system where each state levied a duty on beds - was it restricted to hotels/hostels? Was it levied on purchase, ownwership, or transport of the bed?

I'm sure one of our American readers can fill in the gaps...


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 23:51:59 pm 
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Hi Gavin, also see an N.Y.-5 on the label with (WIS) I presume is Wisconsin and licenced in M.D. ??

I guess the good old taxman figured that there had to be a way to collect money from people having a sleep. 3 1/2 cents for every bed would have been a good money spinner in those days.


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Nice stamp! I love that kind of things.

I search the Specialised Scott, but it doesn't list local revenues. Anyway I found:

- Here it says that the stamp from Pennsylvania dates from 1930-35.

- Four stamps from 1954 in Eric Jackson site (search: "bedding"), like this:

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They sew the labels to the mattress. It's so that you can't sell a used mattress. O.K. to remove after one has purchased the mattress. I've never seen the stamps on them, but there are 1000's of revenue type stamps --- it's another whole collecting field. ( I have "beer" stamps that were attached to kegs of beer!) I'll try to look them up later today.

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Gees I thought I had seen em all.

Revenue stamps for phonograph records,matches,Cigars,Beer,cattle,swine,etc.
Must try to show this to Mr "I have Got Them All" Harry on Friday,

Thats one of the most interesting finds for a while,,

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Here in Argentina there was revenues intended for... prostitution!!
In fact they were used in health inspections and attached to a "passbook". They are rare (I dont have 'em :( ).
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Tha cancellations mean: SANA = HEALTHY, CON REGLA = WITH THE PERIOD

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So if someone started "On The Game" in Argentina and Moved to Indiana in USA, one could expect them to have collected a Few Labels,,
I wonder if the Brothels in the world. still have some sort of Label or Stamp.

Any Takers for some field trips."Just Checking out yer Pass book,and the label on the mattress "
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:D :D
By the way, I think Argentina is the only country with such kind of stamps. What an honour!
Besides, according with this seller, these stamps were used from 1890 to 1932. My investigation will be fun, but I won't found any stamp at all...

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Can we assume that stamps were not issued to male prostitutes, I think, slangily called "taxi-boys" in Argentina.

It would be extremely rare to find one cancelled "con regla".

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Some from New York

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The proofs are not common.

I thought the inspection tax stamp was to ensure the mattresses were not being stuffed with anything unsavoury. The retail purchaser was free to remove the stamp, just not the manufacturer or retailer.


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I certainly can't throw any light on these cindarellas (particularly the 'sex industry ones) but there is another possibility.

In the 1960s I worked in Local Government in a Sydney harbourside area where there were many, many boarding houses. One of the tasks of the Health Inspectors was to inspect the beds in those licenced premises to ensure they were up to standard. Oh for a return to the days of bed bugs, fleas and venerial diseases :twisted:

And I did hear some tales of couples who may or may not have had valid reasons for being in a state of undress when the doors were opened :wink:

Anyway it may, just may, be that the labels/stamps were associated with these health inspections.

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Kevin: they aren't really Cinderellas, they are Revenue stamps issued by various states in the U.S. There are specialized catalogues of these, but I don't have one (I've only got "federal" revenues, by Scott number).

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Hi stampboarders. Many many thanks for all the info about the stamps.
This place is amazing. I Don`t have a lot of reference books to use and most certainly don`t have any on bed duty stamps.
After googling FIAT LUX i found myself reading a latin translation for "let there be light" Genesis 1:3 ..... no help there.....
Now trying to figure out the images on the Detroit and Pennsylvania stamps. Will take a higher res scan and post back here. The Pen` looks like a coat of arms. Maybe from Harrisburg.
Thanks again Bill.


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The Higher resolution scan shows a nice City Of Detroit logo. Are these the ladies of a detroit bordello?
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The coat of arms on the Pennsylvania stamp is what scares me. Is that a listed watermark?? :shock: :)


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:D :D

By the way, I think Argentina is the only country with such kind of stamps. What an honour!

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Well Neveda issued Brothel/Sin Tax stamps. :)


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Hi Bill

The stamp from Pennsylvania is probably the issue from 1944 judging by the design of the eagle in the seal. The next and last printings were in 1961. There are actually about 9 or 10 diff. designs printed between the 1920's and 1961 that are very similar and each one of those designs may have upto half a dozen varieties with diff. security papers, perfs, and printing colors. In good shape it catalogs about $2.50 US, and a few dollars more on the tag. There were others that were printed in shades of orange for use on "used or re-used bedding" that are rarer and worth more.

If the one from Indiana has a CBNC imprint its from 1951, if not (I can't see an imprint in the scan) then it was printed after 1954 and depending on the roulette has a cat. value of $1.50 - $3.00 in good shape, couple dollars more on tag.

I don't have any references for municipal revenues so I can't offer any help on the Detroit one.

As a guess on my part,
the tag was something mandated by the government so the printer would have had to be licensed to print it (licensed in MD) and would have had to print it to the specs for whatever state the mattress was actually going to be manufactured in or possibly where the company's head office was located (WIS). Each state would have had their own inspections in place and would require that a stamp be attached to verify passing. If the head office was in WIS then the mattress might have been assembled in PA or the fill material might have come from a supplier in PA which would account for that revenue being attached to the tag. The warehouse or wholesaler might have been located in Indiana and the final retail store that sold the mattress was in Detroit.
Just a guess.

Do you think this company would be the same one you see the "Simmons Beauty Rest" advertisements for on the TV?

Hope that helps,
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I have some other varieties of the Argentina " prostitution" tax revenue stamps. These are quite rare I guess, I bought them at a reasonable price in mint condition.

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Does anyone collect these ?


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billlel wrote:
Hmm wonder what the punishment is?

I wouldn't worry, it's probably 5 cents.


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Mattress stamps...trying collecting those "on piece" :mrgreen:

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I have some other varieties of the Argentina " prostitution" tax revenue stamps. These are quite rare I guess, I bought them at a reasonable price in mint condition.

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Does anyone collect these ?


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Those arent prostitution revenues. They were intended for use in health products like medicine or soap. They are very common.
There are stamps with tabs atached with the names of the products; they are rare (I don't have any of them...).


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Thanks for the info..It is a learning for me then....... I went by the "health " notion...connecting it.. :roll: .anyways thanks...........


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I think you got them from Philatino, dont you? Because I remember they wrongly described them as prostitution tax stamps.
I collect revenue stamps, specially from here (Argentina). Mail me if you want to trade.

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I think you got them from Philatino, dont you? Because I remember they wrongly described them as prostitution tax stamps.


Hi Ernesto ~

I saw the same auctions on Philatino. I look there from time to time because they often seem to have good material from Argentina, though not that many revenues.

Several years ago there was a dealer from Buenos Aires who was listing similar Ley 1039 stamps (patent medicine stamps) as 'prostitution tax' stamps on eBay. I wrote pointing out the error and they replied that they weren't specialists, I was probably right, but they were going to continue listing them that way!

I guess there's more of a market for the more exotic description!

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Can anyone tell me about this stamp? It was described on eBay as a "Mexican Revenue Tax on Prostitution, 1936", but, aside from that description, I know nothing about it. The plowed-field metaphor is certainly intriguing. (The image can be clicked for a larger scan).

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I don't think this is a prostitution tax stamp, but a general federal revenue stamp. The design looks like those of the artist Eppens. It looks like a mother Earth metaphore.

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ernelopez wrote:

By the way, I think Argentina is the only country with such kind of stamps. What an honour!

Mexico had a prostitution tax stamp also. I believe there was only one. I guess Mexico wasn't as busy as Argentina. Must be the Tango. :D :D

SanitarioSteve posted before I finished!

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ernelopez wrote:
I don't think this is a prostitution tax stamp, but a general federal revenue stamp.


I agree with you, Ernesto, that this looks like a general revenue. That's why I was asking: the eBay description seems at odds with the denomination.

Thanks for the comment about Eppens. Thomas Hart Benton and Alexander Hogue were the artists that popped up in my mind.

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ernelopez wrote:
I don't think this is a prostitution tax stamp, but a general federal revenue stamp.


It looks like you're right, Ernesto.

I received an email from a fellow collector who says it's simply the 5c value from the 1936 general revenue series. So it was probably in Stevens after all, but I missed it.

On the other hand, I just found a reference to a 1984 article in The American Revenuer that seems to refer to a 1936 Mexican prostitution tax stamp. I'm awaiting a copy of the article.

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