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sukhothai. Something seems to have gotten lost along the way. I was not suggesting you do not question your goverments actions. I was pointing out that conspiracy theories, no matter what slant is put on them. Will not change facts, especially in the examples you have given.

Besides, all goverments tell lies, they could not govern otherwise. Some tell little lies, and others like the Greek goverment tell bloody big whoopers!! And there really is not a lot anyone can do to change that. The system has yet to appear that allows for a truthful goverment.

As for the watergate, Contra etc. etc. What major changes did any of them cause in your life? I ask only because as far as I know none of them had any impact on my life. My view of life remains that as long as it has little effect on me and mine, I'm quite happy.

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They didn't go to pick up some Sarin gas Peter, I think we are all well aware of that.

They told all of us, including the U.N that he had other WMDs, ALL OVER the place. Like the 'facts' about Greece having no gold and not being able to mint coins that you spouted before, do a little research before putting people down with labels and name calling.

Like you said before, you think this financial crisis won't do any real damage to the system for generations, I don't share your blind faith but I wouldn't go around calling people like Jack 'zealots' just because they don't follow your blinkered line.

And calling my life depressing because I see things a different way to you????? I think I might actually be depressed if I saw things your way, thank you very much.

Edit: I've been looking for an hour now an cannot find anywhere that says the bailout money has been paid back, links please? I find it hard to believe as Congress doesn't know where the money went.

Some here think Gold is money, some like you don't. Some think the system is failing, others like you don't. Some have NO faith in their government to do the right thing and tell the truth, others like you do. Difference of opinion and debate, leave the put downs at school.

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Then the classified truth came out through the Wikileaks affair


Ahoj Sukhotai!

Please can you or anyone else direct me to a website that publishes all the cables in the wikileaks affair as raw data without selection or comment?

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Recently found these interesting articles regarding Greece's self-reported economic numbers. A study using Benford's Law suggests Greece has been cooking its books for quite some time, especially the year before it joined the EU.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/171aaa36-d8f1-11e0-aff1-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz1XWna9dha

http://www.helixpartners.com/market-commentary/benfords-law-and-the-eurozone/

"...Greek data are further from the Benford distribution than that of any other European Union member state."

"The Czech Republic, Sweden, and the UK - all of which have no interest in joining the Euro and therefore less pressure to tweak their data - pass the Benford test particularly well."

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Greece cooked the books? Just following the lead of USA bankers....

Capitalism it's called.


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I don't think you'll find many cases, if any, of U.S. banks cooking the books. The banks took care to comply with poorly thought-out regulations, and took advantage of every legal loophole. Part of the problem stems from the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act (in 1999), which had the following effects:

"...The repeal of provisions of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits. The deregulation also removed conflict of interest prohibitions between investment bankers serving as officers of commercial banks." [Wikipedia]

In addition, the OCC has already closed 80 banks this year for failing to meet capital requirements; those banks are gone, their stockholders (if any) are toast, and assets and customers have been involuntarily dealt out to stronger banks. Once again, it is Congress that is responsible for writing the laws that keep banks in line, and repeal of Glass-Steagall is a prime example of gross mismanagement.


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U.S. banks are merging with each other to hide their derivative losses with "paper asset" bookeeping that incorrectly shows they are solvent with enough "assets" to overcome their losses. In reality, this is smoke and mirror accounting, a scam worth $Trillions. '
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In addition, the OCC has already closed 80 banks this year for failing to meet capital requirements; those banks are gone, their stockholders (if any) are toast, and assets and customers have been involuntarily dealt out to stronger banks. Once again, it is Congress that is responsible for writing the laws that keep banks in line, and repeal of Glass-Steagall is a prime example of gross mismanagement.


Doug,

How many of those closed banks were commercial or retail banks which had crossed over into investment banking since the repeal? A brief glance at the FDIC's failed banks list suggests that regional retail banks (those that did NOT jump into trading or investing) are failing. Could you explain the link between the repeal of Glass-Steagall and failed banks since 2008?

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There's no connection, and sorry if I implied a connection. Most of the closed banks are small regional banks, and they failed due to real estate problems, for the most part.

The repeal of Glass-Steagall probably only affected the top 25 banks in the country, but it allowed them to earn huge amounts of fees selling securitized concoctions, made them more leveraged than ever, and more predatory than ever.

There are already many potentially indictable cases where big banks sold a position to clients, then immediately took an offsetting position; this is a breach of fiduciary duty, but perhaps not illegal, with the result that DOJ really doesn't know how to proceed, because they have to get it right the first time.


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Edit: I've been looking for an hour now an cannot find anywhere that says the bailout money has been paid back, links please? I find it hard to believe as Congress doesn't know where the money went.

Some here think Gold is money, some like you don't. Some think the system is failing, others like you don't. Some have NO faith in their government to do the right thing and tell the truth, others like you do. Difference of opinion and debate, leave the put downs at school.


Took one Google Search to find this. Note, in particular, the Revenue to Gov't column. That is the profit the Fed made on the bailout money provided. Apart from Gov't enterprises, only AIG is still into the Gov't in a big way. All the major banks and most of teh major corporations have repaid the money they received, with substantial revenue to the Gov't;

http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/list

In Australia the Gov't extended the sovereign AAA Credit Rating by guaranteeing all money the banks borrowed, both domestically and internationally. They charged a fee for providing the guarantee and made a considerable amount of money, since the guarantee was never required to be acted on.

I find the level of 'debate' you are delivering to be particularly poor and totally coloured by your pretty obvious political viewpoint. However, you gave every right to be wrong. :D

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Jack wrote:
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U.S. banks are merging with each other to hide their derivative losses with "paper asset" bookeeping that incorrectly shows they are solvent with enough "assets" to overcome their losses. In reality, this is smoke and mirror accounting, a scam worth $Trillions. '
http://worldvisionportal.org/WVPforum/v ... .php?t=160

It's all in the eyes of the beholder.

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If you are only ever prepared to accept the reporting of websites that support your own view of the world then you are doomed to miss the reality of the world. The 'data' that website reports (and that you are basing your claims on) is 8 years old (Q3/2003)! The post you are relying on is from 2004!

Banks are not perfect, by any means, but neither are they the devil incarnate. They are commercial organisations that provide an indispensable service to economies worldwide.

As listed companies they need to make profits, they have a direct responsibility to their shareholders to do just that. Banking is also highly competitive and margins can be quite small. It is simply volume of transactions that mean that profits look so big (not that they aren't big!)

As an example, banks in Australia are paying up to 6.51% for online banking deposits and charging as low as 6.89% on mortgages, a margin of 38 points. Competition is what is driving this. If there wasn't competition then they would all be paying no more than the official interest rate (currently 4.75%) and getting nearly double that on mortgages.

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In comparison, I am earning 0.04% on my checking account, and 0.05% on my Money Market account; that's right, FAR below 1%.

Which is, of course, a NEGATIVE real interest rate. And these rates are typical in the post-TARP environment.

Retired folks who counted on income from the interest earned on Certificates of Deposit have been devastated. They are the "99%" with a long list of grievances.

That's why stamps, coins, and collectibles are of major interest; even a paltry return of 10% annually (think, starving dealers) looks mighty good.

Last week, the interest rate on 30-year home mortgages dipped briefly below 4%, lowest in more than 50 years.

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Doug, if you are silly enough to have money in a normal savings account in Australia (and many do) then the interest rate you get is about 0.1%. The bank I have my main accounts with pays 0% on transaction account balances, but 5% on savings accounts. Since I can easily switch money between the 2, instantly, I keep my money in the savings account and only transfer to the transaction account (to which my VISA card is linked) as needed.

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Also remember the official interest rate differential between Australia and the US (most of the developed world in fact). In Australia the official interest rate is 4.75%, whereas it is between 0% and 0.25% in the US.

My money market account, which is linked to my online share trading account, only pays around 3% (I think). Not that that matters, I rarely leave cash there anyway. It's really only for holding cash between share trades.

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There's no connection, and sorry if I implied a connection. Most of the closed banks are small regional banks, and they failed due to real estate problems, for the most part.

The repeal of Glass-Steagall probably only affected the top 25 banks in the country, but it allowed them to earn huge amounts of fees selling securitized concoctions, made them more leveraged than ever, and more predatory than ever.


Thanks Doug. Although there may be an indirect connection. The big banks, among others, were buyers of the securitized mortgage loans from the small lenders and thus increased demand for them. One could argue that the large increase in demand which led to riskier loans would not have occurred had Glass-Steagall not been repealed.

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"One could argue that the large increase in demand which led to riskier loans would not have occurred had Glass-Steagall not been repealed."

I think the more compelling reason was the frantic scramble to earn up-front fees, back-end fees, and processing fees; as soon as one bank plunged into that business, the others had to follow, or get left behind in the earnings race. When housing prices were rising, every month, no one cared about the fees; your "increase" in equity was bound to cover them...


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I am now making the least amount of interest on my savings than I have in a long time. Just got one of my statements the other day, it has dropped to 1.0%. It is still more than most banks pay, but I am in a credit union. The United States Postal Credit Union as matter of fact.
I keep just enough money in a community bank to pay the bills.

My 401k that I saved for 20 years is another story. I'm rich one day and poor the next, mostly poor. :lol:

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A question more intended for the members from the US and the UK although a comment from peterS would be welcome. [A diplomatic one please. :) ]

With the near zero interest rates you are getting on your dollar investment and savings at present. Would it not be better to take a risk on gold? From what I read in the US media, there appears to be no sign on any significant change in the rates in the near future. Like areas of Europe, the situtation is expected to worsen.

The UK seems to be having the same problems. Inflation on the rise, costs also on the rise, but income from all sources dropping.

The EU seems to be so full of procrastinators that a collapse of their system will overtake them as they do the one thing they appear to be good at. Photographic sittings! So although the financial news from there is a little better at the moment. Their media is not hopeful of any solution to their problems.

Something has to be better that a bank making use of your money and giving you nothing in return.

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Huanga, investing in gold is not for the faint hearted. In the last 3 months alone it has been as high as US$1,903 and ounce and as low as US$1,594. There have been fluctuations of up to $50 an ounce in one trading session in that time. Would you have picked the point to do your trades?

Gold pays no interest either but, unlike a bank deposit, has absolutely no capital guarantee. You can just as easily lose a heap as you can make it. In the current climate gold is extremely volatile and is an investment I would avoid like the plague if your appetite for risk is not very high.

There is plenty of speculation that gold is in a bubble and that it could burst. It certainly went up rather rapidly and it is hard to work out whether it is genuine demand or simply hedge funds trying to make a quick buck. Other speculation is that gold is on a long term upwards trend, in which case you can ignore the short term fluctuations, buy it and hold on.

If you are buying gold for the longer term then you would need to buy physical gold. That means you need to keep it somewhere safe and that costs money as well.

By the way, the price you will pay for physical gold is higher than the quoted market price and teh price you sell it at is lower. This reflects a handling charge and can be as high as 5% each way.

My view? If you are looking to invest for the long term then you need a mix of asset types. I have cash and shares, primarily. Plus an investment in quality stamps. You need to spread your risk.

I have bought shares lately where, because of the stockmarket malaise (thank you Europe!), the dividend yield is upwards of 9% (fully franked, which means it comes with a 30% tax credit, making it worth more it like a 12% pre-tax return). The classic company in that regard is Telstra (Australia's largest Telecommunications company). Just yesterday they confirmed their guidance and confirmed a $0.28c annual dividend for at least the next 2 years. They are trading today at A$3.16 a share.

If you think gold is still undervalued and want to bet on gold, buy good quality gold mining stocks. Many of those will pay a dividend, so you get the benefit of any increase in gold, plus an ongoing return.

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Correlation between gold miners and gold prices is not very reliable. NYSE symbols:
GDX - Gold Miners ETF; GLD - Gold SPDR Gold Trust.

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Doug, same thing in Australia. That is because there are gold miners and there are gold miners. You need to pick the shiners from the pack. Indexes include the good and the bad (and the ugly, love Clint Eastwood movies!), for obvious reasons. There are miners in Australia that have good, low cost production (worth buying) and there are miners who are picking over older deposits, simply because the price makes it economic to do so (avoid like the plague, the odd one will do well, most won't).

They can easily come acropper. There have been a few gold mining wannabes in Australia that had what looked like excellent prospects and spent lots reopening old mines. Only to discover that the prospects were worse than they thought or (in one case at least) turned out not to exist!

It is like any investment, do your homework and research. It's your money and you want it to provide a return!

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One other point about shares in gold mining companies. You need to look at them at the longer term, just like any share investment. Companies making good profits can still be impacted by the overall sentiment on the share market (one of the reasons Telstra's dividend return is so high). The herd mentality usually doesn't discriminate between the good and the bad.

The facts are that over any 10 year period I think you will find that the sharemarket has outperformed just about any other class of mainstream investment, including gold.

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Personally, I don't think now is the right time to buy gold. I'll give you a short-range reason and a long-term reason.

Short-term: If the Euro bailout fails, or something goes wrong, or several big banks fail, etc., etc., and the European and U.S. stock markets tank, there will be plenty of margin calls. A lot of gold will be sold to meet margin calls, because most investors have a profit in it, and it's easy. I'm not saying that's the right thing to do, but it will happen, and it will drive the price of gold down, regardless of fundamentals. It already has, in our move off $1900/ounce.

Long-term: As long as central banks and market makers and PM funds can manipulate the price of gold (and silver), it is a risky proposition. If there's to be a QE3, look for one last coordinated effort to drive the price down another 10% or so. This situation will not persist forever; eventually, the demand for physical gold will make any manipulation virtually impossible. Right now, I think we'll see 5%+ down before we see 5%+ up, and tough sledding in the near term to fill that $75-100 gap.

There are two websites full of very smart people, writing about these subjects every day:

http://www.kitco.com
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http://www.24hgold.com
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They are sort of a digest of global thinking, so you see many diverse points of view. I read both faithfully, and selected an article from each to give you a sample taste.


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Thank you both. I had from time to time over the past year thought I might diversify a little into gold. Your answers have suddenly ended that idea in a very perpendicular way! I will now be quite content with the little I brought out of West Africa years ago.

It was the near zero interest coming from the US and UK banks that prompted the question.

Some years back there was a well know company in Christchurch called Brownies. If you did not want to buy a new mattress, you went to Brownies and had your old one stuffed. Perhaps in the US and UK, a mattress refurbishment business might be a good investment in the coming years. Because with near zero interest, it might as well go in the mattress!!

I keep a weather eye on two of the sites you mention Doug, and have found both to be fairly accurate in their general predictions on global economies.

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The UK news media are reporting that MPs there are calling for a referendum on Britain remaining in the EU. Then the news this evening is that their PM Cameron, is going over to Brussels to tell the other member states how to run their financies. As far as I know Britain is still on sterling. So what imput would he have to give and how can he give any if there is doubt about his countries future participation?

A week or so ago the US treasury man Geithner was also in Europe telling the member states much the same thing. His visit seems to have gotten nowhere because the Euro and the dollar still appear to be ducking and diving.

You have to question if these people are really aware that they are playing around with peoples lives. I'm of the opinion they seem to live in a parallel world and have no real interest or understanding of the finance of this world.

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Geithner has STRICT marching orders: do not embarrass the President until the day after the 2012 elections. Then, look out!

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I have bought shares lately where, because of the stockmarket malaise (thank you Europe!), the dividend yield is upwards of 9% (fully franked, which means it comes with a 30% tax credit, making it worth more it like a 12% pre-tax return). The classic company in that regard is Telstra (Australia's largest Telecommunications company). Just yesterday they confirmed their guidance and confirmed a $0.28c annual dividend for at least the next 2 years. They are trading today at A$3.16 a share.



Don't plan a long tern hold as they are a clueless lumbering Dinosaur that the nimble footed newbies will eat for breakfast.

Even heard the name Kodak? They too paid good dividends. :idea:

10 years back if anyone said they'd be near out of business in 2012, and no-one alive would be buying roll film globally, you'd have them locked up. :idea:

But like Telstra. they took their eye off the ball, and were consigned to the dustbin of history.

96% loss over 10 years in USD, and if you bought from here there would be massive currency losses on top. Brilliant Blue Chip.

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Also, as hyperinflation insinuates itself around the world, that high dividend will mean less and less.

On the other hand, our AT&T ("Ma Bell") reinvented herself and is doing quite well in the wireless business. They are the LAST company in the U.S. I would do business with, as they are predatory, hungry, greedy, and arrogant, sort of like the lions and tigers that escaped down the road (1 hour east) a few days ago.

"Buy and Hold" has become a relic from the past, once you must compete with electronic trading scarcely a keystroke away.


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Glen, any comparison between Telstra and Kodak is, frankly, laughable. Kodak was overtaken by whole new technologies that they were far too late to embrace. Telstra, on the other hand, is at the forefront of delivering new technologies to the telecommunications sphere.

They are destroying their old technologies at the same time (fixed lines in particular) but that is the nature of the beast. By the way, I have a pretty good view of what os going on because that is the sphere I work in. I have been working on transformation projects at Telstra (but not as a Telstra employee) for the last 5 years. In that time almost the entire network has been transformed, from ATM based technologies to IP and now 4G Wireless.

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Also, as hyperinflation insinuates itself around the world, that high dividend will mean less and less.

On the other hand, our AT&T ("Ma Bell") reinvented herself and is doing quite well in the wireless business. They are the LAST company in the U.S. I would do business with, as they are predatory, hungry, greedy, and arrogant, sort of like the lions and tigers that escaped down the road (1 hour east) a few days ago.

"Buy and Hold" has become a relic from the past, once you must compete with electronic trading scarcely a keystroke away.


Doug, inflation is under control, in Australia at least. So much so that the Reserve Bank might consider cutting interest rates here. I must, however, state my belief that the rates will not come down unless there is a major increase in the disaster that is the Eurozone.

The good news is that, with official rates at 4.75%, the Reserve bank has room to move. That is not the case elsewhere, where rates are effectively at 0%. In other words, the Reserve Bank could provide stimulus (if required) without the need to resort to printing money.

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Here is a long, but useful (and favorable) article on the Australian economy. The graphs would not transfer, but the text is more than adequate to get good insights on the coming year's outlook.

Analyzing the Australian Dollar - Up, Down, and Under

With the Sword of Damocles hanging over the Euro currency by a thread, many speculators in the foreign exchange markets are flocking to the currency Down Under - the Australian dollar, attracted to its free wheeling and dealing, and its heightened volatility. The Aussie dollar offers much higher interest rates than other Asian currencies, such as the Hong Kong dollar and Japanese yen, whose exchange rates are essentially fixed by their governments though daily market intervention, making the Aussie a favorite target for carry traders.

The Australian dollar is the fifth-most-actively traded currency in the foreign exchange markets behind the US-dollar, the Euro, Japan's yen and the British pound. The Australian dollar now accounts for 7.5% of the turnover in the $4-trillion-a-day currency market, and it's gaining popularity, because the Australian central bank keeps its intervention in the currency markets to a minimum. Most of all, its direction is linked to the commodity super cycle, and offers indirect exposure to the world's fastest growing region in Asia, especially China.

Australia's mining boom is largely fueled by Chinese demand, which has kept Australia's economy out of recession for the past 20-years. "It is likely to be sustained for a very long period," Prime Minister Julia Gillard said on October 3rd. "We are in a different economic phase and we shouldn't let the language of boom deceive us. It is a boom, it is a huge opportunity for growth in our resource sector and great opportunities for jobs and wealth creation as a result, but it is likely to be sustained for a very long period of time," Gillard said.

As is often the case with countries that rely on commodities for a sizable percentage of their exports, the direction of the Australian dollar is closely correlated to the gyrations of key commodity prices. Yet interestingly enough, Australia's top-2 export earners, coal and iron ore aren't included in the basket of commodities that are traded in the European or US exchanges. Still, Australia is blessed with wealth of natural resources that are in high demand, including crude oil, gold, grains, diamonds, iron ore, uranium, nickel and coal. Among the Group-of-20 countries, Australia stands out with mining, energy, and agricultural commodity exports accounting for around 12% of the GDP, but 60% of its total exports.

Generally speaking, sharply higher commodity prices can fuel strong inflationary pressures in most Emerging economies, and prod central banks to lift interest rates. At the same time, sharply higher commodity prices will zap the disposable income of consumers and whittle away at the profitability of producers in the developed nations, such as in Europe, Japan, and the United States. Yet the Australian economy usually looks healthier when commodity prices are rising. That positions the Australian dollar, dubbed the "Aussie," as a popular alternative to the Euro, Japanese yen, British pound, and US-dollar for traders looking to go long on commodity exposure, while going short on currencies whose local companies are likely to suffer weaker profit margins due to higher input costs.

High prices for industrial commodities, especially base metals, iron ore, coal, and natural gas are now providing Australia with its largest trade surpluses in history. Australia posted a trade surplus of $3.1-billion in August, - the second highest on record. That brought the running 12-month total to a healthy A$22-billion. In particular, the industrialization and urbanization of billions in China and India is generating huge demand for coal and iron ore, Australia's two biggest exports. Over two-thirds of Australia's exports now go to Asia, with China alone accounting for 26% of total exports, while the EU takes 7% and the US less than 4-percent.

Overall, Australia's miners and farmers are tipped to drive export earnings to new heights this fiscal year, assuming that commodity prices can defy the doom and gloom in the global financial markets. Export receipts from mines, gas and oilfields will surge past the A$215-billion mark for the first time in 2011-12, with farms adding another A$35-billion to the export tally, despite the high local dollar. "The +21% increase in resources and energy export earnings reflects strong increases for most commodities, including coal, iron ore, crude oil and natural gas, base metals and gold," the Bureau of Resources and Energy Economics said.

Chinese demand for commodities looks to have remained resilient in August, even as global stock markets nosedived. China's imports from Australia rose almost +42% in August from a year earlier to a record $6.6-billion. China ran a trade deficit with Australia worth $4.3-billion for the month. That demand helped lift the RBA's index of commodity prices to record peaks both July and August, having climbed +25% over the preceding 12-months. Exports to Japan were ahead +7% at nearly $5-billion, while shipments to Korea climbed +14% to more than $2 billion. For the 12-months to August, exports to East Asia rose +26%, with shipments to China reaching a cumulative A$64.8-billion, and up an astonishing +33-percent. Overall, Australian exports to China have increased 25-fold in real terms since 1990.

The boom in commodity exports helped to lift the Australian dollar above parity with the US-dollar on October 15th, 2010 for the first time since becoming a freely traded currency in 1983. The Aussie then traded above parity for several days in November. On May 2nd, 2011 the Australian Dollar hit a record high when it traded at a $1.1011 against the US Dollar. Seeking to head off inflationary pressures, the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) has kept its overnight cash rate locked at 4.75% for almost a year, a neutral level that neither stimulates nor retards economic growth, while a strong Aussie dollar also helps keep inflation in check.

Australia is also the world's single-largest exporter of the iron ore. Roughly 62% of Australia's exports to China are concentrated in sales of iron ore, and 7.5% in coking and thermal coal. Thus, roughly 70% of Australia's total exports to China, - coal and iron ore, - are directly linked to China's vast steelmaking industry, which produces half of the world's steel output. To meet China's voracious demand, the Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Natural Resources is projecting iron ore exports, the biggest earner, to jump +5% to 425-million tons in 2011, and could reach 600-million tons by 2016. Some of Australia's biggest customers are Baoshan Iron & Steel, China's biggest publicly traded steelmaker, Sumitomo Metal Industries, Japan's third-largest steelmaker, and India's Tata Steel.

Rio Tinto is the world's #2 iron ore producer by volume after Vale. In the next five years, Rio plans to grow output by +50% to 333-million tons a year in Australia's western Pilbara region, at a possible cost of more than $15-billion. Rio reported a first-half profit of $7.8-billion and declared it would step up its share buyback by $2-billion after a cash windfall from record commodity prices. Melbourne-based rival BHP Billiton produced Australia's largest-ever annual corporate profit of $21.7-billion and operating cash flow of $30.1-billion.

Income from iron ore, BHP's biggest division, rose a better than expected 122% to $13.3-billion last year, spurred by strong demand from Chinese steel producers. The story was the same in other divisions. Earnings from base metals soared +47% to $6.8-billion. Profits from oil grew +38% to $6.3-billion. BHP Billiton is also investing billions in new production capacity in iron ore and coal in Australia, and completed a $10-billion share buyback ahead of schedule. Fortescue Metals Group was also rewarded with a healthy profit courtesy of soaring iron ore prices and increased production, with a +76% jump in annual profit, to $US1-billion.

In fact, BHP Billiton's $22-billion profit was equal to nearly a third of the total $71.4-billion in profits reported by Australia companies this earnings season. Throw in Commonwealth Bank's $6.4-billion profit, and the two companies -- with a combined 20% index weighting -- produced 40% of the reported profits. However, despite all of these glowing results, the Australia Stock Exchange's metal miners' index has been sliding down a slippery slope, since April 11th and has lost as much as -31% of its market value.

The selloff in Australian mining shares began to accelerate in July, and in sympathy, knocked the Aussie dollar from its high perch at $1.100 to below parity against the US$. Currency traders started to take notice of the most actively traded Steel rebar contract on the Shanghai Futures Exchange, which began tumbling from as high as 5,400-yuan /ton, to as low as 4,205 yuan /ton this week, after dropping more than -11% in September, its biggest monthly loss ever. Traders say that a construction boom in China that fueled steel prices higher earlier in the year is starting to lose steam, as a result of tighter credit conditions.

Prices for iron ore, the key component in making steel, has also tumbled by more than -12% since August 28th, amid expectations that #1 buyer China might cut its steel output in the fourth quarter. Index-based spot iron ore prices, based on Chinese transactions and used by global miners in fixing supply contracts, slid to $153.45 /ton on October 17th, the lowest since March. Prices of forward swaps also extended losses, with the Singapore Exchange-cleared November contract falling more than $4 to $154.17 /ton.

Chinese steel output fell to 56.7-million tons in September, falling from a record high of 60.2-million tons in May. Although output in September was still +16.5% higher than the same period of last year, traders in Shanghai figure that steel output has reached a peak and expect further declines in the fourth quarter, normally a peak demand period, with steel mills impacted by a slowdown in the global economy as well as domestically.

Australia is also the world's biggest exporter of coal, shipping about 316-million tons annually, and worth roughly A$46-billion in overseas sales last year. Australia's coking coal exports are estimated at 164-million tons this year, equal to nearly 60% of the global total. China single-handedly produces about half of the world's steel, and coking coal has quickly emerged as one of the handful of commodities in critical need by its steel sector. In 2009, China became a net importer of coal for the first time. It bought 104-million metric tons of coal, including both thermal coal - used to fire power plants for generating electricity, and coking coal. China's coal imports for the first nine months of this year reached 120-million tons.

However, the price of thermal coal, accounting for about half of Australia's coal exports, and in more abundant supply in China, is starting to slide alongside the stumbling price of iron ore. Fortescue Metals predicts iron ore prices are likely to continue sliding in the months ahead, even after the company released solid first-quarter results. Fortescue's iron ore fetched an average price of $US160 /ton during the three months to September, but it now sees "softening steel prices and a tight monetary policy in China helping to bring iron ore prices down, and would continue to do so." In a positive note for Fortescue, its costs of production were lowered to below $US50 /ton for the first time.

Thermal coal at Newcastle, Asia's benchmark price, tumbled to $117.50 /ton this week. That's down from a three-year high of $131.50 /ton last January, when floods inundated Australia's state of Queensland. Indonesia's coal output may rise 6% to a record 340-million tons this year, and supplies from Australia are expected to increase +12% to 135-million tons in 2012. Thus, traders now suspect that a small glut of thermal coal in Asia could start to develop.

Copper, the metal with a PH-D in Economics lost as much as a third of its value from its record high peak, since August 7th. On Oct 3rd, JP-Morgan reported that the Global Manufacturing PMI had contracted worldwide for the first time in over two years last month as incoming orders for new work dried up. Softening prices for industrial commodities are starting to take some of the wind out of the sails of the Australian dollar, and are presenting some formidable headwinds that are weighing on the Aussie's exchange rate with the US-dollar.

The Aussie dollar also faces stiff resistance on the interest rate front, although a rate cut by the RBA wouldn't be taken as a big surprise by currency trades. The yield on Australia's 1-year T-bill rate has dropped sharply since May 1st, and is last seen at 4.02%, or nearly three-quarters of a percent below the RBA's overnight cash rate. Interbank futures on the ASX continue to imply a two-in-three chance of a 25-basis point rate cut to 4.50% before year's end. The RBA seemed to open the door for a small rate cut, as early as next month in what would mark an about-face for the famously hawkish bank.

The RBA said in releasing the minutes of its October policy meeting that future decisions would depend largely on the outlook for domestic prices and on developments in the shaky global economy. "Members believed that an improved inflation outlook, if confirmed by further data, would increase the scope for monetary policy to provide some support to demand, should that prove necessary," the RBA said. Much would depend on the inflation data for the third quarter, due on October 26th, falling back to within the RBA's 2-3% inflation target band. The RBA said it expects Australia's terms of trade to decline in the period ahead as global prices for commodity exports eased in response to softening demand in foreign economies.

Even a modest RBA cut in rates could give a sizable boost to incomes and provide a direct and rapid stimulus to the economy. There are A$1.2-trillion of home mortgages outstanding, and 95% of them are based upon variable rates, easily the highest share of any developed nation. This makes monetary policy a very powerful tool. For an average mortgage of A$300,000, a 25-basis points rate cut lowers the interest rate expense by A$600 a year.

Two quarter point rate cuts by the RBA, expected by Aussie T-bill traders could help cap the rise of the Australian dollar, and might level the local playing field for Australian companies competing in the global markets. Western Australia is home to the top miners, and 10% of the country's population, yet is earning about 60% of the foreign income. The other 90% of Australians are earning 40% the foreign exchange. Manufacturing companies trying to win exports or fend off imports would get some relief from a slightly weaker Australian dollar.

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Doug, despite all the upside there is still one immutable fact of life as far as the AUD goes. That fact is that it is seen as 'risky' and does well (read: increase in value) when there is an appetite for risk. If anything goes pear shaped (or even looks like going pear shaped) globally, then the only currency most traders want to be in is the USD.

One thing the high AUD has done is speed up the decline in manufacturing in Australia. Combine higher input costs with much reduced import costs (in AUD terms) and manufacturers are doing it tough. The domestic market is too small (around 23 million people) and manufactured exports are being priced out of the market by the high currency.

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FRANKFURT (MarketWatch) -- The British parliament on Monday is set to hold a vote on a motion calling for a referendum on the country's membership in the European Union. Around 70 Conservative members of parliament are seen as potentially defying the party leadership's call to vote 'no,' the BBC reported, marking a test for Prime Minister David Cameron. The leadership of the Liberal Democrats, the Conservatives' coalition partner, and the opposition Labour party have called on their own members to vote against the motion, which is expected to fail.


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Glen, any comparison between Telstra and Kodak is, frankly, laughable.


I'd say they are near identical Peter.

Remind me in 10 years time if I was wiser to have bought $A100K in Telstra today and left it alone, or $A100K in Westpac Bank or ANZ Bank.

There will be a 100-200% better result for Westpac is my tip. Possibly a great deal more, as by then Tesltra will have been totally over-run by the nimble and savvy new kids, as their prized line monopoly they sold off this month, the idiots - for a one time pile of cash.

Like Kodak, a lazy monolith and worse, with a top managment line-up over the past decade reading like a list of the greatest and most over-paid imbeciles of all time.

That disaster bringing in the abrasive Americans who upset staff and government and clients, and later vamoosed off to Texas with $100 million in their pockets, leaving a trail of chaos and mess behind them, was typical Telstra clueless decision making.

Anyone who bought shares in the last much hyped Telstra float does not need be reminded of this!

As I said 10 years back not one person reading this would have dreamed Kodak could sink this badly -

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Glen, no disagreement on the disaster that was the 3 Amigos at Telstra. However, David Thodey is a very different proposition. Yes, they are monoloithic and I get enormously frustrated working with them because of it! However, incumbency as a service provider is going to be very valuable when (if) the NBN finally gets delivered. Telstra is spending a lot of money to ensure that they limit leakage of customers.

In any event, I hold shares in more than just Telstra. I also like the big 4 banks, seriously undervalued at the moment (in my opinion), especially Westpac and ANZ. There are also some good, cheap, mining stocks out there, if you do the research.

Telstra is, however, a good defensive stock and pays a guaranteed dividend stream (recently confirmed for at least the next 3 years), which is fully franked. I bought at close to the bottom of the market and even if the price falls significantly (which I doubt it will, simply because of the yield), it won't cause me much angst.

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Remind me in 10 years time if I was wiser to have bought $A100K in Telstra today and left it alone, or $A100K in Westpac Bank or ANZ Bank.


I wouldn't put my money into Telstra for 10 years, but 12 to 18 months might be OK. Telstra has promised to pay a 28 cent dividend for the next 2 financial years.

At the current price that is about a 9% return without taking the fully franked (30% tax paid) component into account. That would take the return to well over 10%.

Where else are you going to get that return?

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Another IFFY country, all of a sudden:

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"Moody's landed at this story from October 2010: Austrian Banks Carry €2.6 Trillion in Derivatives - Risk Unknown To Central Bank

Being behind the curve must be a tradition at Moody's. Here is the 2011 update: It Takes Only a 4% Adverse Move and Austria's Banks Are Out of Business.

Of Austria's top 6 banks, only Erste Group and Raiffeisen Bank International are listed. Both banks saw their share prices drop like all other banks recently. Erste Group 'corrected' its 2011 outlook from a €800 million profit in September to a €800 million net loss only 12 days later, raising eyebrows on the way it had accounted its derivatives until then. Austria's biggest bank, Bank Austria, is a 100% subsidiary of troubled Italian Unicredit..."


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Remind me in 10 years time if I was wiser to have bought $A100K in Telstra today and left it alone, or $A100K in Westpac Bank or ANZ Bank.


I wouldn't put my money into Telstra for 10 years, but 12 to 18 months might be OK. Telstra has promised to pay a 28 cent dividend for the next 2 financial years.

At the current price that is about a 9% return without taking the fully franked (30% tax paid) component into account. That would take the return to well over 10%.

Where else are you going to get that return?


Whoppee ... lets all salivate at the dividends whilst the stock price goes down the crapper. :lol:

And this graph has a LONG way down to go yet IMHO.

There is one overall direction as history shows us below. DOWN.

Buy at $5 get nice dividend, and sell at $3. Real Warren Buffet stuff!

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Glen, we are talking current price (around $3.15), not previous prices. There is now a floor under the price of Telstra, a direct result of the dividend yield. If the price falls then the already high yield increases and attracts buyers.

During the last few weeks of daily swings on the Australian market, from strongly positive to strongly negative, the price of Telstra has fluctuated in a narrow band of between around $3.10 to $3.20 (it fell below $3 on one day and volume was significant as money poured in. Price went back well above $3 almost immediately.

I bought some Telstra on 15th August and paid $3.08. Current price (15:25 AEDT 26th October) is $3.14. Plenty of shares are well down on their prices at that same date (August was a pretty nasty month). I also got the $0.14c half-year dividend payment in September.

It pays to look at the future, as well as teh past, when deciding investments. Telstra will be a good stock to hold for the next few years at least. 10 years? Who knows, but I won't be waiting 10 years to review whether to hold them or not. The fact that the company has committed to their dividend yield for the next 2 years means that they are worth holding for at least that long. After that, we will see.

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BTW, I would suggest that there are very few companies on the Australian market that would not have a price curve similar to the one you showed. From just before GFC to now almost every share has fallen significantly in value.

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BTW, I would suggest that there are very few companies on the Australian market that would not have a price curve similar to the one you showed.


Don't give up your day job to get into financial advisory. :mrgreen:

In the same 5 year span that Telstra has fallen from $5 to $3, the largest well run companies held strongly - like our largest 2 corporations, NAB Bank and BHP Billiton, and Woolworths has gone up actually.

I gave up looking after those 3. :)

Good shares hold steady or go UP over 5 years, not halve. And those 3 also pay dividends too - newsflash!

There is no "floor" under Telstra at $3. There is nothing stopping it going down a lot further. A good dividend from a stock dropping in price is irrelevant to a savvy investor.


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Glen,

I was referring specifically to the curve and to the specific period from the peak of 2007. ALL majors are down since then. however, you believe whatever you want to believe, I am happy to have bought Telstra now, whereas I would never have bought Telstra in 2007.

BTW, you need to learn how to read charts yourself. Take BHP, in the last 52 weeks it has had a high of $49.81 and a low of $33.68. It closed today at $36.94. In the same period, Telstra has had a high of $3.22 and a low of $2.55. It closed today at $3.15

Which do you think has performed better over a 12 month period? Which do you think has had the better dividend yield over a 12 month period?

In the 4 year period, Telstra had a high of around $4.80 and that low of $2.55. BHP had a high of around $50 and a low of around $22.

I happen to think both companies are good assets to buy right now, Telstra for dividend yield and BHP for capital appreciation.

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Which do you think has performed better over a 12 month period? Which do you think has had the better dividend yield over a 12 month period?




Peter only fools look at any stock over 12 months.

All I have spoken about is what any conservative advisor focuses on - 5 years or more. No-one thinks short term except speculators. And with any short sharp hit, and they are toast of course.

BHP is up about 30% over that 5 year period. All dividends are a pure bonus. BHP are well run and it shows.

You were imputing all large companies have performed similar to Telstra. NO. Telstra has near halved. Keep those rose coloured glasses on if you wish. However the market over that period has spoken.

Telstra is well and truly on the Kodak slide - no doubt about it.

The reason I know about this is a close friend has lost $100,000 on Telstra as I similarly urged a few years back to keep well away as idiots were running it. I was advised "they will never slip under $4" - just as confidently as you now assure us they have a base at $3.

Write this down - they'll see $2 before they see $5. :idea:

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Glen, only an absolute miracle will see Telstra reach $5 and only an absolute disaster will see them reach $2. Neither scenario is likely.

Investing requires a balanced approach. Stocks with good potential for growth also have an equal potential for the downside. BHP has been on a wild ride for the last 5 years, with massive swings upwards and downwards. Telstra has fallen, as I certainly expected it to (so I didn't invest because it was overvalued and the dividends, at $5, were not enough to justify holding them.)

At around $3, with a fully franked dividend equating to a bank interest equivalent of around 12.5%, they are a no-brainer for inclusion in the income side of investments. The attractiveness of the guaranteed dividends mean that the price will hover around where it is for the next few years. There will be ups and there will be downs, but the volatility will be dampened by dividend yield.

Anyway, enough. You don't like Telstra based on it's history. Fair enough, if I only looked at what has happened in the past I wouldn't buy it either. It is what is happening now, though, that is far more important.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 06:54:23 am 
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Boundless optimism is suddenly prevailing, simply because a bunch of Europeans said they are going to solve their problems, honest injun! That the resolution relies on banks taking a big loss on Greek sovereign debt (50% write down) and Germany insisting that the European Central Bank not be involved in the new 1 Trillion Euro fund might just hint that the resolution is not much of a resolution at all. Germany obviously has it's doubts, if it wants to protect the ECB from what might happen.

Still, so desperate is the market for good news, any news, that even the results of that meeting were sufficient. I saw a report that it appears that Europe has already slipped back into recession, based on the indicators. That will make it that much more difficult (in Greece's cases I would say impossible) to cut deficits and pay down debt in the PIIGS.

I am starting to come to the view that a staggered, controled default by Greece may be their only way out of the quagmire. Properly managed, by the ECB, it just might stave off bank collapses in other parts of Europe. Of course, teh 50% write downs might be seen as a default in another guise.

The AUD has, in the last 24 hours, risen from US$1.0394 to US1.0727. The risk appetite is back! At least till Friday night (Australian time), or maybe even as far out as Monday or Tuesday next week!

"It's all good! Greece and the rest of Europe is saved! Risk is good! Risk is great! Let's take on risk! American Dollars?? Who wants American Dollars, they don't pay any interest? We want assets we can make money on! Like those funny plastic Aussie Dollars and that yellow stuff, what was it again? Oh yes, gold! Gold will make us rich, rich I tell you!"

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 07:13:38 am 
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During the flap over Telstra, my post on banks in Austria got overlooked; go back up about 10 posts and read the grim facts. :?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 07:40:10 am 
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Doug, i think there will have to be some bank failures in the Eurozone. The ECB simply won't be able to support them all. And, now that Germany has ensured that the new Stability Fund will have no ECB involvement (read no more Central Bank money invested in a lost cause!), I don't think that fund will be liquid enough either.

Unlike the US, where the Federal Reserve can buy assets from banks (regardless of quality, effectively) and pump money into the economy (Quantitative Easing), the ECB is constrained by different governments and differing views between those governments. Look how hard it is to get even the simplest supports into place in Europe.

to a large extent it is all smoke and mirrors at the moment. I think I might have suggested before that it is sentiment that is the main economic driver, globally, at the moment. Sentiment is very fickle. Today the sentiment is that Europe has been saved and the sky is going to remain up there and not fall.

Tomorrow the sentiment could turn. If it does, then the risk appetite will disappear once again. Once again it will be US Treasuries everybody wants, nothing else.

I see that the US economy grew at 2.5% (annualised) in the third quarter. At least that is a bit of good news, even if it is not strong enough to boost employment significantly. I think that when we see the GDP numbers for Europe next, well..it won't be pretty!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:42:46 am 
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Agreed in general. The point was more that this is the first time I've heard Austria mentioned.


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