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We register at the post office and the same rubber stamps used on letters are used on other documents. If, as this article says, Obama's paper copy was destroyed long ago, how come this forged e-copy has been made available recently.

This guy was not American in 1980 and prepared this document in 2008 for election purposes. It's all a hoax. Check the images in this article.

There's lots on this stuff...philately?

http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/sheriff-joe-demands-obama-draft-registration/

Maybe it is forged, maybe its all a Hoax, who will ever know, but whatever the truth you can at least be thankfull that you currently have one of the most inspirational leaders in the work trying at least to run your country.

I do wish we had someone of his quality here in Australia as the line up we have here is in my opinion a joke.

Richard

kwesi - please READ the Rules.

Headings MUST be concise.

I have wasted my time amending yours as the heading, and none of your text mentioned Obama and the entire thread was thus meaningless to anyone except you.

All threads MUST have an image.

We also have firm rules about folks just adding a weblink, which might lead to any hillbilly site, containing adware, malware or Trojans etc.

I have again wasted MY time adding them below as I agree the discussion is interesting, and the plain "80" to right I can't say I have even seen before.

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I'm sorry to say, Richard, I think you're between pharmacists or something else has gone wrong. This charlatan is an international embarrassment. You do have better people in Australia -- you can't miss!

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It's about a draft registration card, a forged cancel, not a birth certificate. O'Bama or otherwise, it's a neat real-world example of forgery and fraud. VERY "real". Sorry about other infractions.

Well if you took the time to word the heading correctly in the first place, it would save me needing to guess at what the heck it was. And now needing to waste more time changing it again.


http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2556

I'm totally with Richard on this.

So let’s see if I have the birther conspiracy correct. In the Summer of 1961 Obama’s mom, who is only 18, is about to give birth to her first child. She has two choices.

a) Give birth in a Honolulu Hospital, where she knows she will get good care, surrounded by her family and friends, with a doctor she knows, and where she can go home after a few days with a newborn via an easy car ride, knowing that she has family and friends to help her with her baby

b) She can travel to Kenya, probably a several day trip via airplane (while 9 months pregnant!) buying international airplane tickets even though she’s a college student without a lot of money. Once in Kenya she can give birth aided by an unknown doctor, in a hospital she doesn’t know anything about, surrounded by strangers. Once she’s given birth she has to then repeat her trip back halfway across the world, this time with a newborn.

For some reason she chooses Option B. She makes the trip but manages not to leave any trail of documents behind, such as consular records or visas. She also somehow (and for some odd reason) has someone in a hospital in Honolulu fake a birth record so that an announcement will appear in the Honolulu newspapers and so her son’s official records will say he was born in Honolulu. She then swears her family and friends to secrecy, again for no reason that was apparent in 1961.

Gee, and birthers wonder why the rest of us think they’re crazy.

Norm

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This thread, at the "water cooler" is about a forged date stamp/cancel on a draft registration form. I think my original title made that clear, until I ran out of space. Regardless of what you people think of O'bama, his draft registration card was recently forged decades after it was purportedly destroyed by the Selective Service people. Read the article and I'm sorry for putting the link in.

No your original heading was not clear in any way, and there was lots of space left.

The word Obama was not mentioned in heading, or the text, ANYWHERE in your original post. Ridiculous. Please learn from that, and lets move on.

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Hi, Norm: You obviously haven't read anything on this subject and, since there are volumes written on this mystery man, I won't try to sort you out.

In short, O'bama's Kenya grandmother has said she witnessed the birth in Mombasa.

You can forget the newspaper reports. You can also forget the whole HI birth thing in general.

I'll tell you something else: To be eligible for the Presidency in this country, your PARENTS must be citizens. Duh! You want him with all his "inspiration"?

This thread is about the cancel on his draft registration card, not his phoney birth certificate.

Margo says: "I'm totally with Richard on this."

You obviously don't know Americans..."Trying to run our country", says Richard.

Americans run their country with limited gov't. I'm surprised Aussies would say something like this. I guess you didn't have to throw out any tyrants. After that experience, we learned the smell of them. Now we have olfactory fatigue -- big time!

As it happens my mother was American

Margo: My mother and father, my grandparents, and more were also Americans. We're not rare. Meanwhile, what about the fraudulent cancel on the draft registration card...or do you think it's legit?

Birthers..... *facepalm*

You are simply wrong here.

Because people who believe in a conspiracy theory simply hear what they want to hear. So some Birther sites have posted transcripts and YouTube clips that end abruptly with the mistranslation and don’t include the corrections. McRae, for his part, included the full translation in his affidavit — he thinks it’s all just part of the conspiracy. “Some few younger relatives, including [translator Vitalis Akech Ogombe],” McRae wrote in his court filing, “have obviously been versed to counter such facts with the common purported information from the American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii.”

Here’s the conversation:

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

http://www.salon.com/2009/07/24/liddy/



Why? How did somebody in 1961 think that Obama would become POTUS in 2008, and cook the books back then? Are you seriously suggesting that Hawaiian Newspapers printed over 50 years ago would fake something because of some future conspiracy to bring Obama into his position. These papers are on record as to showing his birth back in 1961!



No again. You don't even know your own constitution.



Why do you call his Birth Certificate phony, if that is not part of your stupid Birther Conspiracy?

Norm

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From the Appalachain mountains by any chance? I mention this only in response to your reference to tyrants of course.

Huanga.

Yes but you are not Australian.
I was accused of not knowing Americans...I simply make the point that I knew at least one

I don't get it, Huanga. What do you think of the cancel on the draft form?

Huanga: I have a Kiwi friend living in Kentucky, the Bluegrass country. He works with horses. Got tired of sheep.

Ignoring the anti/for Obama comments:

Before I make any comment on an image on a screen I want to see the whole original document and more date stamps relevant to the case.

I'd rather not look at what certainly appears to be some "photoshopped" image that has had it's perspective twisted out of true circular and could be anything.

There is a reference image above that puports to be "the fake cancel" which is just sitting there with no proof of where it came from or what it is off etc.


If you like I can easily take one of those real cancel's and make it look fake - proves nothing really.

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Hi, Allan: You didn't read any of the article, obviously. And I'm sure you work off any number of document scans on this site all the time. You're looking for O'bama excuses.

Hmmm ok ok I have to admit that it is a little odd, no first 2 digits and definatly out of line so appears to have meant to have the other 2 digits there.

To be honest if i was going to forge something i could have done better when I was in high school than that if indeed it is forged. Hmmmm actualy i think i did do better than that when i was in high school LOL.

Still believe that he is one of the most inspirational leaders anywhere in the world today however, my opinion and I am entitled to it. Oddly enough weird missguided comments about me missing my medication are not likely to change that opinion. Some form of proof is the prefered method

Richard

Quite apart from the common-sense points made above by fromdownunder and Allanswood -- hang on a minute. In your link, Sheriff Joe is investigating this?

Joe Arpaio? The man who has a record of framing trumped-up charges against his political opponents, and is currently in hot water himself because of it? We're supposed to take anything he claims seriously, let alone this?

Maybe I'll be criticized for daring to say something that isn't 110% related to the date stamp, but why write Obama's name as "O'bama"? Is there also a conspiracy theory out there that he's part Scottish?

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No reason of any great importance. I'm presently reading a book called 'God's frontiersmen'. Its a history of the Scots-Irish and your obstinacy with Obama's documents and what appears to be your obsession that he is not an American, seems in keeping with their traits. In the US they concentrated in the Appalachain mountains hence my question.

Incidently, my use of the words obstinacy and obsession is not meant as an insult, it just happens that I'm reading the book and your posts seem to present the perfect example.......to me!

Huanga.

[aethelwulf..the apostrophed 'o is Irish, not Scottish.]

For all the anti Obama "Birther" data you need just google Orly Taitz. She is the most utter nut case on the planet for being anti Obama, is the Birther Flag Waver, and has introduced and lost dozens of cases in many States attempting to get him out of the White House. She is a dentist and a "Lawyer".

WARNING! Do not go to her personal Website. It is full of viruses which will attach themselves to your PC, because "her dumbness" does not understand the internet. Typical of Birthers. They don't even understand Birth Certificates, short or long form.

Norm

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Scottish? A coven of Conspiracy Theorists in Tennessee thinks he is really IRISH Aethelwulf ..... please keep up.

Paidbrack O'Bama. They have a photocopy of a scan of a Polaroid of his Driver's License.

And why the hell does where he was born make a blind bit of difference as to whether he's qualified to perform a job???

Fair enough if you disagree on his politics - post about that. Fair enough if you think it's a forged document - make a post about that.

Don't however then imply that because he's born in Kenya (which he may or may not be, I frankly don't care) he is not American (who are you (a relic from pre-1954) to tell him what he considers himself to be?) and that his birthplace affects his political / leadership ability.

I haven't read any of this thread so apologies if I have completely misinterpreted your sentiment Kwesi (and you are in fact a non-racist, rational individual).

Actually his name is not Allan, it is Greg. But then, Birthers are pretty useless at understanding or researching anything outside their stupid obsessions.

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Just Imagine the plot for a second... The guy who is now one of the most powerful men in the world, could not make decent fakes ...

Birthers basically are a bunch off pissed off white christian conservative Americans, and the entire "issue" (if there is any) is just a way to express their frustrations.... This issue gives them the cover of being "Constitutionalists" and not simply pissed off white christian conservatives.

There's a rule in the US Constitution which says the President has to be a natural-born US citizen (i.e. entitled to citizenship at birth -- born there, or qualified as the child of a US citizen, subject to certain conditions). IIRC last time round, John McCain qualified to stand as the Republican candidate despite being born in Panama, as it was because his father was in the military serving there.

Hence the attempts to declare that Obama was born in Kenya instead ... although (again IIRC) even if he had been, I think he'd still have qualified as his mother was a citizen resident in the US for the right period.

This thread, as the title indicates, is about a forged date stamp cancel on on a draft registration form. It's so interesting that so few respondents can stick to the subject. Must be more evidence of the ADD epidemic sweeping the world.

Comments on the US Constitution, the Scotch-Irish in Appalachia, Orly Taitz, my ethnic/cultural/religious background, and other stuff don't quite seem to apply to the subject. Believe what you want about O'Bama (his mother was purportedly of Irish descent, slave holders perhaps), but all that doesn't really matter. We're talking about a forged date stamp.

I don't much keep up with Australian matters and I would hate to comment on, say, Aboriginal Rights or anything else I'm so poorly informed on. The respondents here, in the main, show a dramatic ignorance of US history..."The Scotch-Irish in Appalachia"...please!

Friend or faux...the date stamp?

Ok, the '80' of the date stamp is different from the other date stamps you have displayed. Have you checked ALL datestamps used throughout the USA on that day and can confirm that this is the only 'different' strike?

Even if it is, does the difference 'prove' that Obama's form is a forgery? No.

There could be other reasons for the difference- for example, the original plug may have dropped out, been lost, or worn to the point of being unreadable, and so a temporary '80' was made.

The leap between 'different' and 'forgery' is unproven, as is who forged it and who would benefit most from the forgery (if it is a forgery). I prefer an earlier comment that if Obama arranged the 'forgery' he had the entire resources of the CIA/FBI etc to call upon and who have proven themselves adept at forgery- instead of creating a result that a kindergarten child could manage.

If it is a forgery, why haven't Obama's political opponents jumped on the bandwagon? Perhaps they do not believe in the conspiracy theories that say that Obama is a closet muslim; he is a communist or that his registration form is a forgery etc. etc.

If it is a forgery? So what? Obama was/is still eligible to serve as POTUS or are you accusing Obama of being a forger?

The USA has more important issues to resolve- time to accept the reality that Obama is your president ( and probably will be for another 4 years) and move on.

OK then, I'll comment on this image:



The poor quality of the image shown makes it virtually impossible to draw ANY conculsion. It's so fuzzy and out of focus that a serious researcher would caveat any "theory" they drew from it extremely heavily.

They would NOT use is as a keystone of a theory so harebrained as to be laughable.

The most that could be said even from a clear image is that "it's different", not "it's a fake" - without studying the original even that's only speculation, so "it seems to be different" is the strongest comment you could sensibly make.

I don't understand the need to try to discredit Obama with this kind of pseudo-racial smear (for that is clearly what it is!).

If you want to remove Obama from office (which I, unlike many of the other contributors to this thread, think would be a good thing), then concentrate on two things:

1. Hold up the actions of his administration to close scrutiny - the broken election promises, the poor economic performance of the USA in the last 3 years, etc, etc. Concentrate on the fact that he's a "lightweight" president - yet another Democrat "fashion icon" like Clinton and Kennedy before him.

2. Find a suitable candidate to oppose him at the election. The Republicans are behaving like a party who don't want to be elected. Probably because they fear things will get worse before they get better. And they are probably right - so they'll stick a faceless nobody with a charisma by-pass to stand against him and get beaten.

But 4 years hence will be a different story and the American citizens (and citizens of the world) will have seen through Obama. And NONE of this will have anything to thank a puerile and offensive conspiracy theory for.

So, instead of looking for (or creating) evidence for this garbage, strap a pair on and fight a decent, honest, above board election campaign. That's the great thing about democracy - you can do that, you know.

In response to your various points, maszki:

Ok, the '80' of the date stamp is different from the other date stamps you have displayed. Have you checked ALL datestamps used throughout the USA on that day and can confirm that this is the only 'different' strike?

***The linked article and images above shows date stamps from the same and other post offices for days all around the O document.

Even if it is, does the difference 'prove' that Obama's form is a forgery? No.

***The article also states that the original paper forms were destroyed many years ago, so how does a copy of the form conveniently turn up in 2008? Microfiche forms are currently being destroyed or withheld despite requests/subpenas to look at them, according to the article.

There could be other reasons for the difference- for example, the original plug may have dropped out, been lost, or worn to the point of being unreadable, and so a temporary '80' was made.

***The investigators duplicated the forgery process and it's rather clear that the "80" is an inverted "08".

The leap between 'different' and 'forgery' is unproven, as is who forged it and who would benefit most from the forgery (if it is a forgery). I prefer an earlier comment that if Obama arranged the 'forgery' he had the entire resources of the CIA/FBI etc to call upon and who have proven themselves adept at forgery- instead of creating a result that a kindergarten child could manage.

***Indictments will come soon concerning this matter. Americans must register at age 18. O, not being American, never registered. This was the period when he was registered as the "foreign student" Barry Soetoro getting "foreign student financial aid" at Occidental College, before he dropped out and moved on to Columbia (maybe). No one confirms any of Barry's timeline. Those folks promoting the historic "affirmative action" president prepared the document and date stamp. If there were no such registration, it would amount to another felony.

If it is a forgery, why haven't Obama's political opponents jumped on the bandwagon? Perhaps they do not believe in the conspiracy theories that say that Obama is a closet muslim; he is a communist or that his registration form is a forgery etc. etc.

***Some very interesting affidavits have recently been signed by one of Hillary's aides concerning intimidation by Chicago thug types during the 2008 campaign. Bill and Hillary both question O's eligibility -- just lately and openly. If O's story is true, he IS a Muslim. His father was Muslim, that makes him a Muslim. But that doesn't matter -- the religion that is.

If it is a forgery? So what? Obama was/is still eligible to serve as POTUS or are you accusing Obama of being a forger?

***Forgery and fraud are criminal offenses. Jail time!

The USA has more important issues to resolve- time to accept the reality that Obama is your president ( and probably will be for another 4 years) and move on.

***He's holding the Office in complete disregard of the Oath of Office...to uphold the Constitution, etc. It's called perjury. The felonies are impeachable offenses. If he wins again, it will be just like last time -- voter fraud and racial condescension and no one bothering to check his eligibility. Certainly his record and performance only hurt him. He's no Lech Walesa or Pulaski or Kasciusko (spelling).

kwesi,

Do you honestly believe that first of all Hillary Clinton would have passed away such an opportunity to crush Obama during the Democratic Nominations? Do you really believe that the Republicans would not have made a bigger deal out of this if there was real evidence? Do you really believe that one of the most powerful man in the entire world would make so sloppy forgeries that you and a bunch of white conservative christians would find out so easily?

If you want respect in a debate you will have to earn it.. The first step is to write Obamas name correctly and not "O'Bama" since this is the giveaway that confirms to me that this entire issue has something to do with your ethnicity and religious affiliation.

Gavin says:" I don't understand the need to try to discredit Obama with this kind of pseudo-racial smear (for that is clearly what it is!)."

Huh? We're talking about a date stamp and two are shown from the same post office two days apart.

Discredit O'Bama with pseudo-racial smears? Please. We're talking about forgery and fraud with a date stamp. What would race have to do with forgery and fraud? I suppose we should excuse the behavior because of race, right? Affirmative action, that's right! Only certain races qualify for a leg up and apologies. Prove your inferiority and admit to it -- and we'll make allowances and help you! Please.

You can get better images at wnd.com. I like how everyone takes the knee-jerk image that the Republican candidate is an automatic loser -- just because. Who on God's green Earth will vote for O'Bama again? I don't mean to disparage either Kenyans or Irish. We're all something -- that's not the point.

We're talking about a date stamp and this forum is filled with experts on date stamps. Let's not make "fuzzy" excuses.

kwesi (an Akan name that means Sunday-born boy. And people born on Sunday don't work. That's why all the British in Ghana were called "Kwesi". Since the British don't work, they must have been born on Sundays. So we call them Kwesi.)

Bardhi writes, "If you want respect in a debate you will have to earn it.. The first step is to write Obamas name correctly and not "O'Bama" since this is the giveaway that confirms to me that this entire issue has something to do with your ethnicity and religious affiliation."

My ethnicity and religious affiliation? Sorry...it has to do with a forged date stamp. I think all your other points have been addressed above and elsewhere all over the internet. But it's true! I only condone voter fraud and intimidation if committed by the New Black Panther Party and The Nation of Islam.

kwesi

Gavin says: "For Christ's sake learn how to use the goddamn quote button. It's not rocket science, even for a dumbass birther!!!!!!!!!


Nope, not for a second. I don't believe in ANY kind of discrimination. Either way. In my world we all count as "one". We all bleed the same, we all cr*p the same. One each. End of. DO NOT try to put words in my mouth again. Ever.

But that comment sort of explains your avatar of the borderline fascist, borderline racist cartoonmeister.


He is. Whichever one gets it. Let's be honest - would you invite him/them/it to brighten up your bar mitzvah? No, didn't think so. Dull as ditchwater. All the charisma of a slab of meat.


And your point is....? I'll NOT interpret that as an anti-British smear. But I would be interested in the relevance of it to the "Obama conspiracy", or the price of sprouts or anything else for that matter. And actually I WAS born on a Sunday. In Britain. And I do work. Bloody hard!

Hi again, Gavin: I know how to use the quote button. It's better for me to copy the stuff upon which I would comment, rather than plug up the thread with confusing multiples of the same dialog.

You'll note that this thread started out as a comment on the forged date stamp...no mention of Barry. The admin came in and changed the title to some Birth Certificate/Barry thing, but had to change it again because it's not a BC thing. Barry/no Barry, it's about a date stamp.

kwesi wrote:
I suppose we should excuse the behavior because of race, right? Affirmative action, that's right! Only certain races qualify for a leg up and apologies. Prove your inferiority and admit to it -- and we'll make allowances and help you! Please.

Nope, not for a second. I don't believe in ANY kind of discrimination. Either way. In my world we all count as "one". We all bleed the same, we all cr*p the same. One each. End of. DO NOT try to put words in my mouth again. Ever.

***You missed the sarcasm, Gavin.

But that comment sort of explains your avatar of the borderline fascist, borderline racist cartoonmeister.

***Incidentally, it was the admin who gave me the Disney avatar. I've been looking around for the mechanism to modify/edit my profile. Help me out on this. I want to put a Neville Chamberlain stamp for my avatar. Do you have one?

kwesi

I earlier said that the USA had more important issues to confront than whether or not a datestamp was different or forged; whether Obama's staff or his political opponents did it; and whether Obama had any knowledge of it.

Can we move on to something important? Perhaps a thread on whether Essendon slipped a sedative into the West Coast water bottles.

This topic has passed it 'use by' date 12 May ..12 (oops 12 May 2012)

Please don't invent your own little system on posting.

The only thing confusing are YOUR quotes. You say you know how to use it - which I doubt - but please do learn, or just do it.

How birthing.com etc does quotes is their business .. HERE in the real world, we simply use the button that says "QUOTE".

Seems very common sense really, but common sense is not as common as many imagine.

Thanks.

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Neville Chamberlain, huh? Another winner...

And you are giving away your prejudices by using the moniker "O'Bama". His name is Barack Obama, and he is the legitimately elected president of the United States.

You don't want to use the quote button - but you copy the 'stuff' you wish to comment on.

You do this so as not to have multiple of the 'same dialog' which you say would confuse the thread ...

I do not think I will be on my own when I say that the method you use to quote parts of conversations is very confusing when reading the thread posts that you make and I would like to see a clear indication of what is being commented on.

This is very simple to achieve ... use the Quote button

Sorry to others ... but needed to get that out of my system

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Barry's last confirmed "nationality" is Indonesia, but of course, that's not confirmed either. He attended Occidental College as a foreign student. Do you know that? Nice of you to show your partisanship with a fellow Indonesian.

So what do you think of the date stamp on the draft registration card, purportedly filled out when he was a foreign student at Occidental College? You like that date stamp do you?

Yes, Barry is the legitimately (if unvetted) elected President. He can be legitimately impeached and convicted also for numerous high crimes and misdemeanors.

So what do you think of the date stamp? So what if it's fake, right? So what if that stamp is fake; it looks good on the surface, I like the color. It's okay!

I didn't, which turns out to be a good thing as a simple Google search informs me it's hogwash:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bi ... dental.asp

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

ETA: the only "stamp" I know of showing Neville Chamberlain is the caricature one on the German propaganda cards for the troops. I've got one somewhere so will post it if I find it, although it's unusual for someone to identify with the chap.

Just because joelk's profile says he resides in Indonesia does not necessarily make him Indonesian.

You are a newbie to these boards and do not realise that for years he lived in Spain, as he mailed me stamps from there.

And as far as I know he is not Spanish.

Your Profile says you live in Attica NY, which is interesting.

Using your strange logic, that means those here might link you with the Attica Prison riots - the most deadly killing of Americans by Americans since the Civil War, with 39 dead.

There too there were rumours by rednecks that Muslims started it all.

Totally untrue of course, but blow-hard rednecks never need any proof of anything as we know - just a bigoted hair-brained theory, and they never let up.

Food for thought?

No, not food for thought. The profile asks for city/country, so I put one of my cities in one of my family's countries. There are several Atticas in the US. You assume Attica, NY. That's the prison Attica. I'm in Attica, OH. That's the speedtrap Attica. There's an Attica in Indiana also. There may be others.

Meanwhile, I want to edit and improve my profile, but I don't see the route to do so. Maybe instead of Chamberlain, I use a Nelson Rockefeller stamp, in deference to the Attica prison riots. I don't think they have a Reno/Koresh dual cameo out yet. As for Joel, his name isn't Indonesian and I figured he might be non-Indonesian, but it was a good expedient at the time. I don't understand the tidal wave of criticism that he's laying down.

So I guess if you come to the "water cooler" to discuss a postal cancellation, you get branded a birther/kook/redneck/hillbilly/etc. as everyone strays off topic. Who was the administrator who put O'Bama in the title of this thread?

Do you have Alzheimer's too?

Please go read post #2 again on the thread .. it was only made a day back.

Correct! It reads as modified by the administrator! My title said nothing about any "birth certificate." Said nothing about Obama either. Admin "fixed" it once then fixed it again. My title was about a forged draft registration stamp and included an illegal link to a relevant article. We're now starting to waste time around here.