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It took 50 posts for you to figure that out?

The train of thought was that the document had to be forged because he wasn't an American. You're just talking about another document that "proves" Obama isn't American.

So the topic, distilled to its truest form, is still asserting that Obama wasn't born in America, therefore he can't legally be President.

Same sandwich, different bread.

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....and I'm sure Obama must be getting a little browned off by now at the controversy his documents are causing?

Huanga

We might get another letter from a President?

Though corresponding with Stampboards didn't help Sarkozy much

You're not paying attention. Regardless of where, when, and how he was born, the draft registration card is phoney. Forget all your other views. Is the card legit or not? That's what this thread is about.

I like that term "browned off". In fact, you experts on postmarks could certainly chime in on this matter. There are felonies and impeachable offenses going on here, despite your affirmative action inclinations.

Tell us, what are the eligibility requirements for Prime Minister (is that the title) of Australia? Suppose your candidate wrote an audio book discussing his drug use way back when? You think I'm smoking crack?

Don't tell me I'm not paying attention. The whole point of you asserting this card is not legitimate is to assert he's not American.

Are you paying attention? READ your OWN first post.

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I WISH YOU HAD HIM ALSO!!

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OK ... I will try and explain my thoughts this far ...



The issue does not centre on the card but on the cancellation - if I follow this correctly.

so the question should be ..



My first reaction was that the postmark was suspect - and I still hold that this view is possible.

However - having looked at these samples of the marks as supplied as evidence - I am not totally convinced that they are in fact the same cancellation device. there may have been two or more employed at the same office - in which case the evidence presented does not mean a thing.

The cases of different marks being used at offices on the same days, let alone within the same month is very high - and it is only when code letters / numbers are added that easy seperation of these items can be made.

American postmarks are not my area - but I may return to this later and see if I can compare the impressions.

For this evidence to hold any water, (in my view), there would need to be a lot more impressions for the comparrison set and all from the office in question - as there is no way to prove that what happened at one office was done in te same manner at any other - regardless of what regulations may have been in place.

nether-the-less ... intresting points on the cancellation ..

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There are no two-digit date stamps to begin with. Certainly not in the same small Hawaiian office with a four-digit one within two days of each other. And no one here seems to realize what the article said: paraphrase "the original paper records were destroyed long ago."

All of a sudden [2008], an obviously bogus document appears when now the Selective Service says it was destroyed years ago. The article further demonstrates how the bogus stamp was created.

OKAY!! The stamp is legit! Now let me go out and find a new unlicensed pharmacist.

Vote O'Bama! Vote ALL criminal illegal aliens!

As far as I could tell from what you linked to, they discarded the original paper records having microfilmed them just in case, so that a copy could be made if it was ever needed. Sounds normal enough.

And a demonstration of how something might have been done doesn't mean that's necessarily how (or if) it was done. See the plate 77 thread ...

Okay, so the paper records were discarded long ago. How do you explain a paper record appearing in 2008? They have microfiche records. How do you explain their refusal to produce them, even when official requests are made. Should be harmless, right. Like the BC, there is no official original microfiche record for something that never existed in the first place.

You're witnessing criminal felony acts by an affirmative action charlatan. Impeachable felony acts.

Try something else: Let's see if anyone can find a two-digit date (year) stamp from any other American post office for any other time in American postal history. Find one, off-centered as this one is, for any year, any post office from 1960 to 1990. Let's make a contest out of it. I'll award a genuine Neville Chamberlain stamp for anyone who can find one. Please, let's stop smoking crack.

Tidal wave of criticism? With one sentence? I'm feeling very powerful.

And Glen is right. I'm not Indonesian, but Belgian. As it happens, my wife is American (American Born Chinese, a concept that is surely mind-bending to you).

In addition, I have been working for an American company for the past 20 years or so, and several people in my family are also US citizens, though none have the obvious racial hate issues you seem to harbor.

Affirmative action charlatan? Criminal illegal alien? Please! The US moved forward on many levels by electing Obama, even if you disagree with his policies and actions, and there is no doubt he loves his country. It's prejudices and statements like yours that threaten to pull back the country and the world to darker times (no racial pun intended here).

As I stated - American postmarks are not my area - an it was simply a suggestion.

If the above is the way you discuss and reply to observation that you requested in the first place - then it appears that you seem determined to wind people up.

The result of this for me is that I will now consider carefully if I give any help or observations on topics / questions you may post due to the offensive manner you seem to take with all who do not agree with you.

ALLAN

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Kwesi, since you didn't answer here we go again:

And my daughter is American-born Ecuadorian whose mother is Ecuadorian-born Ecuadorian whose mother is Ecuadorian-born Ecuadorian whose mother is New Mexico Territory-born Lebanese.

I'm just another American from the Detroit BlueCollar tribe, sick of the Socialist BS that's destroying this country.

This Kenya Colony-born Muslim (and British subject before he became an Indonesian subject) who cheated his way to the Presidency is bound and determined to destroy MY country -- not his.

Meanwhile, you have seen a copy of his Selective Service registration card presented to us Americans in 2008, even though such paper copies are said to have been destroyed long ago. Thank God we have a few patriots brave enough to call out this P of S!

Meanwhile, it's said he went to Columbia U. Well, it so happens I went to CU and, in fact, I overlapped with him there (if he really went there). Isn't it interesting that no one from his class (NO ONE!) has stepped forth to relate all those anecdotes fellow students might share? Why is that? I went to Columbia -- I know the smell of BS! (a Columbia expression)

All you Socialist Obamunist apologists ought to come around here and experience the BS atmosphere this P of S has created. He's going to get his ass totally kicked back to Africa in this next election. You don't believe me? I'll bet you a Disney stamp!

Meanwhile, this thread was about a phoney date stamp on an official document. A felony. Do you think my attitude would be different if I were an Obamunist? Americans don't really care about government and politics, as long as they stay out of our way. That's the American philosophy! We don't need no stinking Government!

So do you like the date stamp or don't you?

You have consistently avoided answering any of the many reasonable questions people have asked. You keep insisting that this thread is about a postmark, yet your comments from beginning to end are just accusations and name calling. Go back and actually answer peoples' reasonable questions. We should send Obama "back to Africa" over a postmark, yet Nixon gets to resign for real and proven felonies. If I were a moderator, I'd ban your ass forever for your racist comments.

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Is this is the level of political analysis coming from Columbia U these days??

Columbia University is one of the world's most important centers of research and at the same time a distinctive and distinguished learning environment for undergraduates and graduate students in many scholarly and professional fields. The University recognizes the importance of its location in New York City and seeks to link its research and teaching to the vast resources of a great metropolis. It seeks to attract a diverse and international faculty and student body, to support research and teaching on global issues, and to create academic relationships with many countries and regions. It expects all areas of the university to advance knowledge and learning at the highest level and to convey the products of its efforts to the world.

http://www.columbia.edu/content/mission-statement.html

Every President elect gets the same conspiracy theory regarding their Military service or something involved along those lines.

With the experts and digital reproduction technology I'm sure someone could actually figure out if it was legitimate or not, which makes this a conspiracy theory.

President Obama was elected by the process that is in place and unlike Bush he actually won the popular vote.

Our criteria for Presidential candidates needs to be updated anyways. It was written by a group of Men that used to put on Wigs when having a meeting.

Cultural diversity makes the United States what it is and if the best candidate isn't naturalized, then so be it. Let the resumes decide on who gets the job interviews.

Just think, without the illegal Aliens, we'd have to drive to Tijuana for a Burrito.

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I have not followed it too closely, but can Arnie run for President as it now stands?

I recall he was hoping the laws could be jiggled so he snuck under the wire?

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No, he cannot. You must be an American by birth. He's naturalized. Many think that means you must be born in the USA. McCain was born in Panama.

But as he was born to American parents of a father serving in the Armed Forces, under the doctrine of jus sanguinas he is still American by birth, although there are those who would try to say otherwise.

But as for now, Arnold is out and he can't say "I'll be back." Not as the Prez anyway.

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So what's forged and what's real?
Did they forge a paper card and/or the date stamp?
Did they then micro-fische the card and destroy the fake card, keeping a fake old micro-fisch file? How long ago then was the fake micro-fische record made?
Did they look at and examine all the other cards in the micro-fisch records and show us how many cards were recorded and that every single other card has a 4 digit year date? Or did they just pick 4 that don't match?
Aren't the year slugs made of single numerical digits and not a block of 4? They say that the 08 must be an upside down 80, but the 8 does not look upside down to me - there is a difference between the top and bottom "o"'s.


I can easily make a fake one, look real and a real one, look fake.

This all sounds very silly. We'd call it "clutching at straws".

AND, surely, if it was all true, this would have been checked by whatever powers that be, more than 4 years ago and he would never have gotten in. Or even longer when he started as a polly.

Naturally of course, one man is to blame for all the problems the entire country has.

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While kwesi has argued that this thread is NOT about Obama's Birth Certificate, his very first post on this thread contained the following statement.



So by his own statement in the opening post on a thread he started, his claim that Obama is NOT a natural born citizen of the USA must conclude that the Birth Certificate issued by Hawaii in 1961 must be fake, and Obama was actually born in Kenya, or Zanzibar or on the Moon.

I find that given that opening statement that this issue is relevant, since as Obama was born in the USA (in Hawaii) any further discussion about other documents is simply muddying the waters, and was his way of refusing to respond to a legitimate query and "backing off" from the Birth Certificate. If Obama was born in the USA, and all available evidence (birthers notwithstanding) points that way, that should be the end of the discussion.

Norm

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Well we all know that the Americans never landed on the Moon in 1969, and the whole thing was filmed by Steven Spielberg on a secret back lot in Hollywood.

And all the Shuttle missions never took off, but the alleged launches were all photo-shopped using foot high scale models.

We have been taken as fools for DECADES I heard someone on Fox News say.

Fox? Doesn't match with your previous statements; those would have been made on the likes of MSNBC.

But really Glen, you watching Fox? I can't see you faring well with the Factor and would guess you couldn't say when you last saw the program. So making the "heard someone on Fox say it" is a cheap shot at the more conservative viewpoint. Let's at least keep it real.

And you forgot to mention that it was the US gov't conspiracy that brought down the twin towers, not Al'Queda.

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Kwesi, has it ever crossed your mind that you are being manipulated?

As to Obama at Columbia, perhaps this will help you.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/02/obama- ... niversity/

As to the date stamp, yes, it is different from the others you displayed.

If there was anything sinister about that difference, then Obama's opponent's have had 4 years , millions of dollars, and politically acceptable experts to ascertain what is real or what is fabricated. During that time, they have not been able to prove anything so the whole issue remains what it has always been- a political/racist conspiracy.

In Australia, if somebody believes there has been an unconstitutional action by a government, they can take said claim to the High Court of Australia. The High Court is analogous to the US Supreme Court. That is to say, both these courts are the only courts that have the power to determine whether something is within the terms of the written constitutions of our respective countries.

So, I ask a simple question. Have any of those claiming that Obama is ineligible to hold the office of President of the United States taken their evidence to the Supreme Court to have his 'illegal' tenure annulled?

We had a similar controversy here in 1975, when the Governor General sacked a government. It was within the remit of the sacked government to challenge the Governor General's action in the High Court. That they didn't do so speaks volumes for the constitutionality of the action taken, whether people liked it or not

I don't care whether you like Obama or loath him, his legitimacy has not been challenged in the appropriate forum. This is most probably because he was a valid candidate, something even the conspiracy theorists cannot argue with (deep down where they live).

Based on the performance of the Republicans (most particularly, the candidates), I think you can look forward to another 4 years of Obama in any event.

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Exactly why this is nothing more than a Republican Witch hunt. There are far to many avenues to prove whether or not this is a forged document.

I've already told the Wife that if Mit Romney wins the Presidential election, we're packing up and heading to Canada. After 8 years of the Bush fiasco, I've had enough of Republican policy.

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I don't even think it is a Republican witch hunt. It is a fringe group within the Republicans that is insisting on beating a dead horse.

Oz dollar is weak again now- you could come downunder!

Hope you enjoy Canada, Stallzer

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Forget the Politics, I'd move to OZ just to get in on Glen's suitcase sales that are too heavy to ship to the States

Tooler, I'd rather live in Canada than deal with a Mormon's policies. We already have way too many Bible thumpers making decisions based upon their Religious beliefs and this Man might take it to an entirely new level. We are supposed to have a Democracy here, not a Theocracy.

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So Obama is GAY .. I never knew that.

Hey we turn on Fox every time on the USA for comic relief. The presenters there all have politics way right of Attila The Hun. It is a hoot to watch the latest rants based on nothing whatever except bias and prejudice.

TRUE STORY. We were in the USA driving around the backblocks, as the results from the last election were coming in that evening.

It was obvious (to us anyway) that Obama would win easily, and just to be part of that historic victory, we thought we'd go to a bar to watch it unfold on TV.

We were that evening in a cute little place called Winter Park up in the Colorado Rockies.

Went to 3 different bars and *ALL* they had on the various big screens were baseball, funny football, basketball, tiddlywinks, or whatever sports, middle America is hooked on this month, but not one on the election coverage. I kid you not. In a country with no compulsory voting, it seemed no-one cared one iota. Odd.

We gave up and went back to the hotel with a bottle of wine to watch the count, and history being made.

The US system is pretty complicated, so we tuned into Canada TV, who dumbed the complicated electoral votes system down to something even we could follow. Nice and even and balanced.

By this stage Obama had won comprehensively, and it was just a question of by how much , as the East coast vote return was in its infancy.

We switched oer to Fox and the rednecks there were looking miserable, and saying "well to re-cap, a good deal of the vote is in tonight folks, and here is the red and here is the blue chart, but there MIGHT be still a massive swing against Obama of 98% in California, and he still lose."

I kid you not. Hey we gave you Murdoch (he was my first boss in Adelaide) so we need to take responsibility for the man, but anyone who watches Fox, and thinks that biased fiction is NEWS, is living in cloud cuckoo land.

Glen

It is because he is now backing same sex Marriage which currently is only legal in 5 or 6 States. This will definitely get our Bible thumpers all worked up.

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Well, let me put in my tuppence worth

Firstly, I think that Obama should hand back his Nobel Peace Prize as he has done nothing but wage war on all and sundry; censor the internet, drive 40% of the US population into poverty and 'gift' a trillion dollars to banker fraudsters.

Then after that he should front the International Criminal Court on war crime charges after all he did authorise a pre-emptive armed invasion of Pakistan, involving the breaking and entering of a private residence, shooting of an unarmed woman (Osama's wife); then the murder of an unarmed captured combatant (Osama) followed by the theft of private property and the disposal of the body etc etc etc

But power grows from the barrel of the gun as my colleague Mae Tse Tung was once reported to have said.

Having said all that, the US population elected this man to 'rule' them- just as we elected Ju'liar'.

This latest conspiracy theory is just that- conspiracy theory.

I suspect that some who post here enjoy going out with their friends on the weekend, wearing white capes and hoods

Can we PLEASE get back to stamps, postmarks, reperforated OS KGV and 'ebay bunnies'- I'm tired of this psuedo-intellectual/political/conspiracy BS!

But Osama Bin Laden did get to have a meet and greet with Navy Seal team 6, for a minute...



It's not mandatory to post in the Water cooler.

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If Pakistan feels it has suffered a U.S. "invasion", maybe they could give back the 60 years of aid the U.S. has given them and tell them not to come back.

Sixty years and billions of dollars, and the U.S. finds that Osama has been hiding in plain sight for five years in a conspicuously fortified compound. They should have captured him themselves.

If you had been helping a neighbour out of your own pocket for decades and then found that your "friend" had been harbouring the man that murdered your family in his basement......

True. but I enjoy the banter and the exchange of opinions. It is refreshing but ultimately it reaches a point at which the exchange descends into chaos.

I think we have reached that point with this topic.

Am I missing something? I skimmed this thread but didn't read it all in detail, as I can't seem to sift through the bickering without getting distracted.

Anyhow, considering that you don't need to be a US citizen to register with selective service, what does a postmark (forged or real) on a selective service card have to do with anyone being a US citizen or not?

(I know people like to look at postmarks, more power to that...but totally confused as to what any form of selective service card has to do with being an American...?)

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The Constitution calls for "natural-born citizens" ...people born to two American citizens. Gandhi, Mother Theresa, Hitler, Stalin, the Pope, The Terminator, Rubio, and Barry are OUT! Romney, Romney's dad George, Kennedy, Nixon, Lincoln, and I are eligible.

But anyway, this thread is just about an off-center unique2-digit date on Barry's draft registration form. It was faked in 2008 -- obviously. Let's stop playing affirmative action. Everyone is expected and obliged to register. If, at some later date, it's found you didn't register, how does that sit with you, especially if you're to be Commander in Chief?

Not true. There is nothing stating that you must be born to Two American citizens. That only applies if you are not born in the States, such as a Military child, Diplomat, etc.

Qualifications needed:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

Further clarified by the Natural-Born citizen clause:

The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen. The Congressional Research Service has stated that the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth", including any child born "in" the United States, even to alien parents (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements.

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It doesn't. 18-year-olds are required to register. If you don't register, you're breaking the law [boo-hoo]. Meanwhile, if you're running for President and can't produce a draft card, there's something wrong. This is why Barry's handlers dummied up the draft card in 2008. It's really simple and it's not about his citizenship. Barry was Indonesian in 1980.

As you like it! When his real birth certificate appears, you'll see he's Kenya born. When his real birth certificate appears. Meanwhile, the date stamp on the draft reg. form is fake. Forgery and fraud are felonies.

But Norm, he wasn't born in Hawaii. There's no evidence that he was born in Hawaii, inasmuch as he can't produce his birth certificate. The one presented last year is a proven fake, as you know. His father was a Britsh Eat African Muslim, as you know. [Of course, that's being questioned also.] It's all propaganda, Norm.

Can you please take all your evidence to the appropriate authorities? Then this felonious President can be prosecuted. Oh, wait! You (and all your fellow conspiracy theorists) don't have any actual evidence...do you!?!

By the way, by evidence I mean genuine documentary evidence...not conspiratorial claims that documents exist (like a Kenyan birth certificate or evidence Obama was ever an Indonesian citizen!).

I do love a good conspiracy theory. This, however, is even less plausible than the claims that the Apollo astronauts never went to the moon!

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Actually, this thread is propaganda.

Get over it, he's an AMERICAN and PRESIDENT.

Quit trying to support fabricated lies to prove otherwise.

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There have been dozens of challenges, none of which are heard on the merits (the facts). You're not following this closely enough. Look up Sheriff Joe Arizona on your google. That will get you started. Work backwards. Books have been written. There's no birth certificate for this foreign-born Indonesian.