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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 22:44:48 pm 
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USA is having trade war with China and this is why Trump is supporting the "peaceful" rioters in Hong Kong.

EU and Britain don't.


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USA is having trade war with China and this is why Trump is supporting the "peaceful" rioters in Hong Kong.

EU and Britain don't.


Oh no?

Oct. 2019
"The European Union imposed tariffs as high as 66.4 percent on steel road wheels from China, targeting manufacturers such as Zhejiang Jingu Co. and Xingmin Intelligent Transportation Systems Co.

The duties punish Chinese exporters of steel wheels for vehicles including cars, light trucks, tractors and trailers for allegedly having sold them in the E.U. below cost, a practice known as dumping.

Dumped imports of steel road wheels from China caused “material injury” to E.U.-based manufacturers of the goods, the European Commission, the 28-nation bloc’s executive arm in Brussels, said on Thursday in the Official Journal.

The anti-dumping duties represent the preliminary outcome of a probe opened in February on the basis of a dumping complaint by the Association of European Wheel Manufacturers. The levies, due to take effect on Friday, will last for six months and may be prolonged for five years.

The E.U. has 11 manufacturers of steel road wheels, according to the commission, which took the unusual step of declining to identify any of them. European producers requested anonymity “on grounds of a fear of retaliatory measures by some of their customers,” the commission said.

Chinese exporters’ combined share of the E.U. market for steel road wheels doubled to 5.3 percent last year compared with 2015, according to the commission.

The rates of the provisional anti-dumping duties are 50.3 percent against 19 specifically named Chinese exporters -- including Zhejiang Jingu and Xingmin Intelligent Transportation Systems -- and 66.4 percent for all others."
https://www.autonews.com/china/china-hi ... eel-wheels

26 Nov. 2019
"The EU opened an inquiry into whether Chinese exporters of this kind of steel, which is used in the construction industry and for domestic appliances, altered the characteristics to avoid the levies as high as 27.9%. The trade protection is meant to punish producers for allegedly having sold in the EU below cost, a practice known as dumping.

The EU imposed the anti-dumping duties for five years in February 2018, targeting exporters such as Hesteel Co. and Angang Steel Co. in a bid to prevent European competitors including ArcelorMittal from facing unfair price undercutting."
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Everyone can have an opinion. Same here if you believe EU is also having a trade war with China.

Sorry Mod for off the topic.


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I am always torn about whether I should share an image of a cinderella item but in this case I think it might be appreciated down here in the Water Cooler forum.

There is a little devil on my shoulder telling me to post it to the Monkeys on Stamps thread.... but I will resist!


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A particularly nice touch in the design is the brown stains on the walls of the house chambers... flung feces perhaps?

This came across my Facebook feed from another Stampboard member... but I won't credit him as he may object. :lol:

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Looks like a fairly decent representation of Republican committee members' behavior.
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Pathetic, leans toward the truth only I would say that stamp kinda shows the entire Congress, Senate, DOJ - a bunch of get nothing done folks! Someone toss a banana into that mess please!

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It is good to see that both sides of Congress still have a sense of humour.


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I am always torn about whether I should share an image of a cinderella item but in this case I think it might be appreciated down here in the Water Cooler forum.

There is a little devil on my shoulder telling me to post it to the Monkeys on Stamps thread.... but I will resist!


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A particularly nice touch in the design is the brown stains on the walls of the house chambers... flung feces perhaps?

This came across my Facebook feed from another Stampboard member... but I won't credit him as he may object. :lol:

If anyone is offended I will take the blame.


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Great stamp but the face value should be $55 MILLION

All them dems should be impeached for collusion, fraud, waste, and abuse. Toss in a few select Republicans for that matter... Romney for one!


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No mention of IMPEACHMENT?

Or is everyone just so exhausted they can’t be bothered to comment anymore?

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No mention of IMPEACHMENT?

Or is everyone just so exhausted they can’t be bothered to comment anymore?

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I asked the Bookmakers here 2 months back, what odds there were of Trump NOT being impeached and he quoted 100,000 to 1 odds. :)

Talk about the non surprise on the month. :mrgreen:

However good to see it on the record, and a shame that it will go nowhere in the Senate.

The house should be able to jail any President who blanket orders all paid US government staff not to co-operate or respond to the enquiry, as Trump did here.

THAT is subverting the system for sure.

Here they are called ''public servants'', paid for handsomely by the people, and hopefully obeying the will of the government at large.

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OK the Poll has run its 7 day chosen course. Final results from this early afternoon are below.

48% for Donald Dump to be impeached/resign/pushed/assassinated/die, etc (near a 50/50 bet) and only 34% voted for him to serve out his first full term. No surprise to me, anyway. Or to many globally, I am sure.

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The last seems the most likely! Then no more waste of money on election campaigns, commentators, journalists etc. etc. If China (and Turkmenistan) can do it why not the USofA? :P


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However good to see it on the record, and a shame that it will go nowhere in the Senate.

Agreed, but maybe a weakened Trump is better than an empowered Mike Pence in some ways? :?:

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Just to refresh some memories

admin wrote:
OK the Poll has run its 7 day chosen course. Final results from this early afternoon are below.

48% for Donald Dump to be impeached/resign/pushed/assassinated/die, etc (near a 50/50 bet) and only 34% voted for him to serve out his first full term. No surprise to me, anyway. Or to many globally, I am sure.

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He will serve out a full term 34%
He will be re-elected 14%
Will become President for life and there will be no more elections 4%

52% :)

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An interesting wrinkle in my original survey has now become apparent.

The options he will be impeached and he will serve out a full term are not mutually exclusive. I had not considered that when I listed the choices.


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Don't forget this option

He will be impeached and he will serve out a full term and he will be re-elected.
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Don't forget this option

He will be impeached and he will serve out a full term and he will be re-elected.
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The Dems are working hard, it seems, to assure this outcome.

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Trump Isn’t Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate
According to the Constitution, impeachment is a process, not a vote.

By Noah Feldman
20 December 2019, 08:35 GMT+11

Noah Feldman is a Bloomberg Opinion columnist. He is a professor of law at Harvard University and was a clerk to U.S. Supreme Court Justice David Souter. His books include “The Three Lives of James Madison: Genius, Partisan, President.”

Now that the House of Representatives has voted to impeach President Donald Trump, what is the constitutional status of the two articles of impeachment? Must they be transmitted to the Senate to trigger a trial, or could they be held back by the House until the Senate decides what the trial will look like, as Speaker Nancy Pelosi has hinted?

The Constitution doesn’t say how fast the articles must go to the Senate. Some modest delay is not inconsistent with the Constitution, or how both chambers usually work.

But an indefinite delay would pose a serious problem. Impeachment as contemplated by the Constitution does not consist merely of the vote by the House, but of the process of sending the articles to the Senate for trial. Both parts are necessary to make an impeachment under the Constitution: The House must actually send the articles and send managers to the Senate to prosecute the impeachment. And the Senate must actually hold a trial.

If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all.

That’s because “impeachment” under the Constitution means the House sending its approved articles of to the Senate, with House managers standing up in the Senate and saying the president is impeached.

As for the headlines we saw after the House vote saying, “TRUMP IMPEACHED,” those are a media shorthand, not a technically correct legal statement. So far, the House has voted to impeach (future tense) Trump. He isn’t impeached (past tense) until the articles go to the Senate and the House members deliver the message.

Once the articles are sent, the Senate has a constitutional duty to hold a trial on the impeachment charges presented. Failure for the Senate to hold a trial after impeachment would deviate from the Constitution’s clear expectation.

For the House to vote “to impeach” without ever sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate for trial would also deviate from the constitutional protocol. It would mean that the president had not genuinely been impeached under the Constitution; and it would also deny the president the chance to defend himself in the Senate that the Constitution provides.

The relevant constitutional provisions are brief. Article I gives the House “the sole power of impeachment.” And it gives the Senate “the sole power to try all impeachments.” Article II says that the president “shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

Putting these three different provisions together yields the conclusion that the only way to remove the president while he is in office is if the House impeaches him and the Senate tries and convicts him.

The provisions say nothing about timing. Taken literally, they don’t directly say that articles of impeachment passed by the House must be sent to the Senate. But the framers’ definition of impeachment assumed that impeachment was a process, not just a House vote.

The framers drafted the constitutional provisions against the backdrop of impeachment as it had been practiced in England, where the House of Commons impeached and the House of Lords tried the impeachments. The whole point of impeachment by the Commons was for the charges of impeachment to be brought against the accused in the House of Lords.

Strictly speaking, “impeachment” occurred – and occurs -- when the articles of impeachment are presented to the Senate for trial. And at that point, the Senate is obliged by the Constitution to hold a trial.

What would make that trial fair is a separate question, one that deserves its own discussion. But we can say with some confidence that only the Senate is empowered to judge the fairness of its own trial – that’s what the “sole power to try all impeachments” means.

If the House votes to “impeach” but doesn’t send the articles to the Senate or send impeachment managers there to carry its message, it hasn’t directly violated the text of the Constitution. But the House would be acting against the implicit logic of the Constitution’s description of impeachment.

A president who has been genuinely impeached must constitutionally have the opportunity to defend himself before the Senate. That’s built into the constitutional logic of impeachment, which demands a trial before removal.

To be sure, if the House just never sends its articles of impeachment to the Senate, there can be no trial there. That’s what the “sole power to impeach” means.

But if the House never sends the articles, then Trump could say with strong justification that he was never actually impeached. And that’s probably not the message Congressional Democrats are hoping to send.



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TRUMPY TRUMPY NO IMPEACHEY YET

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However good to see it on the record, and a shame that it will go nowhere in the Senate.

Agreed, but maybe a weakened Trump is better than an empowered Mike Pence in some ways? :?:

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Why do you think Trump will be weakened?

No doubt (in my mind) that his defence will be that Biden...a US lawmaker...has admitted to corrupt practice in his demand that the Prosecutor General of the Ukraine be removed from office; and that he (Trump) was simply defending the US reputation by seeking information from Zelensky.

I think Biden's run for the presidency will be 'dead in the water' after the republicans have finished with him during the impeachment trial if, as Gutters has described in his recent post, the Democrats actually send the impeachment notice to the Senate.

That the Democrats do not send the notices to the Senate is an option that is still on the table. The Democrats may finally 'smell the coffee' and accept they are in a no-win situation. They must know that Trump will probably not be convicted by a republican controlled Senate, but Biden's part in the Ukraine situation will be exposed during any trial.


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Hello maszki,

Ok, maybe a bit of nuance is called for. Trump’s core supporters will stand with him no matter what, so he will not be weakened with that group.

Trump’s sworn enemies will be against him no matter what, so he will not be (further) weakened with that group.

However, for voters in the middle, they will be subjected to 11 months of a barrage of attacks of the ilk “Trump is a crook, was impeached, was only kept in office by Moscow Mitch and his crew of boot-lickers.”

Consider the Christianity Today editorial. A tiny leak in the dyke perhaps but it might peel off a few votes.

Last poll I saw had 49% of voters saying Trump should be removed from office. That is weak heading into an election year.

As for Biden, you’re right. There will be a lot of effort to deflect away from Donald and onto Joe. It might actually hurt Biden, that remains to be seen. Won’t much help Trump though.

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This is all political theater.

The delay is no doubt intended to keep the whole mess in the news. There is no evidence to present before the senate not already heard.

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This is all political theater.

The delay is no doubt intended to keep the whole mess in the news. There is no evidence to present before the senate not already heard.


Nancy Pelosi does not want this impeachment. She was forced into it by the extreme AOC wing of the party.

I would not be surprised if she says:

The Senate will not be fair and so let us change this to a CENSURE.

Because - the Senate will not allow the theater that the house did.

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The smartest man in the world has nailed wind turbines, and proves that nobody on the planet has an intellect quite like his.

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“I never understood wind,” Trump said. “I know windmills very much, I have studied it better than anybody. I know it is very expensive. They are made in China and Germany mostly, very few made here, almost none, but they are manufactured, tremendous — if you are into this — tremendous fumes and gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right?”

“So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes and everything. You talk about the carbon footprint, fumes are spewing into the air, right spewing, whether it is China or Germany, is going into the air,” he continued.

“A windmill will kill many bald eagles,” Trump continued. “After a certain number, they make you turn the windmill off, that is true. By the way, they make you turn it off. And yet, if you killed one, they put you in jail. That is OK. But why is it OK for windmills to destroy the bird population?”


https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-attacks-windmills-in-speech-to-conservative-group-i-never-understood-wind/


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The smartest man in the world ... proves that nobody on the planet has an intellect quite like his.

What are we up to now? Six billion or so people? And yet I’m willing to bet it is true that nobody out of that vast number has an intellect quite like his.

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Is it possible the bald eagles have an even smaller grip on reality than Trump does?

Surely a flying species is capable of avoiding a rotating object? Or do they think the vanes are illegal immigrants? Maybe they should build a wall and get the condors to pay for it?

Perhaps there's some kind of unexpected synchronicity in effect? An apex avian predator and an apex American politician both needing to open their eyes to how things work.

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“I never understood wind,” Trump said. “I know windmills very much, I have studied it better than anybody. I know it is very expensive. They are made in China and Germany mostly, very few made here, almost none, but they are manufactured, tremendous — if you are into this — tremendous fumes and gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right?

Well, most of the windmills as DT calls them, which are manufactured by Siemens, are manufactured in USA in the factories of Siemens..., well, on the article, a lot of hot wind blowing from various directions..., i guess mostly around his head...

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“Many,” the figure Trump gave Saturday, is a relative term, and one he’s gotten in trouble for using in the past.

In 2012, Trump tweeted that “windmills are the greatest threat in the US to both bald and golden eagles.” In 2016, he said that “the windmills are killing hundreds and hundreds of eagles. ... They’re killing them by the hundreds."

There’s not great data on this, but experts have refuted this oft-repeated claim before.

Shawn Smallwood, a California ornithologist, told PolitiFact that about 100 eagles die each year due to impacts with wind turbines.

“Cumulatively over time, there have been hundreds of eagles killed, probably about 2,000,” he told the publication.

As with Trump’s claim for birds in general, the bigger threat lies elsewhere.

“In truth, wind turbine collisions comprise a fraction of human-caused eagle losses,” Obama-era U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Director Dan Ashe wrote in 2016. “Most result from intentional and accidental poisoning and purposeful shooting. The majority of non-intentional loss occurs when eagles collide with cars or ingest lead shot or bullet fragments in remains and gut piles left by hunters. Others collide with or are electrocuted on power lines.”


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Hello maszki,

Ok, maybe a bit of nuance is called for. Trump’s core supporters will stand with him no matter what, so he will not be weakened with that group.

Trump’s sworn enemies will be against him no matter what, so he will not be (further) weakened with that group.

However, for voters in the middle, they will be subjected to 11 months of a barrage of attacks of the ilk “Trump is a crook, was impeached, was only kept in office by Moscow Mitch and his crew of boot-lickers.”

Consider the Christianity Today editorial. A tiny leak in the dyke perhaps but it might peel off a few votes.

Last poll I saw had 49% of voters saying Trump should be removed from office. That is weak heading into an election year.

As for Biden, you’re right. There will be a lot of effort to deflect away from Donald and onto Joe. It might actually hurt Biden, that remains to be seen. Won’t much help Trump though.

Wishing you all the peace and joy of the holiday season!

BC

P.S. Oh, one little nit-picking quibble, Biden hasn’t been a “lawmaker” for eleven years.


Hi Brit-Col ..wishing you the best for the Christmas season...and for 2020

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out...I can't see a win for the Democrats. Whichever way they turn there is a dead-end. If they continue with the impeachment they will probably lose given the republican majority in the senate.

If Pelosi does not forward the impeachment notices, the Democrats will have admitted to wasting 3 years and millions of dollars on the impeachment process and all its machinations. Equally Pelosi's credibility will slump (if that is possible) because the constitution does not allow her to withhold the notices for the reasons given. The Senate is totally responsible for the conduct of any impeachment trial- she and the House have no say in it.

Trump is no better off but he will make mileage out of the Democrats flip-flopping.

Ultimately I don't think all this theatre will influence the election. As is normal it will come down to the hip pocket nerve and how well the US economy is doing; and the voters perception as to who is in the best position to maintain growth, prosperity and jobs

As to Biden, as VP he is still in the 'law-maker' loop depending on your definition


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For once I mostly agree with you.

I think the Democrats have lost the plot on this whole deal and if it were a poker game they have misplayed their hand badly. Probably best left to another thread to discuss all the reasons why. Disagree with you on Pelosi though - she’ll send the articles to the Senate but only after making McConnell squirm for a bit.

Having said that, impeachment is not a good thing for any president and I think it will cost him some votes, though maybe not fatally.

At the end of the day, barring anything totally unseen at this point, the election comes down to four States: Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Trump won all four last time. If he loses any three this time there is (almost) no path to victory for him in the Electoral College.

In Trump’s favor:

The new North American trade deal.

The Phase One China deal.

BoJo’s victory in the UK - reduces uncertainty which is good for markets.

I’m no Trump fan but I do try to remain a realist.

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The process of getting Giuliani before the Senate has begun.....

https://russia-insider.com/en/russian-t ... GqJgFDV3qQ

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I think it is very sad/pathetic that this item made the news. :oops:

What is wrong with some people who think this is so important?

Get onto more serious matters please. Very shallow.

Donald Trump cut from Home Alone 2 screening by Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Canada's public broadcaster, CBC, says its decision to remove US President Donald Trump's cameo from Home Alone 2: Lost in New York when it aired the movie earlier this month was not politically motivated.

Key points:

CBC said the edits were made before Mr Trump announced he would run in 2015 and before his election in 2016
Mr Trump's supporters have taken to social media including his son, Donald Trump Jr
CBC says they cut a total of eight minutes from the film

The broadcaster said Mr Trump's scene — along with others — was cut from the film five years ago, before he became President, to make way for adverts.

In the cut scene, main character Kevin McCallister, played by Macaulay Culkin, walks into the Plaza Hotel in New York and stops Mr Trump to ask for directions to the lobby.

The President's appearance lasts a few seconds and his one line is: "Down the hall and to the left."

Complaints about Mr Trump's absence started circulating on social media following the recent broadcast, with Donald Trump Jnr and the President himself even weighing in on the move.

In response to his removal, the President tweeted: "The movie will never be the same! (just kidding)."

He later retweeted an article with a clip from Fox & Friends in which the show's hosts discussed CBC's move to ditch Mr Trump's scene, with one commentator labelling it "censorship".

He also referenced a point of conflict between the US and Canada, tweeting about the country's Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau: "I guess Justin T doesn't much like my making him pay up on NATO or Trade!"

Meanwhile, Mr Trump Jnr shared a story that labelled the move as "absolutely pathetic".

Head of Public Affairs for CBC English services, Chuck Thompson, said the edits were done in 2014, when CBC first acquired the film, for timing reasons.

"The scene with Donald Trump was one of several that were cut from the movie as none of them were integral to the plot," he wrote on Twitter.

Twitter: CBC responds to criticism that short scene featuring Donald Trump was deleted from movie Home Alone 2, which aired recently. Spokesperson says 'several' cuts made for time. 'These edits were done in 2014 when we first acquired the film and before Mr. Trump was elected president.'

This was before Mr Trump announced he would run in 2015 and before his election in 2016.

CBC said it cut a total of eight minutes from the film.

The backlash came after Mr Trump on Christmas Eve told US troops overseas during a video conference that he had been honoured to be a part of Home Alone 2: Lost in New York.

According to Deadline, the President said: "A lot of people mention it every year, especially around Christmas. They say — especially young kids — they say, 'I just saw you on the movie.' They don't see me on television as they do in the movie. But it's been a good movie and I was a little younger, to put it mildly. And it was an honour to do it.

"And it turned out to be a very big hit, obviously. It's a big Christmas hit — one of the biggest. So it's an honour to be involved in something like that, you always like to see success."
Trump's famous cameos

The President's brief appearance in the Home Alone sequel is far from his only time on the silver screen as an actor.

According to IMDB, he has 22 actor credits to his name, including both film and TV.

They include an uncredited appearance in an early Sex and the City episode and in the sitcom The Nanny in 1996.

He also played a character in the family comedy film The Little Rascals, as the dad of rich kid Waldo.


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A particularly nice touch in the design is the brown stains on the walls of the house chambers... flung feces perhaps?

This came across my Facebook feed from another Stampboard member... but I won't credit him as he may object. :lol:

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“I never understood wind,” Trump said. “I know windmills very much, I have studied it better than anybody. I know it is very expensive. They are made in China and Germany mostly, very few made here, almost none, but they are manufactured, tremendous — if you are into this — tremendous fumes and gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right?

Well, most of the windmills as DT calls them, which are manufactured by Siemens, are manufactured in USA in the factories of Siemens..., well, on the article, a lot of hot wind blowing from various directions..., i guess mostly around his head...


Having been involved in this in the 1980's and 1990's we knew then that windmills didn't make sense BUT the tax incentives were huge and so... To quote a famous unknown salesman...

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Yes, Caj, and evidently the technology has not evolved in 30+ years...Clever post as usual, and no wonder Trump still has supporters.

Perhaps you’d like to update your knowledge with this article from Scientific American:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/pl ... g-cheaper/


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Yes, Caj, and evidently the technology has not evolved in 30+ years...Clever post as usual, and no wonder Trump still has supporters.

Perhaps you’d like to update your knowledge with this article from Scientific American:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/pl ... g-cheaper/


There is also this article

https://www.eagles.org/take-action/wind ... atalities/

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2006 11,603
2007 16,819
2008 25,170
2009 35,159
2010 40,200
2011 46,919
2012 60,007
2013 61,110
2014 65,879
2015 74,472
2016 82,183
2017 89,077
2018 96,665

Maybe an investment in US wind power might have been good! Vehicle units produced in America don't show this growth. And then there were the Chrysler and GM bankruptcies, bailed out by Uncle Sam.


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Yes, Caj, and evidently the technology has not evolved in 30+ years...Clever post as usual, and no wonder Trump still has supporters.

Perhaps you’d like to update your knowledge with this article from Scientific American:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/pl ... g-cheaper/


There is also this article

https://www.eagles.org/take-action/wind ... atalities/


And another mindless repeat of Trump's delusions when he claims to have knowledge he obviously does not have (how could he since he reads virtually nothing and relies on conspiracy theories others whisper to him, including Li'l Mad Vlad from Russia). This includes his inexplicable and not only dumb but downright criminal love of the coal industry:


http://theconversation.com/wind-farms-are-hardly-the-bird-slayers-theyre-made-out-to-be-heres-why-79567

Please consider the following article:

'Wind farms are hardly the bird slayers they’re made out to be. Here’s why:

People who oppose wind farms often claim wind turbine blades kill large numbers of birds, often referring to them as “bird choppers”. And claims of dangers to iconic or rare birds, especially raptors, have attracted a lot of attention.

Wind turbine blades do indeed kill birds and bats, but their contribution to total bird deaths is extremely low, as these three studies show.

A 2009 study using US and European data on bird deaths estimated the number of birds killed per unit of power generated by wind, fossil fuel and nuclear power systems.

It concluded:

wind farms and nuclear power stations are responsible each for between 0.3 and 0.4 fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while fossil-fuelled power stations are responsible for about 5.2 fatalities per GWh.
That’s nearly 15 times more. From this, the author estimated:

wind farms killed approximately seven thousand birds in the United States in 2006 but nuclear plants killed about 327,000 and fossil-fuelled power plants 14.5 million.
In other words, for every one bird killed by a wind turbine, nuclear and fossil fuel powered plants killed 2,118 birds.

A Spanish study involved daily inspections of the ground around 20 wind farms with 252 turbines from 2005 to 2008. It found 596 dead birds.

The turbines in the sample had been working for different times during the study period (between 11 and 34 months), with the average annual number of fatalities per turbine being just 1.33. The authors noted this was one of the highest collision rates reported in the world research literature.

Raptor collisions accounted for 36% of total bird deaths (214 deaths), most of which were griffon vultures (138 birds, 23% of total mortality). The study area was in the southernmost area of Spain near Gibraltar, which is a migratory zone for birds from Morocco into Spain.

Perhaps the most comprehensive report was published in the journal Avian Conservation and Ecology in 2013 by scientists from Canada’s Environment Canada, Wildlife Research Division.

Their report looked at causes of human-related bird deaths for all of Canada, drawing together data from many diverse sources.

The table below shows selected causes of bird death out of an annual total of 186,429,553 estimated deaths caused by human activity.

The table did not copy into here , but suffice it to say that wind turbine cause 1 in 14,275 bird deaths, while power line collisions cause 1 in 11.1 bird deaths, and our cute little furry friends (cats, combining domestic and feral) account for well over half.

Mark Duchamp, the president of Save the Eagles International is probably the most prominent person to speak out about bird deaths at wind farms. He says:

The average per turbine comes down to 333 to 1,000 deaths annually which is a far cry from the 2-4 birds claimed by the American wind industry or the 400,000 birds a year estimated by the American Bird Conservancy for the whole of the United States, which has about twice as many turbines as Spain.
Such claims from wind farm critics generally allude to massive national conspiracies to cover up the true size of the deaths.

And in Australia?

In Australia in 2006 a proposal for a 52-turbine wind farm plan on Victoria’s south-east coast at Bald Hills (now completed) was overruled by the then federal environment minister Ian Campbell.

He cited concerns about the future of the endangered orange-bellied parrot (Neophema chrysogaster), a migratory bird said to be at risk of extinction within 50 years. The Tarwin Valley Coastal Guardians, an anti wind farm group that had been opposing the proposed development.

Interest groups have regularly cited this endangered bird when trying to halt a range of developments.

These include a chemical storage facility and a boating marina. The proposed Westernport marina in Victoria happened to also be near an important wetland. But a professor in biodiversity and sustainability wrote:

the parrot copped the blame, even though it had not been seen there for 25 years.
Victoria’s planning minister at the time, Rob Hulls, described the Bald Hills decision as blatantly political, arguing the federal conservative government had been lobbied by fossil fuel interests to curtail renewable energy developments. Hulls said there had been:

some historical sightings, and also some potential foraging sites between 10 and 35 kilometres from the Bald Hills wind farm site that may or may not have been used by the orange-bellied parrot.
Perhaps the final word on this topic should go to the British Royal Society for the Protection of Birds. It built a wind turbine at its Bedfordshire headquarters to reduce its carbon emissions (and in doing so, aims to minimise species loss due to climate change). It recognised that wind power is far more beneficial to birds than it is harmful.'


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Yes, Caj, and evidently the technology has not evolved in 30+ years...Clever post as usual, and no wonder Trump still has supporters.

Perhaps you’d like to update your knowledge with this article from Scientific American:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/pl ... g-cheaper/


There is also this article

https://www.eagles.org/take-action/wind ... atalities/


Bird deaths?

Lets get back on topic.

The #1 problem with windmills is transmission.

In the USA windmills are owned by individual companies. In the UK they are owned
by the government and this allows the strength of the government coffers to allow
the transmission lines to be used by many individual generating units.

You don't just plug in a bunch of windmills to an outlet and plug in your blender. This
is the reason windmills do not make sense here in the USA. The power companies
control the transmission...... and if it made sense then the power companies would
build a bunch of them..... But they don't so the people build them for the tax write-off.

I do not know how it works out in Australia. Who owns the windmills in Australia?
Are the government subsidized? What areas can they be installed in that make economic
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I am in Nepal now and saw on TV an archive clip of Trump railing about Obama's then latest move in Iraq/Iran, and saying it was a terrible error of Judgement, had not been approved via the correct channels of command, stating it would forever harm the USA, and was all about Obama getting re-elected.

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Stupid, stupid, stupid! (Trump, that is).

Having recently been protests against the Government in Iraq and even Iran he has managed to bring out the crowds (albeit not necessarily the same ones) in unity against the US.

Seems to even be a suggestion that he is prepared to go after Iranian "cultural" sites- if he means ancient archaeological ones he would (hopefully!) be condemned by the rest of the world.

It is frightening to think that the ego of one man (e.g. Kaiser Bill, Hitler etc.) can bring about war, death and destruction (if we let them!).


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It is frightening to think that the ego of one man (e.g. Kaiser Bill, Hitler etc.) can bring about war, death and destruction (if we let them!).

Yes Dictators can do as they wish of course. Until they are deposed and/or killed - whichever comes first. And one or the other ALWAYS comes of course.

In the PAST the Presidents of the USA routinely ran such planned, highly provocative actions like this, past Bilateral House Committees and experienced advisors for input. On this he did not. Like his tweets - act first, think later.

I was in China today, and the official China newspaper propaganda bugle was front page warning Trump not to abuse US Power in the Middle East with such illegal actions as deliberate assassinations of Militaty leaders, or it will backfire spectacularly.

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I haven’t stepped into this Trump topic yet but feel compelled to now. I note the number of posts above related to windmills of all things :!:

The assassination of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani and the subsequent fallout from that is far more important a subject.

The retaliation will not be met with direct attack(s) on U.S. forces in the Middle East. Iran could not survive the very probable all out war. Rather, it is more likely that there will be numerous high level acts of terrorism against U.S. embassies, companies, etc. by proxy groups throughout the world.

Did the final decision to go against many years of diplomacy in the Middle East and kill one of the major players just a distraction from the pending impeachment trial, what do you think :?:

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I don't think it is anything to do with impeachment- this will not be passed anyway and his supporters don't care!

No, the problem is that the US public have given power to an egomaniac who just acts without thinking of the consequences- often the loss of life of many people. Of course, he is not the only President to do so- Bush Jnr. with his "Gee- I meant invade Iran. Never mind, just look at this swing"!


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I haven’t stepped into this Trump topic yet but feel compelled to now. I note the number of posts above related to windmills of all things :!:

The assassination of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani and the subsequent fallout from that is far more important a subject.

The retaliation will not be met with direct attack(s) on U.S. forces in the Middle East. Iran could not survive the very probable all out war. Rather, it is more likely that there will be numerous high level acts of terrorism against U.S. embassies, companies, etc. by proxy groups throughout the world.

Did the final decision to go against many years of diplomacy in the Middle East and kill one of the major players just a distraction from the pending impeachment trial, what do you think :?:


We all seem to suffer from short memories when it comes to the US assassinating, being involved in, or attempting to assassinate prominent people.

"We came, we saw, he died" comes to mind.


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I haven’t stepped into this Trump topic yet but feel compelled to now. I note the number of posts above related to windmills of all things :!:

The assassination of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani and the subsequent fallout from that is far more important a subject.

Tony, ignoring the time on posts, and concentrating just on the dates, there was only ONE post about windmills after the assassination.

The discussion on windmills was ON TOPIC just like so many other parts of the thread, which is just a discussion on Trump. The time has long past when anything he does is a surprise, and there is little need to drop all previous discussions when the latest gaffe is made.

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I didn't realise just how demented this man is.

From the New York Times (my emphasis)
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WASHINGTON — More than 2,300 years ago, the Persian capital of Persepolis was burned by a foreign warrior in a fatal blow to the empire and its rich heritage. The ruins of the ancient city, in modern-day southwest Iran, could now be on President Trump’s target list of 52 sites he has threatened to attack as tensions escalated between Washington and Tehran.

Mr. Trump did not identify which places the United States might strike, as he warned on Twitter that he would order — 52 in all, one for each American who was held hostage for the duration of the Iranian Revolution takeover of the American Embassy in Tehran in 1979.

But he said on Saturday that some of the sites were “very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture.”

“Those targets, and Iran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD,” he added. “The USA wants no more threats!”

Why is he going back 40 years to justify his insane behaviour?
The man is acting illegally, outside many internationally recognised conventions that he probably doesn't even know about.

The US has often refused to sign up to these, in it's splendid isolation sheltered by the Atlantic and the Pacific from the former centres of civilisation around the Persian Gulf.

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Yes, I think we have to be very careful about cosying up to the US as a "major ally". Just because we speak a similar language it is tempting to think that we have the same principles.

I was, for instance, personally shocked to see the killing of Osama Bin Laden with the American leaders looking on!

Let's face it- America's foreign policy appears to have been disastrous for many years. On the other hand if you believe in the "industrial and military" conspiracy theories - maybe not so for them.


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I don't know or follow the person who posted this thread on twitter, and don't know whether it is all made up quotes or genuine, though I am inclined to believe the latter.

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THREAD: Over the past few days, I've spoken extensively with career U.S. government officials as they've worked around the clock to try and mitigate the damage from Trump's ineptitude on Iran. With their permission, I'm sharing a small taste from our lengthy conversations. Enjoy.

"We have no functional national security decision-making process in place. We have no plan for what comes next. They are woefully unprepared for what's about to pop off, and they're too stupid to realize it. People here are freaking out, and rightfully so."

"We're still trying to dig out from underneath the last war of choice, and now they're trying to start a new one. I finally cracked open the bottle of scotch you gave me that I've been keeping stashed away in my desk drawer."

"I'm gonna call you later tonight to talk through this so I can go into meetings tomorrow armed with some sane talking points to insert into this clusterfuck."

"When did most of us find out about killing Soleimani? After it already happened. Since then, we've been trying to cobble together contingency planning on the fly, but these charlatans ignore most of it, and then Trump does more stupid (This Word Auto Censored by Board software!) that puts us back at square one."

"All Trump cares about is (This Word Auto Censored by Board software!) on Obama's legacy, sucking up to donors, and distracting from impeachment. None of this is about American interests or security. He's surrounded by ideological lunatic sycophants like Pence and Pompeo. But they're far from the only ones."

"So many of Trump's top advisors on Iran are military vets who served multiple tours of duty in our wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. They believe to their core that Iran is the reason why they lost those wars, and they're dead set on payback - no matter what it takes."

"They've been pushing to kill Soleimani for years, and they finally baited Trump into it. They think war with Iran is long overdue, so for them, this was a means to an end. When Iran responds, they'll tell Trump to hit the Iranians harder. You see where this could go."

"They know the Iraqis are gonna kick them out now, so they're gonna try to kill as many as possible on their way out. Iranians, Iraqis, whoever. Some of them are advising Trump to tell the Iraqi government to (This Word Auto Censored by Board software!) off and dare them to make us leave. I (This Word Auto Censored by Board software!) you not. Insanity."

"When I used your points about Soleimani's murder being a catalyst for Iranians to rally around the flag, they said that was 'Obama apologist bullshit,' and the Soviet Union forced people against their will into public displays of support. So apparently Iran is a superpower now."

"Trump is threatening war crimes against Iran, and none of his top advisors have the courage to publicly oppose it. Instead, they act like cowards and go on background with journalists to express their opposition. They should all resign. They don't deserve to serve this country."

"We have friends that are getting deployed into war zones, but for what? Trump has deployed 14,000 troops over the past 6 months, and it didn't prevent the current crisis. At what point do we start asking whether deploying troops is part of the problem rather than the solution?"

"The scariest part is that they're just making (This Word Auto Censored by Board software!) up to justify their preferred course of action. When we point out inaccuracies or question logic, we're at best yelled at or at worst cut out of the process. Most of the political appointees are paranoid, unqualified, or both."

"Last year, if you would've asked me whether American institutions are durable enough to prevent a Trump-led war with Iran, I would've said absolutely. Today, I'm not so sure. For as bad as it looks to you all on the outside, it's even worse when you see it from the inside."

"One of Trump's top Iran advisors got suckered into a honey trap, had their laptop/iPhone stolen and hacked before they woke up, and the White House refused to take precautionary measures regarding their security clearance. Ladies and gents, I give you the Trump administration."

In conclusion: Yes, folks. It really is that bad. I am but a humble messenger of truth. The voice of the voiceless. That is all. You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming.

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norvic wrote:
don't know whether it is all made up quotes or genuine, though I am inclined to believe the latter.


I find it interesting how often people support and propagate information that they don't know to be "made up" or "genuine". Worse still, people tend to gravitate toward "information" or "conversations" that reinforce their own beliefs or support their own ideas. Starting off with an uninformed opinion, seeking out reinforcement for that opinion from questionable sources, and propagating such opinions eventually leads to mass-delusional thinking. IMHO and with no ill-will toward anyone ~ the western world has become exactly that, delusional.

The world we live in is complex and rife with conflicting motivations between countries, peoples, and even individuals. It is a dangerous world. Many want our elected officials to bend to the whims of an emotional population consisting of people ranging from homeless drug addicts to brain surgeons ~ with the point being that the people who advise our elected officials have studied and specialize in relevant disciplines such as political science, global economics, international relations, etc. etc. etc.

The average western citizen is either incapable of or refuses to (or both) understand the mindset, motivations, and goals of someone like Soleimani; let alone his influence on Iran. For instance, a friend of mine has a wife who declared "He looks like Sean Connery! Why would Trump attack him, what an idiot!" To which I must shake my head in disbelief and dismay ~ because she is an active voter who basis her sociopolitical opinion on a person resembling a celebrity she likes. If you don't see the irony in her rationale and use of the word "idiot" then it will be fruitless for me to try and explain.

Instead of just bashing Trump, I cordially invite everyone to try and understand the motives and goals of the Trump administration. You may not agree with those motives and goals or the methods applied, and that is fine. What you should consider for a moment is whether or not ANYONE who has managed to reach a position of significant authority within ANY government is really an "idiot" or "moron" and whether or not the word "ludicrous" rationally applies to anything they do. In short, consider whether or not name calling and tripe comments reveal a truly informed person who understands the world beyond their doorstep and computer monitor (or) a person with a self-imposed delusional view of A. The person in question and B. The realities of the world.


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