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This rather ordinary looking 1d red KGV die II (spur in the left value tablet) sold this morning for US$710.



http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200732485945

Seller kg5collector.

The seller clearly stated in the description that it was a comb perf. example, all I can think is that the three bidders who chased it up to $710 must've thought it was the much rarer line perf. The slight over-inking at the base of ONE PENNY is nothing that special, and wasn't mentioned in the description either.

On a good day a 1d red KGV die II in one of the cheaper shades will sell for a couple of dollars. However, a line perf. die II is worth thousands of dollars (only about 50 have ever been found).

Here is a picture of a line perforated example (not die II unfortunately )



The differences can be a bit subtle for the uninitiated. There is an excellent Stampboards tutorial here:

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=12505

Have I missed something with this stamp, can anyone see why it went for $710?


Scott

Colour could be interesting!!

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KGV tragic

The December 1914 cancel means the stamp can only be one of four (main) shades: G10, G11, G12 or G13.

In the ACSC the rarer G11 & G12 shades catalogue at $100 each for die II examples, but in reality would sell for about $30 each on Ebay.

Scott

The Bunny Brigade were out in force on that one.

I sold someone here a stockbook of Die 2 comb perf 1d Reds last week for $2 each, in all the shades and papers you could wish for. And many were far better looking than that one.

Owner even had a Die 2 Salmon Eosin in there - or so his notes stated - he had them all sorted by shade and date etc.

$2 each was what he offered me, and I was happy to take it, as I do not have the time or energy to check such things.

The freak result above is your typical clueless ebay seller who just got lucky on the day I'd guess, with 3 imbeciles bidding like maniacs on a $2 stamp.

Right now he has a very large string of single 1d reds at 79c stamp minimum bid (whatever happened to the 99c minimum from here?) that this dope offers FREE SHIPPING GLOBALLY on -

http://www.ebay.com/sch/kg5collector/m. ... 4340.l2562

Now remove FVF and paypal fees, and add the MINIMUM $2.35 cost of mailing outside Australia to Europe/Nth America and he'll lose the entire windfall on this freak sale in the next week's sales. Each 79c single sale will see this clown LOSE $2 or so. And that is assuming the KGV stamps cost him zero, and his time is worth zero. WHAT a fine business plan.

And people wonder why I have my strong views on these dopes!

If they are going to light cigars with $100 notes whilst pretending to be dealers - why not just donate it to Charity instead?

Glen

I wonder what my horiz. OS perf strip with two Die I & II in pair would get on eBay (it was passed in at a Prestige sale last year)

I should try it..............................................................just kidding

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Tony

That's just amazing!

Even though it is close to impossible to determine shade through a scan, based on the scan provided, the shade seems highly unlikely to be G1 or G2 anyway, my guess (based purely on the scan) would be G11 or G12.... in anyway the stamp is no way single line perf.

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Alex

If you look at the bidders bid history they have all had extensive dealings with the seller, up to 60% of all bids, with this seller. A scam perhaps?

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KGV tragic

I don't believe it is a scam.

It was easy to find out who the three bidders were (search for their feedback number in the feedback record of the seller), and all three of them have bought from me over the years, always KGV material.

I have been contemplating e-mailing the top bidder, but perhaps it isn't always welcome news to hear you paid $705 too much for something

The seller has a very large number of low priced KGV items, so it isn't hard to buy a truck-load from him for a relatively small amount of money.

Most of his listings are single 1d red KGVs with price of 79 cents, so you can buy a lot of items and still not rack up much of a bill.


Scott

I remember seeing this and thinking wow!? What are they thinking.

I have a fair few die II's with the worn bottom frame also. Can someone shed some light on why this occurred only on some. The ones I have also seem to be a similar shade to the one picture

Troy

Those "pointy" perforation tips, often (I hasten to add not always) can be a characteristic of line perf., suggesting this may in fact be just that? I've noted plenty of line perf. stamps with that over-inking effect at base, also.

The unusual shade (very uncharacteristic of line perf.) appears to be a scanning deficiency?

It would be interesting to contact the buyer. He or she may well be top of the class on this occasion.

Rod

I think they paid too much

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I agree. Anyway, the chances of all 4 corners being exactly in line (like a comb perf) on a single line is very small. I suspect the buyer and the 2 underbidders (one of who dropped out in the $200 range) thought it might be a line perf too.

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Impressive technology, although I'm not convinced the two items are aligned accurately enough (the violet appears too "large") to be conclusive?

I'm certainly not convinced that the red is line perf; however, the sharp perf. teeth, particularly when compared with the violet, which we are now so conveniently able to do, suggest that further investigation would be prudent.

In a long philatelic career I've seen so many items canned only to later be exonerated that I'm instinctively cautious in situations such as this item presents.

Hopefully, we can see this item actually scanned alongside a violet.

Can an interested Stampboards member find a way to bring the purchaser of the item in to the loop? Perhaps the buyer is already a member?

Rod

If you take the printed image only and ignore the size of the paper, just use the size of the actual printed area, then those perfs do no match. They may be close, but I'm sitting at work and don't have my software to do a closer comparison with me.

Another thought, look at the size of the actual perfs holes in each stamp. The left ones are much larger than the right stamp.

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Great graphics.

But I assume that as one steel die was used, the image DEPTH of a 1d red and a 1d violet would be the same in every case?

If you re-size the 1d violet to be the same DEPTH of the 1d red, then the perf tips will not line up is more than likely?

They do line up in your image above, but the 1d Violet is noticeably deeper in size, so when same size depth, perf tips may not line up?

Will try that when I get home

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Thought's now?

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Just need to drop the violet scan at right down a tad, so the two images synchronize along frameline at top (and of course at bottom).

That ought to make the vertical perforation alignment interesting?

Rod

Rod both coloured areas are the same size as the violet shown by the pasted area on to the red at the left it is a direct copy and paste from the violet in the image no need to align the printed area they are the same size.

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The horizontal yellow line Glen has drawn a few postings above illustrates what is needed to meaningfully make the comparison.

The pasted portion of violet over red doesn't really further the position.

Rod

Surely,as long as a perf near the top is aligned we should be able to see a gradual divergence, if it was a line perf? Looks to me to be comb, based on that image. I know, I know! I am flip-flopping everywhere. I hope the buyer does a physical match and then doesn't regret, too much, taking a gamble!

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This is a new image

The two printed areas do not have to line up they just need to be the same size the violet has been resized to be the same size as the red

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Can we use another 1d violet?

On closer inspection, I note the example utilised has an abnormal, slightly jumped perf. at top. This is not contributing to a level playing field for the required purpose.

It's simply not a suitable example for such a comparison; rather it's tending to skew the exercise.

Rod

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Both these blocks are comb perf. Big holes & pointy teeth on the left block.




The stamp under discussion is a comb perf, I'll stake my house on it.

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Quite excellent graphics work GUTTERS.

I'll again bet my house they are both comb perf, and the optimistic bunny who paid $710 paid at least $700 too much.

Rod is correct that the pointy tips (i.e. big holes) MOSTLY points to line perf, but as The Pom has shown, that is not a guarantee in any way.

We know who the buyer is if someone cares to contact him.



Glen

These are all 3 images on this thread: Line, ebay comb and comb.
They have been matched to the pixel for size and the images straightened for alignment with each other.

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Greg your first red is larger than the other two

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I'd love to be able to run my trusty ol' perf. gauge against the subject stamp.

Don't think I'd be betting the house it's comb perf. until completing that exercise.

Rod

Assuming the printed area between the 1d and the ½d are the same here it is against my single line

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Bingo.

That is the exact difference GUTTERS.

Has to be VERY out of kilter perfs vertically to be a SLP.

Rod lost his house yet again.

Er, sorry Glen.

You won't be moving to Port Douglas any time soon (I know you don't like it, anyway).

I've had a bob each way on this subject, as my postings indicate.

Besides, I haven't had the opportunity to dust down the perf. gauge yet.

Rod

And I was looking for a holiday house Rod

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GUTTERS, Rod lost his house to me in another public bet already, so it is mine anyway (and the rent has been absent, now you remind me!) - but don't get excited .. marine stingers in the water, Cyclones all the time, your stamps all rot away in the unrelenting humidity etc.

Stay here in God's own country.

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I was only after a holiday house.
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But I do like to see how the other half lives every now and then.

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