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Bangladesh does not rank high in popularity as a collectible field, despite the fact that the recognised philatelic history of the nation dates back to 1776. (The earliest recorded Bishopmark of India is addressed to Dacca -- now Dhaka -- the capital of Bangladesh).

As part of Pakistan (1947-1971) the region now comprising of Bangladesh (then East Pakistan) witnessed a early provisional period up to 1949. Material from the hitherto East Pakistan are eagerly sought after by all "Pakistan on India" collectors.

Bangladesh emerged as an independent nation on 26 March, 1971. After 9 months of bloody war, the country gained victory on 16 Dec, 1971.

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8 value set. Propaganda labels issued by the Bangladesh Government in exile.
This was later given postal validity after independence. Usages, however, are scarce.


On 20 Dec. the government in exile during the Liberation War took office and the Director General of Bangladesh Post Office issued a decree ordering all existing stock of Pakistan stamps, and stationery to be handstamped with the words BANGLADESH in English and Bengali. A similar notice from the Ministry of Finance in late December ordered handstamping of all fiscal stamps.

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First day cover of the 3v Bangladesh Liberated issue.
Postal usage is not recorded as supply was low.


Pakistan postage stamps became obsolete on 29 April, 1971. Postal stationery on 7 October 1974. The date of demonitisation of fiscals can not be acertained but recorded usage puts the date to late 70s to early 80s.

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Bangladesh overprint on Pakistan insurance stamps.
Note the similarity of the ink of the handstamp and the office seal.
Overprint carried out by the company.


Little has been written about this fascinating subject. The first major work on these issues was done by Wolfgang Tornow of Germany in the early seventies. Contemporary philatelic press of India, the UK and also the USA featured articles on Post Liberation Provisional Issues of Bangladesh.

Beginning in the mid eighties, Max Smith printed a series of articles in India Post, the Journal of the India Study Circle of Philately. This is, till now, the most accurate rendition of the history of the overprints. Further works, especially on the aspects of postal history was done by my dear friend, Ishtiaque Ahmed Khan before his untimely demise at the age of 38.

I have collected Bangladesh Provisional Issues since 1993 and have exhibited twice at the International level with mediocre results. I was advised by the jury and collector friends, and quite rightfully so, to write more on this complex subject.

The working title of my book is -- Post Liberation Provisional Issues of Bangladesh. I would request members of this board to guide me through this Himalayan task.

If you have any material on Bangladesh handstamps on Pakistan; please feel free to post them here. If you have any questions, ask! This may well be a learning experience for the both you and I.

If you have any tips on how I should start compiling my data; suggest styles of citation...anything that can help me, I will be most grateful


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pothbhola, I know that a small handful of Stampboarders have a large selection of these (I only have the tiny handful scanned below) and plan on making a research project on them sometime in the next 50 years. It is a gargantuan project as I suspect that there were so many different handstamps, so many different locations, and no official records, that without a comprehensive collection of full covers with clear dates and locations, it is the philatelic equivalent of Hercules trying to clean out the Augean Stables.

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Does a catalogue exist on these Bangladesh opt. on Pakistan (1971) or Pakistan opt. on India (1947-48)?

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Surely yes - some catalog covers these overprints. On Exponet, there is one-frame exhibit of my friend:

http://www.japhila.cz/hof/0699/index0699a.htm


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Surely yes - some catalog covers these overprints. On Exponet, there is one-frame exhibit of my friend:

http://www.japhila.cz/hof/0699/index0699a.htm

Impressive exhibit :D

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This is an area that sorely needs a full treatment. I wish you the best of luck with it!

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While this is totally out of my area, I do believe a catalog has been published, although I am sure there remains a lot of work to be done.


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While this is totally out of my area, I do believe a catalog has been published, although I am sure there remains a lot of work to be done.


There are no comprehensive catalogues on the subject but a good amount of work has been done. I am in the process of preparing a complete bibliography but as it will take time I am presenting a short list of the work that has already been done. Hope this helps.

Wolfgang Tornow. Bangladesh Eine Philatelistische Studie. West Germany. 1973 (Monograph).
This work emphasises on the typographical analysis of the handstamps. He also tries to establish for instance, which handstamps are found in mint and which are available on stationery. A Pioneer work and quite useful till this day

Max Smith. Head Offices of Bangladesh. Articles published in India Post, Journal of the Indian Study Circle of Philately. 1986-1997.
Max Smith was the first researcher to postulate and later prove that there are similarities in Handstamps coming from respective head offices. For instance, he showed that in the Comilla division, handstamps from the Comilla Head Office have certain similarities; similarly he went on to show that Dhaka GPO and its subordinate offices used similar handstamps. There were 26/27 (can recall the exact number now) head offices, each having a "Family" of handstamps. This is a brilliant study.

M A Salam. Bangladesh Rubber Print. Banglapex Souvenir. 1984.
[i]A small but important paper. Salam, a collector and prominent dealer highlighted some important aspect of this field which can not be researched through solely studying covers. Although much criticism has been published on the listings by Salam, this too is a good start for anyone interested in this field


Ishtiaque A Khan. The Meter Franking Cancellations of Bangladesh. 1996.
As i have stated in my opening post, handstamps were widely used on a variety of philatelic and non philatelic materials. It is interesting to note that initially the words PAKISTAN were chiseled out from the meter die. Handstamps were often, also applied.

I A Khan has also has done a number of studies on the postal history aspect of the issues and is till today the most authorative writter from Bangladesh.

J Hawkins and R Stambaugh. The International Postage Meter Stamp Catalog. 2005.
Another important source of info concerning meter stamps. This catalogue is available online --
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Internatio ... Bangladesh


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Surely yes - some catalog covers these overprints. On Exponet, there is one-frame exhibit of my friend:

http://www.japhila.cz/hof/0699/index0699a.htm


Thanks Ikanek. I was not aware of this online exhibit.


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There is also a catalogue of post-liberation postal stationery:

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Postal Stationeries of Bangladesh, Manik Jain, published by Bishash Gupta for Stamp Digest, Calcutta, November 1972.

It's a bit basic. It lists at the front 41 different overprints without any classification by place of overprinting. It also does not classify them by type, so has English only, Bangla only, English over Bangla, Bangla over English and ones that have more than just "Bangladesh" all mixed up together. It also does not give any sizes or colours for the 41 overprints. :(

The rest is in the main a list of what Pakistani stationery he has encountered which has been overprinted - ie a basic list of Pakistani stationery issued before the end of 1971. It is divided by type of stationery, with the first Bangladeshi issues added on to the sections for postal cards, envelopes and aerogrammes.

Its main fault is that, as mentioned above, none of the overprints are characterized by size or colour. A lot of items therefore look like number whatever in Jain's catalogue, but might be bigger or smaller or in violet, red or green instead of black, if indeed his original was in black. You have no way of telling. :(

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pothbhola, I know that a small handful of Stampboarders have a large selection of these (I only have the tiny handful scanned below) and plan on making a research project on them sometime in the next 50 years. It is a gargantuan project as I suspect that there were so many different handstamps, so many different locations, and no official records, that without a comprehensive collection of full covers with clear dates and locations, it is the philatelic equivalent of Hercules trying to clean out the Augean Stables.

I wish you well in youre endeavours.


Norm, I could have written that post :!:

When I have completed the 1,900 different German Soviet Zone currency reform handstamp overprints, I will set about my "accumulation" of "Bangladeshi Postmasters".

My current estimate is that I will begin on the twelfth...

...of Never :lol:

BUT I will scan some of mine up sometime before that :wink:


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Does a catalogue exist on these Bangladesh opt. on Pakistan (1971) or Pakistan opt. on India (1947-48)?


Well, I have already mentioned some sources for BD (Bangladesh) handstamps. I do not collect Pakistan overprints on India but I have the following titles in my library.

Hope this helps --

Pakistan Overprint on Indian Stamps 1947-49
By Col.D.R.Martin Revised By U.A.G Isani

Pakistan Overprints 1947-1949
By M. Arif Balgamwala

Pakistan Overprint on Indian Stamps and Postal Stationary 1947-49
By R-Douhleday & U.A.G.Isani

The last book is by far the most reader friendly and has a lot of illustrations.


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pothbhola, I know that a small handful of Stampboarders have a large selection of these (I only have the tiny handful scanned below) and plan on making a research project on them sometime in the next 50 years. It is a gargantuan project as I suspect that there were so many different handstamps, so many different locations, and no official records, that without a comprehensive collection of full covers with clear dates and locations, it is the philatelic equivalent of Hercules trying to clean out the Augean Stables.

I wish you well in youre endeavours.

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Your specimen are all forged I am afraid. Here is what I think of them --

R 1/2 Handstamp reads Republic of Bangladesh. Service stamps usually have curious overprints but I have never come across this handstamp; it is also not recorded by Max Smith. I however, have a few covers, clearly genuine with the handstamp “Gonoprojatontri Bangladesh Sarkar” meaning “Government of the People’s Republic of Bangladesh”
R 1/4 Bangladesh handstamps with X on top is recorded from Manikganj Head Office. But this is a forgery.
R 2/3 I thik the post mark reads “Kishorganj. Aug 71”. Handstamps did not appear before 20 Dec 1971.
R 3/4 Telegraph cancellation but not necessrily a telegraphic use. Many post offices had lost their postmark and could not be supplied with new ones due to the war or the dire circumstances that followed. Postmasters improvised and used whatever cancellor they could lay their hands on. Such usage is scarce. The best of this lot.

I will try to compile a guide to identifying forgeries within a few days.


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There is also a catalogue of post-liberation postal stationery:

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Postal Stationeries of Bangladesh, Manik Jain, published by Bishash Gupta for Stamp Digest, Calcutta, November 1972.

It's a bit basic. It lists at the front 41 different overprints without any classification by place of overprinting. It also does not classify them by type, so has English only, Bangla only, English over Bangla, Bangla over English and ones that have more than just "Bangladesh" all mixed up together. It also does not give any sizes or colours for the 41 overprints. :(

The rest is in the main a list of what Pakistani stationery he has encountered which has been overprinted - ie a basic list of Pakistani stationery issued before the end of 1971. It is divided by type of stationery, with the first Bangladeshi issues added on to the sections for postal cards, envelopes and aerogrammes.

Its main fault is that, as mentioned above, none of the overprints are characterized by size or colour. A lot of items therefore look like number whatever in Jain's catalogue, but might be bigger or smaller or in violet, red or green instead of black, if indeed his original was in black. You have no way of telling. :(

All the best to you with your project. :!:


Thank you for sharing the image. I can not comment on the content of the book as I have not seen it before although I have had heard of it.


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Your specimen are all forged I am afraid.


Just wondering why anybody would forge these? It's not like they are worth anything, and they turned up in a junk lot so they cost me nothing in the first place.

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Your specimen are all forged I am afraid.


Just wondering why anybody would forge these? It's not like they are worth anything, and they turned up in a junk lot so they cost me nothing in the first place.

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If you look at http://www.malariastamps.com/mpi/handbook/Bangladesh%20%281972%29%20overprint%20on%20Pakistan.pdf there are many illustrations of provisional overprints categorized according to the Tornow listing.

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INTRODUCTION
When Bangladesh declared independence from Pakistan in 1971, remaining stocks of Pakistani stamps were overprinted for use in the new country. Gathering all existing stocks of Pakistani stamps from over 2,000 post offices for overprinting at a single site was unreasonable, if not impossible, so the post office department ordered each office to devise its own overprints. Overprint style and color were not specified. Each post office and several government departments, banks, and large commercial entities produced their own overprints or, in some cases, multiple styles of overprint. Prior to the announcement that overprints were to be handstamped, the postmaster at Jessore had had stamps mechanically overprinted, so their use was allowed until late January 1972. The Jessore overprints were not applied to the malaria issue. Several hundred overprint devices were prepared. The number of different devices used on the malaria issue is unknown. Numerous forgeries likely exist.

Although Bangladesh P.T.T. tried to make a record after the fact, only about 200 of the overprinting devices were accounted for, as many were by then destroyed. One person reported seeing on stamps on a cover a black handstamp with Bangladesh in a box, but in a deformed shape. The device may have been deformed due to local weather conditions.

Release dates for the overprinted stamps have not been published, and they likely vary per office. First day covers are therefore essentially unknown. The earliest reported postal use of an overprinted variety of Pakistan’s anti-malaria issue is April 28, 1971, but the order allowing the overprints was not issued before December 20, 1971. The last day of allowed use was April 29, 1973. Postally used examples of overprinted malaria stamps have seldom been reported, and postal use covers are scarce.

American philatelist Charles W. Drake collected overprint stamps and prepared a list. Though he did not publish a listing, an amount of his work is included in a 1974 issue of The American Philatelist. German philatelist Wolfgang Tornow prepared a catalog illustrating and describing nearly a thousand overprints, most of which appeared on stamps other than the malaria issue. [Hopefully, someone will translate the catalog to English.] Some of the overprints presented here are not listed in Tornow’s work, and some may be fabrications created after the proper period of provisional use.

Issues with overprints that are likely bogus – privately overprinted after the period of authorized use – are identified in Notes. Some of these are obvious. Less obvious are the fake examples created by using images from Tornow’s handbook to create new handstamping devices. Although some post offices reportedly supplied a certificate of authenticity on request at the time the overprinted stamps were sold, the editors have not seen an example.


I have never managed to get hold of a copy of Tornow's list in hard copy. So this is the most comprehensive listing of Bangladeshi provisional overprints that I have seen.

Without a fully comprehensive list, however, it will be hard to separate genuine from bogus issues in the same way that it is hard to separate such issues provisionally overprinted in Ukraine in the early 1990s. Some in Ukraine after all were made in post offices by post office employees and passed through the post - but never got near the public as they were produced for sale to collectors.

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Your specimen are all forged I am afraid.


Just wondering why anybody would forge these? It's not like they are worth anything, and they turned up in a junk lot so they cost me nothing in the first place.

Norm

Norm,

Some of the genuine overprints will only exist in VERY small quantities.

Forging the overprints easily turns a two-cent stamp into a two-dollar one.


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I have a couple hundred of these, and the strange part about them is that none of the overprints on mint stamps exist on any of the used stamps I have, and vice-verso :roll:


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I'm afraid I only have four covers with Bangladesh overprinted stamps, but here they are:

First cover registered from Temporary Post ffice KLN-251 to Regent Park, 22 March 1972. Second cover registered from Satkhira to Barasat, 12 June 1972, and looks philatelic!
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Third cover registered from Shiberhat to Dacca, July 1972. Fourth cover to Birati, backstamped 3-2-72.
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This is my only cover with these:

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Dated 3 APR 73.


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mikeg - That's a nice piece of postal stationery, used twelve years after Pakistan changed its currency from annas to paisa in 1961. Was the 10 annas accepted as paying part of the postage?

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Phil- you ask me? :lol:

I simply picked this up by chance.

No idea what rates might have been. But it does appear to be registered if that helps. Since the 10 annas is overprinted, I assumed it was sold that way at the post office.

After looking over my loose stamps, I have the feeling most are fake overprints, even the used ones.


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Ah well, hopefully someone more knowledgeable than either of us will be able to comment!

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This is my only cover with these:

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Dated 3 APR 73.


A cover with lot of character. This may have been a philatelic production but most of the pre-decimal stamps found on cover during 1971-74 are over franked. This shows the initial 80 paisa rate for registered letter to India. It must be noted that mail to India was considered inland.

Break down:

10 annas = 62 paisa
2 x 5 paisa = 10 paisa
2 x 1 paisa = 2 paisa
2 x 3 paisa = 6 paisa
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total: 80 paisa (20 paisa letter rate; 60 paisa registration)

The postal charge for registration was increased from 60 paisa to 80 paisa. I don't enough enough information to say whether this cover is correctly franked or has a 20 paisa deficit. Covers like this helps to provide answers to some of our questions.

I would also like to note the handstamp. Max smith Type 1A (bilingual with English on top); my EB ( English over Bengali. U need to measure the legth of the handstamp to make the identification complete.

There is also a line between the two words; characteristic HS from Dacca Sadar. The styling of lettering matches the FAMILY theory put forward by Max Smith.

Also note that the name seal was applied to deface the insignia; not an uncommon practice at smaller POs when they didn't have a postmark. This clearly is not the case here.


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I forgot to add...

3 April is a late usage of these issues and are not very easily available. THey became demonitised on 29 April 1973.


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Thanks, pothbhola, that rate information is nice to know - 80 paisa agrees with the rates on my three registered covers (two at 80 paisa, one at 81 paisa), and 20 paisa on my unregistered cover also appears correct.

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Sorry the Type is 1A (Smith) Bengali over English and BE (according to me).


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Pothbhola- Thanks for the comments on my cover.

I am glad I have something genuine from here :D

Have been slowly going thru my loose stamps, and find all
these are clearly fake, as on at least one stamp of the same type of overprint, there are readable dates which are too early:

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I will post more as I go thru them, but it is a slow process :o


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mikeg!
I am working on a small piece on identifying forgeries. Currently, a little preoccupied with some trivial matters but will upload some scans and the tips soon.


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Excellent Pothbhola :D

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