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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:59:14 am 
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Hi folks,

I'm having a challenging time plating this issue.

Aside from the Specialist Catalog, can someone point me in the direction of a detailed reference text for this iconic stamp.


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Do you have the Major Dormer Legge handbook?

Pretty much essential for this issue.

Just bought a nice wide imperf at side of this stamp from Plate 1, that I must find in the rubble on my desk, and list up!

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If you can't find a copy locally, I've a spare copy - relatively in good condition for its age.

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Thanks for that. Is this the one? If so, a little difficult to find locally! A Google search identified PENNYMEAD in Britain as one of the few sources currently stocking the text.

Thanks for the generous offer, Rod. I would really appreciate that.

If you're happy to do that then please just email me on windlewood[AT]hotmail.com and we can organise it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 13:02:28 pm 
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Thanks for that. Is this the one? If so, a little difficult to find locally! A Google search identified PENNYMEAD in Britain as one of the few sources currently stocking the text.

Thanks for the generous offer, Rod. I would really appreciate that.

If you're happy to do that then please just email me on windlewoodAThotmail.com and we can organise it.

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Yes, that's the one. Close, mine is a little dog-eared on the covers.

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The 1913 KGV engraved issue is the probably the most overlooked and under rated series of all Australian Commonwealth postage stamps. The issue has been overlooked to be include in our own wiki thread, a oversight I will start to rectify this afternoon.

There was only two small printings (2,295,450), one in December, 1913 and a second March, 1914.

PLEASE ADD YOUR SCANS

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I only have 2, but here they are. A previous owner has pencilled "Plate I" on the back of one.
Hope you like them. Ron
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Hi Peter,

I recently found these in a collection, no gum unfortunately but still nice!

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I put them on the KGV thread but any help plating very much welcomed

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These were included in the Specimen sets containing the First WMK Kangaroos. This one has the date DE 5 13 (December 5th 1913),but most have the date DE 3 13.

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pilot wrote:

There was only two small printings (2,295,450), one in December, 1913 and a second March, 1914.



After the die had been engraved and prepared the printer (Treasury Department, whose primary task was printing Australian banknotes) was told that the Post Office would need something like 500 million a year, far beyond the Treasury's capabilities.

That directly led to the creation of the letterpress version of the GV head, which was based on the engraved design. Needless to say, the 1d Kangaroo that this was supposed to replace remained in use for much longer than originally intended.

As a side note, an entire new stamp issue of engraved values was envisaged (to replace the Kangaroos). However, only the 1d and the 6d Engraved Kookaburra were ever proceeded with. Primarily due to the cost. The 6d Kookaburra was similarly printed in small numbers and the 6d Kangaroo it was to replace lasted right up till the mid-1930s.

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Caddyman this issue was the first attempted commonwealth recess issue. In the learning process that ensued, it was rolled in less deeply than the others. Stamps from plate 1 are much paler than the other three plates. I am not a shade collector but, these issues are a true ‘shade variety’ and of philatelically significant.

Lundy we will try and plate your pair as time goes on. I have ordered a copy of Major Dorner Legge's check list (hope they ship to Australia) to get a better unstanding of this issue and its plate flaws.

PeterS nice CTO

Just started scaning a block of 50 from plate 3 into wiki.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 17:23:20 pm 
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I have others, including imprint block, that I need to scan.

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The first entry in wiki.

Any comments welcome. Is this the correct format?

Plate 3 No 1

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Small diagonal lines above right hand wattle in NE corner.

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While in Canberra today was able to scan the Major H. Dormer Legge Engraved KGV 1d checklist and a lot more.

Over the next week I will convert the scans into a PDF file and enter the 100's of identified flaws into wiki.

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pilot wrote:
The first entry in wiki.

Any comments welcome. Is this the correct format?

Plate 3 No 1

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Small diagonal lines above right hand wattle in NE corner.

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Looks good to me. :)

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PeterS wrote:
As a side note, an entire new stamp issue of engraved values was envisaged (to replace the Kangaroos). However, only the 1d and the 6d Engraved Kookaburra were ever proceeded with. Primarily due to the cost. The 6d Kookaburra was similarly printed in small numbers and the 6d Kangaroo it was to replace lasted right up till the mid-1930s.


The KGV 1d engraved was very much a political statement by a new, conservative, Cook government determined to doff the Australian forelock to King and Empire. The incoming Postmaster-General, Agar Wynne, made it one of his priorities to expunge the 'republican' kangaroo and map design introduced by the outgoing Fisher Labour government, a design for which the former Postmaster-General Charles Frazer had been responsible.

Wynne's plans for a new series of stamps to replace the Roos largely came to nought mainly because of two factors: the Great War broke out in August 1914, and a month later the Cook government lost office, replaced by another Andrew Fisher Labour administration.

By the time conservatives were back in power, after the War, pretty-well everyone saw the symbol of nationhood, as postage stamp designs, in a much different light.

There is a sad quirk to the story. Charles Frazer was saddened rather than angered about the plans to do away with his Roos, but his successor Wynne was not to be turned, and in fact his intention to change the design to something other than the Labour kangaroo was his first officially announced policy (2 July 1913) when he took over as PMG.

Charles Frazer, who had not enjoyed good health for a few years, died after a brief illness, less than a fortnight before the KGV 1d engraved was released for sale in December 1913. He was 33 years of age.

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 17:25:13 pm 
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To add to the images I have this laying around the place somewhere, and can't lay hands on it now, but did scan it!

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That's a nice pair. If it is for sale can you please let me know the asking price.

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