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and I forgot to mention that all Americans that I meet are 100 lbs overweight and when they travel anywhere in the world all they do is complain that they either can't get their favourite junk food or that it isn't prepared according to their rigorous standards.

In the same way that all the Israelis I meet are warmongers, Palestinian haters, and self-righteous.

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Lovely generalizations!

The Constitution created special requirements for the US President in order to minimize the threat of foreign intrigue and divided loyalties. That's why it says "natural born". And, at the risk of all you would-be scholars and apologists, "natural born" means born of two US citizens. There's plenty of scholarship on this and I'm not about to reinvent the wheel to appease morons on this site. We're not talking about slaves, immigrants, or anyone else when we're talking about the eligibility requirements for President.

The idea, at the time, was to keep British sympathizers, perhaps born in Britain or anywhere, or anyone else with potential divided loyalties from usurping the Office and, perhaps, destroying the hard-won freedom of Americans. A person with two US-citizen parents is more likely to be loyal to the US Constitution and the Rule of (US Constitutional) Law than someone born to foreigners.

It's so obvious and transparent that it needs no further elaboration. What goes on in Australia and elsewhere is their business. But I find it remarkable that the Ayatollah Kockamamy or even Barry could become PM of Australia by moving there, hanging out for a few years, getting elected to some minor district somewhere, schmoozing politicians, and becoming PM, after which imposing some BS anti-Australian program. I'm laughing at the ignorance you clowns display in your refusal to see what's really going on with the US Constitutional requirements to be President.

And then some Foster's-soaked wassailer comes along and turns the conversation to ugly Americans traveling abroad. They made that movie a long time ago.

The President must be a natural-born US citizen and, if you can't produce an original verifiable birth certificate, you can't be President unless, of course, you're Barry. Most Americans fit the criteria...Barry doesn't.

mbg1248, I have taken the liberty of dividing your comment into four sections so that I can then agree with you in relation to Sections 1, 3 and 4.

Yes, I agree that there are some real nutters in the US- at both ends of the political spectrum; and Yes, they are incapable of putting a social face to their version of capitalism; and Yes again that Obama wants to introduce social change; these latter two points have not been successful due predominantly to the power exercised by the fringe 'nutters'

Where I disagree is in relation to the ' man in the street'. My experience with US people abroad ( it has to be abroad as I went to the US once and decided never to go back) that they are quite decent people, generally polite and interested in what is about them. The days of the 'Ugly American' is behind us.
Unfortunately the 'average american' is be-soted with the US government spin and is not really informed.

Obesity IS a worldwide problem unrelated to the US.

They THINK that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction

Libya WAS not a threat to US security

They do not UNDERSTAND that the Taliban is not a threat to US security

Syria is NOT a threat to US security

Iran does NOT have a nuclear bomb and is NOT a threat to the US

LIVE WITH IT.

[quote="kwesi"]..... "natural born".

The President must be a natural-born US citizen'

My definition of natural born, if Margo will forgive me, is that the baby appears from a 'natural' oriface of the mother.

have I missed something?

It worries me that one person can be this offensive ...

And before we get comments and quotes to defend the actions ... two wrongs do not make a right

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NEWSFLASH... FOR KWESI .

He already IS the President.

In other words,

That ship has sailed.
The goose has been cooked.
You can't cry over spilt milk.
You can't unbreak an egg.
The cat's been let out of the bag.....

DO YOU GET IT YET

or will you persist in being an offensive numbskull?

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Our leader and role model:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/a-users-g ... rack-obama

Didn't take the offensive numbskull long to answer that one, did it?

Greg

Sadly no...I guess he still doesn't get it...like the Japanese soldier found in the jungle 23 years after the war was over. Anyway, Kwesi DOES have the right avatar...he lives in that fantasy world.

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MODERATOR COMMENT:

As this is the "Water Cooler", things are a bit more relaxed here that other fora on Stampboards.

What Kwesi should realise, however, is that there ARE limits, and he is sailing VERY close to them. This thread is being closely monitored, and action WILL be taken as necessary.

The other thing that he should consider is that things posted on boards such as this will be on the Internet for a VERY long time, and HE will be judged by what he says here. "You are what you post".

Kwesi - consider this a warning. People on this site are not "morons", "clowns", or "Foster's-soaked wassailers". Please stick to addressing the point of debate - NOT the debaters.

Everyone is entitled to express their views on the water-cooler....no matter how wayout or mistaken.

We sometimes..Ok, I SOMETIMES.. equate the actions of the US government with the thoughts, actions, opinions of the US population. This is an error on my part. People such as Kwesi express their opinion and I think his opinion may be widespread when in fact it is a fringe view.

Kwesi view does not reflect the view of 99% (?) of the US population and that is how I react to it...a minority view, without substance.

What a bloody train wreck of a thread!

Perhaps it would be better to lock it.

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Train wrecks result from an 'organised' error...this is totally disorganised

maszki

The way you dealt with my post with quotes was fun to read ...


I agree that the water cooler should be fun and your post was just that ... some of the others have in my view overstepped that line and were not the sort that could be considered "relaxing and fun".

Maybe I am just allowing this to get to me ... so I am now going to have another warm (British) beer

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I like the list of Barry's credentials someone listed above, as if there's anything unique or important in that. Most people who attend college will show you their diploma. Barry won't. There are lots of lawyers out there, especially low-paid types like Barry. Wasn't he disbarred? His wife was. State Senator? True, but don't you also mean National Senator? The number of days served before the campaign started was, I believe, 143.

Kwesi, your knowledge of history is about as great as your knowledge of Australia. That is to say, virtually non-existent.

Tell the millions of Americans who cannot afford hospital treatment about how wonderful your health system is. Better yet, volunteer at one of the pitifully few clinics in poorer neighborhoods, providing free care, and then come and tell us how good the US Health system really is.

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Yes, you missed something. Why would it be in the Constitution if what you say is what it means?

Perhaps the same warnings should be addressed to the well-informed intellectuals providing the scatological counterpoints. Having trouble with the Queen's English are we? I'm sure you're balanced in your assessment of cuts and slights through here.

The point of debate -- the date stamp on Barry's draft registration form -- has been forgotten and ignored from about post 10. Now it's about Barry's Constitutional eligibility to be President -- maybe. Those who want to deviate from the date stamp should start new threads -- after reading up on the subject.

One thing I love about Birthers (and yes, this is a generalisation) is that they are utterly innocent of humour.

Norm

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And intelligence.

Greg

You'd be surprised, pal!

Evidence?

Norm

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Gavin (and other who are following this thread),

I trust that my response to mbg1248's ridiculous, sweeping generalisations about Americans was understood as biting sarcasm. I DO NOT in any way feel that way about anyone of ANY nationality, Israeli or otherwise. Given that a post does not have a "tone of voice," and considering the internationalism of this board I thought I should make myself abundantly clear, since sense of humor and debate rhetoric is certainly NOT international.

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I'm curious kwesi....are you even old enough to vote?

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I'd be very, very surprised if more than 0.1% of American voters actually believe what you seem to believe.

No discussion of issues, no discussion of policies. And you resort to gratuitous insult if anybody disagrees with you - presumably because you are intellectually incapable of using counter-argument.

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Spoken like a true foreigner brainwashed by Barry's propaganda. The high cost of the US system needs fixing, not the quality of care.

Last time I checked, BS does fall into the scatological camp... and that's what you're pushing on this thread

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Which history? My knowledge of Australia? Is this thread about history or Australia?

I ASK AGAIN: kwesi, are you even old enough to vote?

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Well, yet again, you are the person who first raised Australia as part of this topic. Are you now questioning that this thread is discussing material that you were the first person to raise. You can't have it both ways.

And again I will ask have you any evidence that supports anything you say. I would certainly like citations of your claim that 100,000,000 Americans believe that Obama was born in Kenya. But since you made that up, I don't expect to see any.

Norm

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And what about Canadians who use meaningless neologisms like "birther" who pretend to understand US law? Perhaps the Canadian system is like the Australian one -- any Mickey Mouse can become PM by hanging out there for awhile. A Canadian shouldn't have a dog in this fight.

I always wondered why we didn't kick the Tories all the way back to England and take the whole continent when we had the chance. Consider yourself lucky, pal. You could have been ruled ruled by the Obamunists today and singing a different tune.

Note to the Aussies: Canadians get really sensitive about certain North American issues.

Kwesi: What, may I ask, has any of this to do with stamps? This IS a stamp board as far as I understand it, the purpose of which is to discuss stamps and other philatelic material and items and to share knowledge about such.

I do believe that you are just trying to "rile-up" people in order to establish your rather inferior position --- but bear in mind that you are also exposing your lack of understanding. Many members may keep this thread in mind when you are trying to display your knowledge of stamps. Just a thought.

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Ah ... give the guy a break ... the OP is just angry because he hasn't got a job, and this is why he has time to post even during the middle of the night in his time zone.

I got some answers to some basic questions on the Australia system. Ask 1,000 Americans if they even know the capital of Australia or even find it on the map. I guess I should have started a new thread, but I just wanted to know if Barry could also be PM of Australia after he runs his course here. We have term limits.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147530/obama ... ptics.aspx

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/2 ... 55135.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... 03544.html

and several more here, including the above. Be sure to consider whose behind these polls and, as usual, birthplace is not actually the issue:

http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+bi ... =firefox-a

have fun!

I don't have a knowledge of stamps, that's why I came here. You seem to have missed the beginning, the part about the date stamp.

Kwesi, I suspect I have been around a lot longer than you. I have lived through the Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush (snr), Clinton, Bush (jnr) and now Obama administrations. My observations, from afar admittedly (but I do read extensively, something you should try some time), are that the US Health Care system has got more and more broken as time has gone on. Not because the quality isn't there (just so long as you can afford it and/or your Health Insurer is prepared to pay), but simply because health care is not universally available. The poor (including the working poor) have limited access to that same quality care.

Personally, I have never understood the seemingly manic attitude of people like the Tea Party to the idea of some sort of universal healthcare system. We have had it in Australia since the mid 1970s, other places have had it much longer. Strangely enough, the world as we knew it did not come crashing around our ears as a result. We are not taxed out of existence to pay for it.

All Australians pay a levy of 1.5% of their taxable income for access to public hospitals and doctors. I, like the majority, also have Private Health Insurance. That provides me, and my family, with access to private hospitals as well as cover for extras (like glasses). I have a chronic disease (Diabetes), so having the extra cover and access to private hospitals justifies the additional expense.

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And that is purely an indictment on your education system.

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Isn't that interconnected? If the high cost means care is unavailable, then the quality is zero.

There are systems for getting good quality healthcare for a reasonable price in use around the world. Unfortunately the US system isn't one of them, but it's not as if there aren't a range of tried-and-tested alternatives to model an improved one on.

Let's get back to the question of whether the cancel is forged. Given the depth of the conspiracy being claimed, surely a forger would have made sure the forged cancel was not open to question?

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Hawthorn - AFL Premiers 1961, 1971, 1976, 1978, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 2008.

Gosh, we agree on something. Now ask any Australian if he can find Montana on the map. MT should be about as big as some AUS states. Is that an indictment of the AUS educational system?

And really, just because Americans don't know anything about AUS doesn't mean there's anything important to know. Who cares about Australia in this country? Who cares about Assholistan when Americans or ANZAC types get sent to these places to die because of politics. When your Commander in Chief doesn't even have a draft card....

I've been around since Truman and I have six sheepskins from Columbia that I can show you (Barry can't). So, this is more presumptuous Australian piffle. Have you had too much luncheon wine?

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On that very wise Indian note, I think we will lock this thread.

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