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Thanks for the info Greg & Neville.
Appreciate the help.

Just threw the SQ under the distance-ometer ( ), and it measures 25mm vertically, and 26mm horizontally.

Greg, I can quite clearly see the difference in the shape of the D's, however unfortunately I cant help with any further strikes of this type for comparison.

Cheers.
Mal.

Not so surprising, Browny. I collect the wretched things and only have those two pathetic specimens. (That I can find, anyway!)

Greg

Hi all

I found this ratty 1/2 green roo with a SA square circle postmark.

Looks like 'Moonta Mines' to me. Never heard of it



Does this hold any interest?

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Moonta Mines is known used from 1895 to 1924. (Overton's book lists it as 1891 to 1920, but the early date seems to be an error and more recent ones have been discovered.)

The postmark is common, especially (like yours) with no index number.

But it is an attractive strike of the cancel. Squared circles look great on light-coloured stamps.

By the way, I thought that mark under the Y of PENNY might help me plate the stamp, but it isn't listed.

Greg

thanks for reply

This is a great website / group ....... ask any question and somebody takes the time to give an informed answer. ty.

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a favourite..




shame about the faults, but still nice to look at

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This has absolutely nothing to do with squared circle postmarks, but if post it here I know some of our US and Canadian members will find it.

I will be in Canada judging at Royal 2009 exhibition at St Catharines from June 12 to 14 and I will be around the place from June 9 to 15. If any of you can get to the ehibition I would be happy to meet you.

Tony.

Nice Commonwealth period use on official Reg'd mail.

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If that Correspondence Office cancel were a squared circle, I'd be offering you a lot of money for that cover!

Greg

Greg, give me 5 minutes with a fine point marker pen and we can talk business.

Hi All,

Have been sorting thru a batch of reds and not being an avid postmark collector have little idea or references to this SA squared cancel. I think it's (R)KOPPIC/(R)KOPPIO ??.. any ideas on name and where this place is,rating,value etc.
Any help appreciated.



Regards heldo1

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Hi Heldo1,

I think it's KIPPIO 23 km form Temby Bay about 217 miles west of Adelaide.
value ??? rating ???
Sorry I can not be of more help.

Best regards David

Yes, Koppio type 2, known used from 1905 to 1930. Not at all easy to find. I'd expect it to sell for $50-100 or even more.

Greg

Hi David,

I assume you meant KOPPIO ....Greg has issued follow up info...thank you very much.

It's even on a very nice shade of Deep Orange Red G24 1/2 ( Very Deep purple brown UV reaction and with absolutely no blue in the daylight colour ) Will go into the shade reference library

Nice to know it's a bit scarce and worth a few $'s.

Makes being a member of Stampboards very rewarding at times.

As Glen always says "Knowlede Is King"

By the way David,I haven't forgotten about the scanner.

I have the new one and trying to get it up and running.

A Canon LIDE200 ...and having trouble with the resolution ( manual says it will scan to 4800x4800 but on my system it will only allow 600dpi ).

This is no better than the one I used to scan the KOPPIO.

Perhaps I need an upgrade?

Oh well back to the manual

regards heldo1

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Hi Heldo,

You are correct I meant to type KO and I hit the wrong key next to it and it came out KI. Will catch up with you about the scanner.

Best regards David

Hi

I saw this at the beginning of this thread and would be very interested to know progress on this much awaited book??

Thanks

Tony Martin

Hi

Can anyone of the very knowledgeable members of this group tell me more about the "index" numbers that appear on many of these postmarks.

Are they all different hammers or is it just the same hammer with an alterable number like the date only signifying something like time of day or delivery or somesuch??

thanks

Tony

The same hammer with a changeable number. I've never seen a cogent explanation for them. Cox, in his book South Australia: The Squared Circle Cancellations calls them "time markings," but it is pretty clear that there was more going on than that.

I think the index numbers are a lot of fun. Some of them are rarities in their own right. Aberdeen is a pretty common squared circle. You can easily find it without an index number or with a 1. But try finding it with a 2 or a 4. It has also been reported with a 0. If 0, 1, 2, and 4 exist, there's probably a 3 out there waiting to be discovered.

Greg

Hi Greg

Thanks for that.

Indeed they are fun and certainly add additional spice to the collecting thereof. I already make it difficult for myself by collecting on cover/postcard only!!

Strangely enough with the Aberdeen I have it with a blank and a 2 but not a 1!!!!

regards

Tony

Could you post a scan of the one with the 2?

I notice your avatar is a NZ squared circle. Those guys are fun, too. Lots and lots of rare ones to look for. Is there a more recent reference on them than Robinson's Squared Circle Cancellations of New Zealand?

Greg

Hi Greg

The most recent I am aware of is by Pat Capill from 1979.

Here's the scan of the Aberdeen but on closer inspection I think it is more an ink blotch. (well I tried but don't seem to be able to upload the image it just comes up img/img - no browse or anything like that!!)

Hi All,

Thought I would post a scan of what I believe is the only known Burra Station squared circle postmark which was used at Redruth Telegraph Office. My apologies for the quality, I took a photocopy when it was discovered some years ago.





The story behind it is a sporting team mate collected Post Cards and was always asking me if Postmarks he had found were scarce, so I donated him a spare copy of Overton's book.

A few weeks later he asked me if a Burra Station was any good, as it wasn't in Overton. I told him he was probably misreading it, not having heard of it and asked him to bring it in to show me. He had found it on a Telegram in an old box of correspondence belonging to his Brother in law. It was the only Postmark in the correspondence.

Well the Telegram went back in the box, and is still there, despite my making a number of increasingly generous offers over the years..............

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Lovely piece Steve. Note the manuscript "4" in date, and anyone's guess what YEAR it was unless the MS note on docket said 1894 ... indeed maybe that is what the hand written 4 was there for?

Neat! I love how new ones keep turning up.

Could you please measure the diameter of the circle (in mm)?

Thanks.

The fact that it's on a telegraph form dated 1894 is a big hint.

Greg

Does your friend realize that that thing would sell for well over $1,000?

Greg

Hi Greg,

I am measuring off a photocopy, but looks to be quite accurately 25mm. Looking back at my files on the computer I did some scans for Martin W. back in 2001, so it has been stuck back in the box 8 years now, one hopes that it does not end up forgotten and disposed of in time.

Steve

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Hi Greg,

I actually told him I thought it could well fetch $2,000.00 at auction, but it is being retained as a family heirloom.

Steve

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I'll beg to differ from both of you on this, the telegram is dated 4th July, 1894, I think the manuscript 4 being in line with the JY may refer to the day, and they have been too lazy to worry about the year.

Steve

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I once came across a rare Canadian squared circle on a postcard. The guy who owned it was determined to give the card to his postcard-collecting girlfriend. When I offered him a sizable amount of cash for it, he became even more determined to give it to her.

I'd simply had the effect of making a minor gift into something more significant. I have no idea if he told the girlfriend that the postmark was rare. (I also managed to get a photocopy of it.)

I wasn't suggesting that the 4 on the postmark was meant to be the year -- just that the year on the form itself is very clear.

Greg

I have posted my Squared Circle Collection.

The only one I can find on Premier is OLARY. (rated X) I don't think its that dirty.



The 4 together are all Forrest Range.

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The last recorded date of Forest Range is 1915, so your top one is a new LRD. Could you show us the dates of the other ones? Do any of them have index numbers? From what I can see, all four of yours are nicer than the three in my collection, and I'd be happy to trade you something for one of them. (The stamp is rated RR -- hard to find but turns up every so often.)

The second one is Eden Valley. Rated R. Not hard to find and the postmaster seems to have been careful to hit the stamps squarely, so the cancel is usually really clear and well-centred. Known used 1907 to 1937.

The third one is Olary. Also rated RR, but seems to turn up pretty often. Known used 1901 to 1926.

Greg

Greg,

Here's the 4 Forrest Range. That latest recorded date (Mr 8 - 16) didn't last long.



I also have this one. It is a little faint but could be Cooks Plain.

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Hmmm. The other three Forest Ranges are 1915 to my eyes.

That Coo... postmark is intriguing.

It doesn't seem to be Cookes' Plain. It seems to start COOKS -- and there's no SA town that starts with those letters.

Here are the SA postmarks I have from that period starting COO or GOO:



Cookes' Plains, Coonalpyn, Coonawarra, Goodwood, Goolwa

The only one I don't have is Coondambo. I don't see that your postmark matches any of those.

Other SA Coo... towns where there are no known squared circles are (asterisk indicates post offices that were open in some approximation of the right era):

Coober Pedy
* Coobowie
Cooinda
Cook
Coolamon
Coolatoo
* Coolcha
Coolibah
Cooltong
Coomalie Creek
* Coomandook
Coomaroo
Coombe
Coomunga
Coonarie
Coonatto
* Coongie
Coontapoo
Coopers Creek
* Coorabie
Coorong
Cootra
Cootra East

The equivalent G list isn't very helpful:

Goolparla
Goodwood Park
Goolwa Barrage
Goondooloo

Greg

Cockburn

Sigh. Of course.

Hi!

After reading a bit in this squared circle thread I took my stockbooks and looked a bit through them. I could find a few ones on my KGV and roo issues. I have no literatue about them so i thought I might show them! Here are the pictures! I`m very thankfull about any info about rating, identification, dates....











I could also send som closer scans!

best wishes

Greg .. my money is on 16 not 15.

Hi!

I now saw, that the pictures are a bit too small to identify!

I took ppa side and tried to find out more! Any ideas of the rating?

1. scan:

4d KGV - Glencoe 20 SE 1918
4d KGV - Keith 17 SE 1917
3d KGV - Stone Hut 25 MR 1925
1 1/2d green KGV - Langhornes
1 1/2d green KGV - Angaston MY 192?
1 1/2d red KGV - Ko? 5 NO 1924
2d orange KGV - Basket Range
2d orange KGV - Melrose 30 NO 1920
2d orange KGV - ?da
2d red KGV - Aberdeen 3 MY
2d red KGV - ?hton 18 MY 1923
2d orange KGV - Basket Range 6 JA 192?
1/2d green KGV - Wana?
1/2d green KGV - Laura 8 FE 1916
1/2d green KGV - ?
1/2d green KGV - ?Railway
1/2d green KGV - Eudunda JA 1916
1/2d green KGV - Red Hill 9 NO 1915

2. scan:

1d red KGV - Eudunda 7 MR 1918
1d red KGV - Basket Range 31 MY 1917
1d red KGV - Basket Range 8 MR 1917
1d red KGV - Basket Range 8 DE 1915/1916?
1d red KGV - Belair 12 FE 1915
1d red KGV - Kilkenny 2 JY 1917
1d red KGV - ?gn
1d red KGV - Bagot`s Well 2 MR 1915/1916?
1d red KGV - Basket Range 2 JY 1915
1d red KGV - ?
1d red KGV - Coromandel Valley
1d red KGV - Wilmington 2 JU 1915
1d red KGV - Curramulka 14 DE 1914
1d red KGV - ?
1d red KGV - Eudunda AP 1921
1d red KGV - ?wood 26 NO 1914

3. scan:

1d red KGV - Angle Vale 4 MY 191?
1 1/2d red KGV - Langhorne`s Creek 1929
1 1/2d red KGV - Langhorne`s Creek
1 1/2d red KGV - Langhorne`s Creek
1 1/2d red KGV - Langhorne`s Creek AU 1928

4. scan:

2d brown KGV - Port Cl? 13 JA 1925
1 1/2d brown KGV - Gaw? 2 JY 1920
1d Postage Due - Port Adelaide 20 AP 1909?

5. scan:

1d roo small OS - Wakefield 3 MY 1915
2d roo small OS - WA? 2? FE 1917
3d roo small OS - ?ay 10 JY 1918
1d roo - Hummocks Hill 27 MY 1914
1d roo - Pinnaroo JA 1915
1d roo - Eudunda
6d blue roo - Gra?
6d blue roo - Rundle St?
2 1/2d roo - Port Elliot 1919
3d roo - Hindmarsh Island 18 JU 1917
6d blue roo - ?
1d roo large OS - Lobethal
2d roo large OS (pair) - Morphett Vale 10 SE 1913
2d roo large OS - ?lincol?
9d roo - ?ton
Canberra 1927 - Port Broughton 11 JU 1927
Stuart - Owen 27 Ju 1930

and I found one other stamp, a 2d KGV CofA wmk with Lords postmark.

Perhaps someone can help me with rating?

Josto - as always 5 or 6 stamps at a time - in LARGE size, will be easier for anyone to assist.

Josto -- for the ones you can identify, please give us a list in alphabetical order so they're easier to look up. And post the ones you can't identify in batches of four or six. I'm just not willing to spend the couple of hours it would take to look it all up in its present scrambled format.

HiGreg,

thanks for your offer!

Here is an alphabetical order of those I can identify:

2d red KGV - Aberdeen 3 MY
1 1/2d green KGV - Angaston MY 192?
1d red KGV - Angle Vale 4 MY 191?
1d red KGV - Bagot`s Well 2 MR 1915/1916?
2d orange KGV - Basket Range
2d orange KGV - Basket Range 6 JA 192?
1d red KGV - Basket Range 31 MY 1917
1d red KGV - Basket Range 8 MR 1917
1d red KGV - Basket Range 8 DE 1915/1916?
1d red KGV - Basket Range 2 JY 1915
1/d green KGV - Basket Range 1 NO 1918
1 1/2d brown KGV - Basket Range 14 FE 1920
1d red KGV - Belair 12 FE 1915
5d KGV - Belalie
1/2d green KGV - Birkenhead
1d red KGV - Coromandel Valley
1d red KGV - Curramulka 14 DE 1914
1/2d green KGV - Eudunda JA 1916
1d red KGV - Eudunda 7 MR 1918
1d red KGV - Eudunda AP 1921
1d roo - Eudunda
4d KGV - Glencoe 20 SE 1918
3d roo - Hindmarsh Island 18 JU 1917
1d roo - Hummocks Hill 27 MY 1914
4d KGV - Keith 17 SE 1917
1d red KGV - Kilkenny 2 JY 1917
1 1/2d green KGV - Langhornes
1 1/2d red KGV - Langhorne`s Creek 1929
1 1/2d red KGV - Langhorne`s Creek
1 1/2d red KGV - Langhorne`s Creek
1 1/2d red KGV - Langhorne`s Creek AU 1928
1/2d green KGV - Laura 8 FE 1916
1d roo large OS - Lobethal
2d KGV CofA wmk - Lords
2d orange KGV - Melrose 30 NO 1920
2d roo large OS (pair) - Morphett Vale 10 SE 1913
1/2d green KGV - Mt. Pleasant
Stuart - Owen 27 Ju 1930
1d roo - Pinnaroo JA 1915
1d Postage Due - Port Adelaide 20 AP 1909?
Canberra 1927 - Port Broughton 11 JU 1927
2 1/2d roo - Port Elliot 1919
1/2d green KGV - Red Hill 9 NO 1915
6d blue roo - Rundle St?
9d roo - Rundle St?
3d KGV - Stone Hut 25 MR 1925
1d roo small OS - Wakefield 3 MY 1915
1d red KGV - Wilmington 2 JU 1915


For the rest, which I can`t identify, I`ll have to make new pictures!

Thanks a lot

To throw another pebble into the pond, I looked in PPA but could not find a reference to this postmark.
Can anyone enlighten me, please.

Thanks

Tintinarra. Nice Die 2 stamp!

Greg

Thanks Greg,

Punched in *tinar but PPA didnt throw anything up. Have just put the whole name in and found that the PO closed in 1870, then opened again in 1898.


Regards

Tintinarra is down SE tip, near Mt Gambier . driven through there MANY times.

There seems to be a dramatic hole in my education! Everbody seems to know about Tintinarra but me.

Ah, well, at least I have a nice-ish Die 2 1d Red KGV to show for it.

Thanks for all the info, gents.

Hey, no-one said Tintin was a common cancel. It's rated RR -- findable but tough.

Greg

Is there any way to find out rating of these postmarks on KGV or roo issues on the web, so I wouldn`t need others to spend time on looking.

Thanks