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I am trying to ID these







Anyone have any ideas,


David B.

David .. might not the last 2 be simple fiscal use off receipts etc, with a surname?

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Glen,

no, they are definitely postal, that is the way that Receiving Office managers were instructed to cancel the stamps. Most are easy to ID but as most did not not become full Post Offices some of the obscure offices are very difficult to identify. The top one was additionally cancelled in transit or destination at Bundaberg.

p.s. they are not common,

David B.

How do you determine that it is postal and not revenue, David?

Ottawa,

There are two types, one with Receiving Office names & date although some only have names and unidentifiable croossed lines. If you have any I can easily tell if they are postal or not.


The problem is that there were over 850 Recieving Offices and only about 50 have been identified. The secondary problem is that very few actually advanced to become full Post Offices.

Here is a cover which is proving elusive to ID. It is from Olympus to Gin Gin.



A front Miallo to Brisbane,



David B.

This is my latest effort at remounting the material.

Cania & Cumonju. The Cumonju shows the crossed lines method of cancelling.



David B.

Thanks for posting that material, David. Very interesting.

thanks,

I am trying to make up a one frame exhibit, I have been collecting them since I was a baby (well almost) and I am remounting them at the moment and can't make the 16 sheets, looks like it will be about 12,

David B.

Callio.... = Calliope ?
Calli... = Callide ?

Also maybe Callandoon, Callemondah
Found on http://www.whereis.com

Typed Call in the suburb section, chose QLD from menu, then "find map" and it lists suburbs/locations

Hope that helps

Cheers
Skippy

thanks,

already dismissed those,

I doubt it would be the name of a full Post Office, Receiving Offices were very tiny places or mining towns which mostly never graduated to having a Post Office.

For some unknown reason most are situated near Bundaberg, Gladstone or Gin Gin,

It is probably CALLR*****

David B.

CALBO...
CALBC...

Ottawa,

now all you have to do is find a place name that fits,

p.s. There is a 95% chance it will be in the Townsville, Gin Gin, Rockhampton or Bundaberg areas,

David B.

I started collecting Queensland Receiving Office cancels in about 1965 (no typo. 1965) and by about 1970 had about 10, luckily in 1970 I was able to acquire the study formed by Captain Harry Porter which was sold in an Auction in Sydney.

It consisted of a school excercise book with his notes he used for the article he wrote on the subject. It contained all the covers I now have (10) and most of the other items I now own and have acquired about 10 others from other sources since then, which would about 1 every 3 or 4 years.

I know there are a few collectors but have never seen them displayed anywhere. I am trying to make up a one frame exhibit and have nearly finished and can only make 14 pages.

I am always on the lookout for offices I don't have (hint,hint),

David B.

My mind boggles at how many have passed through my hands in the past 30 years assumed to be fiscals.

My guess is that 99.9995 of dealers would assume this indelible pencel scribble was fiscal use.

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Dave, I have many thousands of these, but like Glen assumed that were all fiscals (However I don't think I have any on cover). Now that I have seen how you have laid them out it is all so clear and I will go back and look at them very very carefully.

There are lists of receiving offices in the Queensland almanacs of the period which give the postal routes, and any listed which are not post offices would presumably be receiving offices. Unfortunately I am away from home for several months so this will have to wait

Jeremy

Jeremy,

thanks,

just show a scan of any which you think may be postal, I should be able to ascertain whether they are or not.

The other problem is the the regulations stated they could be left uncancelled and cancelled at the 1st. full Post Office the mail was sent to and not every Receiving Office cancelled them in a way which can be recognised, such as Cross Hatching or just the date. it is only when the name of the Office is written they can be correctly proven as postal usage.

I would like photocopies of the Almanacs if they are available.

For some reason I have never seen or heard of any Tatt's covers from Reeceiving Offices but they should exist as they fall within the time frame of the Tatt's find.


David B.

Dave, I'm going through quite a few used at the moment and I'll
let you know if anything of interest comes up. I'm finding
plenty with just the date, but we need a bit more!

Andrew

collinsville?

Hi David!

These are the only ones I found that maybe look a bit like yours! Perhaps there is at least one within them, that is postally used!?



Greetings

josto

Dave, the almanacs are available at the state library of NSW on microfiche. The best one is Pugh's Queensland Almanac

Josto,

The Crosses (X) are postal but they may or may not be from Receiving Post Offices as there is no way of telling.

Arls,

which one do you think is Collinsville,

Jeremy,

thanks, I have noted that,

David B.

Hi David!

Thanks for looking at the few stamps! Do you, or perhaps someone else, know, if something like that also was made in New Zealand? If you look at the first three stamps in the first row, there is also a towns name "Oroua Downs" and a date. I wonder if this perhaps was a similar usage!? I have some more like these from New Zealand than the ones in the picture.



Greetings

josto

Josto, the Oroua Downs cancels are definitely postal but whether the Post Office was a Receiving Office or a full Post Office is beyond my knowledge as it would need a reference when and if the Post Office was opened or if it was only a Receiving Office. There are many New Zealand mss. cancels from full Post Offices whilst they were awaiting a cancelling device.

Collecting of New Zealand mss. cancels is very popular and most sell for very well. One of the NZ experts should be able to tell you how that one is rated.

The Foxton straight line could be an emergency cancel but again I haven't get the references.

It may be best to start a new subject headed NEW ZEALAND CANCELS as I doubt they will see it under Queensland,

David B.

Hello David,

Its a misconception that the R.O.s were grouped around the South Burnett , Rockhampton or Townsville areas. the little blighters were absolutely everwhere...

Pugh Almanacs will confirm this. Why those areas are so prominent is that most of the publicly known examples are from these districts.

I haven't seriously looked at my collection for a year or so.. too many other distractions.. but I have examples from most areas outside the ones above.

Incidentally.. most R.O. were not Post offices in the accepted sense that one has of a " real " Post Office ".. They were Store Keepers.. Station Managers, School Teachers ( esp One Teacher Schools ), Railway Stations ( many ).. even Lighthouses..

Most of which could never have become an Official Post Office later..or even when the Commonwealth converted the majority of the remaining ones to Official Post offices in ( 1927 I think but stand corrected ).

Often the " new " Offical Post Office necessitated the establishment of a seperate physical identity.

The real problem was that the vast majority of the R.O.s faithfully followed the instructions of either not cancelling the stamp but letting the First " Offical " Post Office do this.. or they followed a later instruction.. to write the R.O.s' name on the envelope near the Stamp... Thus unless you have the Envelope.. etc etc ..

If the Letter was a "local " Mail.. this did have to be cancelled.. thus the Crosses... Names ..Initials.. Ruler Ends..Corks.. Railway cancellers or whatever else can to hand.. sometimes this was applied to forwarding Mail as well.. thus we have most of our knowN examples..

All of which makes the collecting of receiving Offices facinating..

Cheers.. Laurie

Josto
According to Richard Wooders book 'The 1998 New Zealand Post Offices Cancellation Postmark Guide" it says the following :

Oroua Downs - District PM (Palmerston North District) - Opened 15/02/1884 - Closed 01/08/1901 - MSS rated a 9 (ie rare and you have 3 possibly - if genuine)
Opened again 01/01/09 and closed 20/08/1975

It would have been a small farming town community

Hope this helps in some way ... Dave

Laurie,

did you try to ID any of the markings which I couldn't.

I just found this, it has a part WESTWOOD registered handstamp,



David B.

Hi Josto,

I use to live in the Manawatu district (Feilding) in NZ and thought you might be interested in knowing that Foxton and Oroua Downs are only about a 10min drive apart - shows how thorough NZ was farmed back in the 19th century (that both these places had Post Office's).

Although back when these stamps were issued it would have been a lot further than a 10min drive!!

Cheers,

Ewen

Hello David.

I am a semi-retired Bookseller ( supposedly ) and am slowly in a shifting and packing mode prior to a drawn out shift to Tasmania eventually.. Unfortunately most of my philatelic reference material is buried behind a wall of boxes of Books at present.

Hopefully they will reappear within the next few weeks.

The previous sign on was done from memory.. I will get the Pughs etc out and let you know then..

Cheers,

Laurie

Are these manuscript cancels?

Examples of stamps on a registered item posted at a receiving office

Jeremy,

some of them may be postal usage but impossible to prove if they were used at a receiving office,

David B.

Just as i thought David. I have many many cancellations with dates and initials as well and have no idea if they are fiscal or postal.

Registered manuscript cancels

They are tricky as several that appear to be possibly manuscript cancels are probably fiscal, such as this one, which appears to say John. G. Johnson, June 28th 1883

This one is very confusing. It says Warwick February but Warwick had a post office. Any ideas?

Some bits and pieces? Anyone notice anything interesting?

Jeremy, I like the first one, second row.

This one appears to say Paid Julia Park. But Joan Frew does not list that name in Qld post offices book.

The first one second row says received for mai(il). The one next to it says the same thing and appears to be the same handwriting so they were probably together before being soaked!

I know this is probably not a manuscript cancel, but does anyone have any suggestions? It says RAILWAY

Would that be a compartment line at the bottom of that one?

Having prattled on in the previous posting, It was only as a lead up to a couple of comments on the cancels..

1. 26/09/09 Registered manuscript cancels
.. Yes good examples of R.O. cancels.. although... ,is the first an REGISTERED ?.. I can see the Red crayon mark in the second example.. but cannot see a Crayon cancel in the First one..
Can a number be ID'ed ( 148).. or a Circular cancel on either example?.. If the P.O. only had one R.O. on its Mail Run, You have a slight chance with manuscript "X"s.. ,but it's only a slim chance

2.John. G. Johnson, June 28th 1883.. It's a fiscal unless you can find that John. G. Johnson was in charge of a R.O. on June 28th 1883
.. Ummmm Good Luck with that one..!

3. Warwick manuscript.. It's Fiscal for sure.

4.Some bits and pieces?... I think that they are all Fiscal.

5.Paid Julia Park..
I don't have any Reference Books or Almanacs with me here in Tasmania( I am on Holidays, sort of ! ) . so cannot help, although I have a reasonable knowledge of Queensland Places.. I have never heard of Julia PARK. Is it a persons name ... being used as a Fiscal ?

6.RAILWAY... No idea with that one....

lauresienna,

I agree, I doubt if any of those are postal or if they are could be proven and I am in 100% agreement that covers is the best way of proving usage however covers are few and far between.

David B.

How depressing. You are right, only one has the red line. I can't make out the datestamp or the numeral, so it will have to remain a mystery

A current lot from Sandafayre for what it's worth. Any of these rare/interesting?



Andrew

The strip with the Mt Larcom mss and the TPO cancellation (row 2) is interesting.

I have a virtually identical strip. And this combination of markings should be on the rare side I would have thought.

Strange lot, virtually all Mt. Larcom which is one of the commeonest markings.

Can anyone ID the writing on the second stamp,

David B.

first line maybe south?
2nd line maybe gate? port? pole

Hi David,

I scrounged around and found these, do they fit the bill for this thread.

Kindest regards

Thomas