Help needed to identify this stamp inscribed "Marka"

Chancy · **Posted:** Sun Apr 11, 2010 20:32:39 pm

This stamp is lost to me. Can anyone place it?

Catweazle · **Posted:** Sun Apr 11, 2010 20:54:54 pm

I'm not exctly sure myself without my SG catalogue at hand, but it is certainly Eastern European. Perhaps pre-1920s Russia or otherwise Ukraine or some such country with a similar looking alphabet.

bsward · **Posted:** Sun Apr 11, 2010 21:13:34 pm

The text isn't large enough for me to read it properly but it definitely does not say Ukraine anywhere and though cyrillic, doesn't seem ukrainian,

Can't help more than that, though

Ben

norvic · **Posted:** Sun Apr 11, 2010 21:45:59 pm

I recognise the black overprint near the foot; it's not Ukraine or Russia. I suspect one of the Yugoslav states.

Should be possible to match that coat of arms with something else.

crazygerman · **Posted:** Sun Apr 11, 2010 22:26:39 pm

Hi All,

it is definitely cyrillic. "Marka" points to pre 1918 Finland and it seems to be a duty stamp, at least not a postage stamp.

The cancellation at lower left consists of the letters K, P and C which should be cyrillic too and means K, R and S.

Sorry, don't know more.

Regards, Lars

Allanswood · **Posted:** Sun Apr 11, 2010 22:59:22 pm

Im checking the online foreign name database but to me that says Mapka not Marka!

Makes more sense when searching to!

Allanswood · **Posted:** Sun Apr 11, 2010 23:08:03 pm

In the top round blue circle can you read the lettering - its 7 letters xx HCER(H)A?

I cant tell the first 2 from the scan.

norvic · **Posted:** Sun Apr 11, 2010 23:13:50 pm

Allanswood wrote:

I'm checking the online foreign name database but to me that says Mapka not Marka!

Makes more sense when searching to!

Cyrillic - MAPKA = MARKA western = stamp

Î”ECET = DYESET = Ten

At the top - TAKCENA = TAXENA = ? TAX?

norvic · **Posted:** Sun Apr 11, 2010 23:38:38 pm

Chancy wrote:

If the CoA is this one, then it's Serbia

I'm still sure I've seen that overprint on postage stamps.....

jugoslavija_post · **Posted:** Sun Apr 11, 2010 23:46:13 pm

The overprint looks a bit like the "JBC" monogram. :lol:

pirano · **Posted:** Mon Apr 12, 2010 00:49:55 am

norvic wrote:

I'm still sure I've seen that overprint on postage stamps.....

Perhaps you saw it here? :wink:

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=15953

Same overprint. According to that thread, this is a Serbian fiscal.

gavin-h · **Posted:** Mon Apr 12, 2010 06:57:23 am

The Cyrillic transliterates as "Taksena Marka" = "Tax Stamp"

Apart from the coat of arms, the other big clue is the value of "Decet Para" = "Ten Para".

Value in "Para" in Cyrillic is a BIIIIIIIG pointer to pre-WW1 Serbia :idea:

norvic · **Posted:** Mon Apr 12, 2010 07:23:35 am

gavin-h wrote:

The Cyrillic transliterates as "Taksena Marka" = "Tax Stamp"

Apart from the coat of arms, the other big clue is the value of "Decet Para" = "Ten Para".

Value in "Para" in Cyrillic is a BIIIIIIIG pointer to pre-WW1 Serbia :idea:

Doh! I didn't see Para hidden by the other marks!

Chancy · **Posted:** Wed Apr 14, 2010 09:38:32 am

Thanks,

This is from the link posted by Pirano

"In 1884 Serbia borrowed 25 million dinars from French & Austrian banks. As previous debts could not be repaid, the banks claimed the receipts from revenue stamp taxation as security for the loan.

All fiscal stamps from 25/6/1884 until 15/4/1896 carried a control monogram KCP to show where the revenue was going" - from J Barefoots Yugoslavia Revenues.

Would "KPC" then stand for the letters of a particular bank?

nigelc · **Posted:** Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:44:43 am

Chancy wrote:

Thanks,

This is from the link posted by Pirano

"In 1884 Serbia borrowed 25 million dinars from French & Austrian banks. As previous debts could not be repaid, the banks claimed the receipts from revenue stamp taxation as security for the loan.

All fiscal stamps from 25/6/1884 until 15/4/1896 carried a control monogram KCP to show where the revenue was going" - from J Barefoots Yugoslavia Revenues.

Would "KPC" then stand for the letters of a particular bank?

According to the Barefoot catalogue KCP refers to the Office of Serbian Revenue.

The KCP overprint is inverted on this stamp.

norvic · **Posted:** Wed Apr 14, 2010 18:38:26 pm

nigelc wrote:

According to the Barefoot catalogue KCP refers to the Office of Serbian Revenue.

The KCP overprint is inverted on this stamp.

And presumably that KCP is actually Cyrillic for KSR?

nigelc · **Posted:** Wed Apr 14, 2010 18:45:21 pm

norvic wrote:

nigelc wrote:

According to the Barefoot catalogue KCP refers to the Office of Serbian Revenue.

The KCP overprint is inverted on this stamp.

And presumably that KCP is actually Cyrillic for KSR?

Yes, so for example the C is the first letter of Српски ("Serbian" in Serbian).

Chancy · **Posted:** Sat Apr 17, 2010 19:29:30 pm

Then it would be
Kingdom of Serbia Revenue?

nigelc · **Posted:** Sat Apr 17, 2010 19:32:08 pm

Chancy wrote:

Then it would be
Kingdom of Serbia Revenue?

Yes, it was issued in 1884.

DRB · **Posted:** Sun Jun 13, 2010 07:31:02 am

Chancy wrote:

Then it would be
Kingdom of Serbia Revenue?

That is a rather Anglo-centric view of Serbo-Croat. The K could indeed be Kraljestvo or Kraljevina which means kingdom. But it could equally well be Kancelarija which means office.

nigelc · **Posted:** Sun Jun 13, 2010 07:48:45 am

drb wrote:

Chancy wrote:

Then it would be
Kingdom of Serbia Revenue?

That is a rather Anglo-centric view of Serbo-Croat. The K could indeed be Kraljestvo or Kraljevina which means kingdom. But it could equally well be Kancelarija which means office.

I didn't read Chancy's suggestion carefully enough.

I thought I was agreeing that the stamp is a revenue issued by the Kingdom Of Serbia.

I see no reason to doubt Barefoot's statement that "KCP" refers to the Office of Serbian Revenue.

hertsboy · **Posted:** Sun Jun 13, 2010 18:12:49 pm

It's not MARKA but the cyrillic letters MAPKA ... which is of course MARKA when converted to the Roman alphabet.

IT means "Stamp" and is nothing to do with the Markka shown on Finnish Stamps.

So it it either Russian (the crest does not look Russian to me) or one of the Balkan states using the cyrillic alphabet - Blugaria, Serbia or Montenegro.

Not a postage stamp either - nothing in the Catalogues looking like this one - so it's likely to be a Revenue Stamp.

Not sure which country - but I'd plump for Bulgaria if pressed

hertsboy · **Posted:** Sun Jun 13, 2010 18:14:11 pm

ooooopppss - I should have read all the postings before putting my oar in.

Serbia it is then!

Chancy · **Posted:** Thu Jun 17, 2010 07:00:58 am

Quote:

That is a rather Anglo-centric view of Serbo-Croat. The K could indeed be Kraljestvo or Kraljevina which means kingdom. But it could equally well be Kancelarija which means office.

I am not sure that is true. I think it is more of an Americo-centric view

So this is a revenue stamp most likely issued by the Office of Serbian Revenue within the Kingdom of Serbia in 1884.

Thanks!


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