Deutsche Luftpost Zeppelin stamps. Genuine or Fakes Please?

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Re: Deutsche Luftpost Genuine or Fakes Please

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Global Administrator wrote:The genuine all of course have WATERMARK - the fakes do not, hence so many are added to fake "covers", with fake cancels.


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Hello I am new here and trying to lean about these stamps, what do you mean by a watermark, is there a watermark in the paper itself or in the stamp image?

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MrSmith wrote:Hello I am new here and trying to lean about these stamps, what do you mean by a watermark, is there a watermark in the paper itself or in the stamp image?

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The watermerk is in the paper. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postage_stamp_paper#Watermarks
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Genuine? Germany 1932 Zeppelin Chicago flight stamps?

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Anyone care to venture an opinion on these? Watermark is present.

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E-bay lot:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-GERMANY-SC-C43-C45-ZEPPELIN-CHI ... 1622568825
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First thoughts and appearance are that they are genuine, on a correct issue I noted the 1 of 1933 is slightly lower on the 2 and 4 values and the date starts under the u of Weltausstellung and finishes half way through the e which appears to be the same proportions on your copies. Perf 14 Watermark Waffeln

If not correct they are a damn good copy!
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goof wrote:First thoughts and appearance are that they are genuine, on a correct issue I noted the 1 of 1933 is slightly lower on the 2 and 4 values and the date starts under the u of Weltausstellung and finishes half way through the e which appears to be the same proportions on your copies. Perf 14 Watermark Waffeln

If not correct they are a damn good copy!
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Machaggis52 wrote:Watermark is present.
The fakes of course do not. :mrgreen:

The gum OF COURSE will NOT be orginal and hence his idiotic catalogue claims are wildly wrong, and anyone who'd buy ANY stamp from a snake oil salesman huckster from ARGENTINA like this, with PRIVATE FEEDBACK (i.e. you cannot see all his shill bids) deserves to end up with regums. :idea:

Gotta love those apparant ebay "bargains". :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Global Administrator wrote:
Machaggis52 wrote:Watermark is present.
The fakes of course do not. :mrgreen:

The gum OF COURSE will NOT be orginal and hence his idiotic catalogue claims are wildly wrong, and anyone who'd buy ANY stamp from a snake oil salesman huckster from ARGENTINA like this, with PRIVATE FEEDBACK (i.e. you cannot see all his shill bids) deserves to end up with regums. :idea:

Gotta love those apparant ebay "bargains". :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Machaggis52 wrote:I'll bid. :D
Update:

Private bidders, so sent this:

Private bidding is a breeding ground for shill bidding. There is absolutely no valid reason to make bidder's ID's private, EBay does that already.

I won't be bidding further on this item, or on anything else where bidder's ID's are hidden.

I am not suggesting that you are engaging in anything untoward, but hiding buyer's ID's is a real alarm bell. Perhaps you may think about this, and change your mind. Without even the scrambled ID, there is no way to see if it is the same people pushing the price up.

Got this in reply:

hello, it is not exactly as you think, if it is not private does not appear the nick name but appears the amount of the transaction and with that i lost some clients in the past, there are a lot didders and dealers looking for this kind of information for stealing clients. just think...why is there on ebay the private treaty if you can not see the bidders? it is simple i do not cheat so if you want to you can bid or buy items and then you can inform ebay you suspect there is something wrong, then they will open an investigation. the result will be ok, as i have nothing to hide.
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Not bidding. :D

I did notice the gum, and altered my maximum bid accordingly.
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Machaggis52 wrote: ... why is there on ebay the private treaty if you can not see the bidders?
Why Mr Argentina snake oil salesman, is that ebay do not give a STUFF about shill bidding, as we can see here right now -

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=71583

The more shill bidding that goes on, the more ebay and paypal fees they get - they LOVE it. :idea:

Create a few shill bid accounts, and you overall get 20% more than you should, off the Bunnies. And ebay/Paypal gets 20% more as well. WIN-WIN for them all, and LOSE-LOSE for any Bunnies blissfully being cunningly bid up by sellers.

A match made in Heaven for the shonks. And with "PRIVATE" auctions no-one has a clue who bid what, or even their user coded names.

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Global Administrator wrote:
Machaggis52 wrote: ... why is there on ebay the private treaty if you can not see the bidders?
Why Mr Argentina snake oil salesman, is that ebay do not give a STUFF about shill bidding, as we can see here right now -

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=71583

The more shill bidding that goes on, the more ebay and paypal fees they get - they LOVE it. :idea:

Create a few shill bid accounts, and you overall get 20% more than you should, off the Bunnies. And ebay/Paypal gets 20% more as well. WIN-WIN for them all, and LOSE-LOSE for any Bunnies blissfully being cunningly bid up by sellers.

A match made in Heaven for the shonks. And with "PRIVATE" auctions no-one has a clue who bid what, or even their user coded names.
Yep. A shame really.
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I used to collect Germany on a large scale and there are a massive amount of fakes out there so please be aware even expertise's stamps are faked a guy went to prison a bit back for it in Germany my rule is treat all stamps of high value as fakes and if you get a real one its a bonus yea a bad way to look at things but I been collecting for 40 years and have discovered this to my own detriment

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This is a genuine MUH set I just bought, with Schlegel Photo Certificate as "postfrich"

The corners of GENUINES must look like these. :)

So, even when fakers glue them to covers as we saw earlier in this thread, they are very easily spotted.
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And added this absolute gem cover to stock today 419WQ for $A750 or about $US550. :mrgreen:
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Germany 1933 Zeppelin 'Chicagofahrt' overprints set, on South America Registered Flight cover: 1 Mark red, 2 Mark blue, and 4 Mark brown, Michel #496-498. Addressed to Basel Switzerland. All beautifully tied to Chicago-South America flight cover, by crisp razor sharp 'FRIEDRICHSHAFEN/14.10.33/(Bodensee)' cds date-stamps.

Sent Registered Air, with Friedrichshafen “R” label, and quite superb strike of the special red triangular cachet alongside. Stamps are superb, fresh, well centred, with good perfs. The special green ink backstamp, and 2 different BASEL arrival cds of November 3, so this “airmail” cover took near 3 weeks! Michel Cat €1,550 = $A2,300.

Very attractive and astounding fresh and clean condition for 84 years - been in Europe near all its life. “Posted Yesterday” appearance, totally flat and unfolded and un-opened. Impossible to improve upon grade.
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cubeicuss wrote:Hi All,

I have come across an old Album with German Zeppelin stamps in them ... Could the experts amongst you tell me if they are real or fakes please.

Nothing has been written on the reverse of them
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The originals have a watermark, the fakes don't. (Well, perhaps I should qualify that, by saying I haven't seen a fake with a watermark.)
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MacHaggis ... yes as MINT they will fool no-one - not even ebay Bunnies. (Well I am not betting my house on that!)

But when glued to old postcards or envelopes and whacked with real looking cancel fakes, as we saw earlier in this thread, a whole different story - these did fool many here, and today would fool many too - these stamps USED have huge cat. (If genuine)
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Hello!

I would like you to help me with an opinion about this letter and about the stamps used.

Do you think they are good or fake? I would like to buy them.

Thank you!

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The cancels look suspicious and in my opinion they are fake. I can't speak about the stamps but most likely they're fake too.
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I think the real proof is the forger left this pair of stamps is imperf vertically! :lol: :roll:

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richwong wrote:
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I think the real proof is the forger left this pair of stamps is imperf vertically! :lol: :roll:
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adisteaua1 wrote:
01 Aug 2020 03:15
Hello!

I would like you to help me with an opinion about this letter and about the stamps used.

Do you think they are good or fake? I would like to buy them.

Thank you!

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Stamps, all cancels, all handstamps all screamingly obvious amateur rubber stamp, fuzzy FAKES.

Let me guesss-- an Ebay BARRRGHHHIIINN ??? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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The maker of the cover only got a few things wrong:

1) the left hand typescript relates to a 29 May 1931 flight to Seville, Spain, via Toulouse (which didn't take place according to my Sieger catalogue). Anyhow, how could any typist get the spacing so badly wrong, and then extend the typing across onto the 4m 'Polar Flight' stamp, when these 'Polar flight' stamps were actually issued on 22nd July, 1931? The issue of lack of perforations had already been spotted by another member. However, the forger could have made the cover more interesting by having one of the 1m reds having the 'opt without hyphen' flaw.

2) Why is there a Swiss cancellation of Romanshorn 10th Oct 1931 on the envelope, when the sender and addressee are in Germany, and the flight was from to Germany via South America? The fact that the base of this cancel is missing indicates it has been copied from another source. (There was a Zeppelin flight to Switzerland on 3rd Nov 1931).

3) Was the red oval On-Board cancellation in use in late 1931?

4) The Friedrichshafen cds is far too thick - the originals I have on cover are all thin, using metal rather than rubber.

5) The green flight cachet - on comparing this with the example in the Sieger catalogue I notice a few differences.

This would be a useful example for a club quiz (for whenever we can get back to club events?) to see how many errors can be spotted. If I have missed any please correct me.

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Hello!
Thank you very much for your help.
I remain grateful!
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Luigi wrote:
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The maker of the cover only got a few things wrong:
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I know nothing about Zeppelin's...but doing postal history is more than enough to unmask some fakes. First thing to look is CDS made of rubber instead of metal, and these are quite unmistakable

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