Straits Settlements 1937-48 KGVI issues: Information and discussion

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Straits Settlements 1937-48 KGVI issues: Information and discussion

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There seem to be numerous discussions here about very specific topics within these issues: chalk paper, striated paper, perforations and much more. However there doesn't seem to be a general research and discussion group encompassing all of the basic issues and especially the printing and plate flaws.

For example, I have tried to find an authoritive text on the base stamps (no overprints) and to date I have been unsuccessful. I'm quite sure, given the number of members here who are interested in these issues that such reference exists, so some guidance would be most appreciated.

Taking my example further, where can I find reference to, say, the plating of the numerous 'dots' that appear in the wording of Straits Settlements? I have poured over the Kassim collection (hundreds of pages) and identified some, but I know of a lot more significant errors that are not covered there.

I would welcome the chance to get a full discussion of these issues up and running.

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(PS: The pic of the 3c BMA is there for compliance, not because there is anything special about that particular stamp!)
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Hello I am interested in these stamps including the overprints . Can you show some of these flaws you mention ? . Robert

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Thanks. Here is a good example of the flaws that I refer to in my post. The stamp, SG16, has two red dots:
·ST·RAITS. The dot between TR is relatively common although I can't reference the position, but this has the first dot before S as well.
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This is the type of information that I'm trying to source.

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Samoa,

Would it be possible - by ways of printing forme characteristics - to prove that for a certain value the plates for the chalk-surfaced paper were the same for the non-chalk-surfaced paper?

My idea is that the chalk-surfaced paper versions were printed by DLR on Wharfedale presses with a flat forme plate plus impression cylinder [counter pressure] which results in an extremely even printing, whereas in the case of the so-called substitute paper, Harrison&Sons were the printers using a flat forme plate plus flat counter plate, which result in an UNeven printing with sharp edges as the ink was pressed inside-out!

The same plates might have been used in both cases though, the so-called "striated paper" - which is NOT striated BTW - having been printed by DLR still on a Wharfedale or elsewhere on a Wharfedale like press.

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samoanz wrote:
24 Feb 2021 07:35
Thanks. Here is a good example of the flaws that I refer to in my post. The stamp, SG16, has two red dots:
·ST·RAITS. The dot between TR is relatively common although I can't reference the position, but this has the first dot before S as well.

Image

This is the type of information that I'm trying to source.

Cheers

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Samoa,

These dots are TOO common!

Of my 4 copies of the $2 BMA, 3 have it :)

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Like you, I have numerous copies with one dot (T.R), all exactly the same shape and position.
However I only have two copies with the identical .ST.R dots - one is the $2 and the other SG18.

I'd like to pin down some specific sheet positions if I can as I don't believe that there will be many positions with the double dot.

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samoanz wrote:
24 Feb 2021 11:31
Like you, I have numerous copies with one dot (T.R), all exactly the same shape and position.
However I only have two copies with the identical .ST.R dots - one is the $2 and the other SG18.

I'd like to pin down some specific sheet positions if I can as I don't believe that there will be many positions with the double dot.

Cheers

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What is SG18?

In order to pin down sheet positions you need complete sheets ;)

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There is something than mr Kassim is NOT telling us straight away and neither do you.

The overprint has "L.A" (in "Malaya"] in principle on ALL stamps of all values [but for the 5c, 12c and $5 green] and "T.R" for all $2 stamps.

We should then realize that the dots received not enough ink to be visible!

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MY $2 stamps:
ss_1937_$2_111.jpg
ss_bma_1945_$2_111.jpg
ss_bma_1945_$2_121.jpg
ss_bma_1945_$2_131.jpg
ss_bma_1945_$2_141.JPG
ss_bma_1945_$2_151.JPG
First of all - the new frame plate is different from the 1937 plate!

Not all stamps have "L.A"!

The ".ST.R" copy bas two additional features!
ss_bma_1945_$2_123.jpg
At least one dot that Samoa has as well:
ss_bma_1945_$2_samoa_01.JPG

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Samoa,

the ".ST.R" can have ENORMOUS sizes!
ss_bma_1945_$2_161.jpg
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Thanks Rein. I didn't refer to the L.A spot as I have multiple copies of all the known overprints. They all seem to be exactly the same, so I am assuming that there must be at least one position where they constantly appear. Unfortunately I don't have enough positional pieces to identify...

As for the .ST.R I agree, they vary in size enormously. What I find strange is that I have yet to find a single copy on the base stamps (no BMA overprint). I have a full sheet of the 2c on its way here at the moment so I'll be working over every stamp in that sheet for locations of various flaws.

The reference to SG18 is the second $5: purple and orange.

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Samoa,
First of all - the new frame plate is different from the 1937 plate!
I think the dots were added as some kind of "security" mark in both the frame plates as well as in the overprint plate.

I wil show the $1 as well with a triangle between "S" and "T"!


ss_bma_1945_$1_111.jpg
ss_bma_1945_$1_121.JPG
ss_bma_1945_$1_131.JPG
ss_bma_1945_$1_141.JPG
ss_bma_1945_$1_151.JPG
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Dots in the $5:
ss_bma_1945_$5_100.JPG
ss_bma_1945_$5_111.jpg
ss_bma_1945_$5_121.JPG
ss_bma_1945_$5_131.JPG

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Post by Rein »

In the days of old, letterpress printers made plates with text-characters [movable types] surrounded by fillers [spacers] to keep distance between types and everything tight and tidy. Occasionally these fillers popped up and fetched ink - so-called "risen white" [Dutch: "gerezen wit"].

I can't imagine that Harrison&Sons had to fall back centuries in order to make "Straits" unforgable :)

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