1849 Batavia-Birmingham. Info on forwarding agent sought

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This letter sent from Batavia 21 April to Birmingham was forwarded in Singapore. Red forwarding cachet on back "Forwarded by Martin Dyce & Co Singapore". Is it possible to find out anything about this forwarding agent? Was it a merchant company?

Letter received in Birmingham 24 June, but what was the charge? It looks like 2/ (two shillings) but how was this calculated?

Do we know how the mail was exchanged between forwarding agent and postal service? This letter seems to have gone by the regular overland route via Marseille.

Any help much appreciated. Thanks as always!


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Excellent, thanks!

I will study these in greater details, but it is good to know that Martin Dyce & Co. had branches in Java - Batavia as well as Singapore. So they could expedite the letter directly from Batavia and then onwards by boat from Singapore, which explains why there are no postal markings or postmarks from Batavia.
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Instead of Martin Dyce & Co, it should probably say Martin, Dyce & Co. Dyce came to Singapore from Aberdeen, and became a partner of the trading company. In 1842 his brother Charles A. Dyce joined the company in Singapore. He was a landscape artist and painted in Singapore, Penang, and Batavia where he travelled much.

Still hoping to get a little further insight into route and rate of the letter.
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The rate looks like 1/10 to me but I have no information on rates.

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Yes 1/10 looks more probable. I will wait to see if anyone can clarify. Thanks
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If the rate mark says 1/10, i.e. one shilling and 10 pence, how much would that actually be? One shilling was 12 pence, right? So 22 pence for this. Could the rate be 8 pence (or 4 pence) for incoming India ship letter and 14 pence for distance London-Birmingham?

Sorry, I'm totally in the dark here; just trying to make sense of the rate.

And another question: Forwarding means private sending, for example by a merchant company. But the cover has the boxed Singapore bearing postmark on reverse (albeit faint and indecipherable) which I suppose was applied by postal service. So I'm confused about the forwarding/post service expedition of this letter. Is there not a contradiction here?

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Still hoping to get a little assistance on the issue of rating here. 1 shilling 10d for route Batavia - Birmingham, perhaps via London. But certainly via Marseille (which seems to me a little strange for a letter to England)

And it just occurred to me that the Martin, Dyce & Co. who forwarded the letter in Singapore (and probably in Batavia also, though the letter has no indication of this) may have forwarded to the postal service who struck the Singapore Bearing rectangular handstamp.
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