Are these Chinese 1949 stamps legit or fake

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Are these Chinese 1949 stamps legit or fake

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Is it normal for a stamp to have 3 sides perforated and 1 side imperforated ? Just wondering if these stamps are legit. No postmarks, cancellations, or gum on back. Not very " neat looking " at all. Need some experienced stamp eyes to take a look for me and let me know. All responses are greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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Imperforated edge is not a problem. Depending on how printing was done that can be very common.

As far as I know, about 100 years ago it was common practice in USA to print definitive stamps in sheets of 400 stamps. They were then separated by quilotin into sheets of 100 stamps, leaving each sheet to have 18 stamps with one imperforated edge and one stamp with 2 adjacent imperforated edges.

I do not know the sheet sizes of these stamps, but they are commonly found with imperforated edges. At that time in China it was fairly common issue stamps without gum but I do not remember if these were issued without gum. These stamps are in my experience more common unused than used.
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They are from the East China liberation area and issued in april 1949, here's a link to the full set:

http://stampdata.com/stamps.php?fdate=1949&fissuer=151

I cannot find anything about imperforations on this set but the site does mention them on other stest from that year.
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Thanks so much. I learn something about stamps every day from this site. I inherited a stamp collection consisting of a lot of foreign stamps that I know nothing about. I'm trying to get them all sorted and put in albums. I never realized there was soooo much involved in doing this. All the stamp expert folks are basically historians. Hats off to all you guys and gals.
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Sargonnas wrote: 17 Oct 2021 08:11 They are from the East China liberation area and issued in april 1949, here's a link to the full set:

http://stampdata.com/stamps.php?fdate=1949&fissuer=151

I cannot find anything about imperforations on this set but the site does mention them on other stest from that year.
The first set on this web page has one stamp ($5, if I remember correctly), which was issued only with an overprint (a Chinese character meaning post) because that stamp had one difference in the design compared to the rest of stamps in that set: the tower in the middle had Japanese flag flying on its roof. The character was used to cover it. I mention this in case kelliegirl33 uses the site as her own reference (as the site doesn't seem to mention that).
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kuikka wrote: 17 Oct 2021 09:57
Sargonnas wrote: 17 Oct 2021 08:11 They are from the East China liberation area and issued in april 1949, here's a link to the full set:

http://stampdata.com/stamps.php?fdate=1949&fissuer=151

I cannot find anything about imperforations on this set but the site does mention them on other stest from that year.
The first set on this web page has one stamp ($5, if I remember correctly), which was issued only with an overprint (a Chinese character meaning post) because that stamp had one difference in the design compared to the rest of stamps in that set: the tower in the middle had Japanese flag flying on its roof. The character was used to cover it. I mention this in case kelliegirl33 uses the site as her own reference (as the site doesn't seem to mention that).
You are right, I should have mentioned it's the second set of the page. Not the tower but the train with postal runner. Did they do overprints on those as well?
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Not for the reason I mentioned for the first set. Now I don't remember if they have been overprinted for any other reason, but on the second page there is a similar set where the date has been replaced with year only. They have been overprinted for other use.

I know that she didn't ask for information on the first set of the first page, but as stamps of that set are common, she may have them, too.

And correcting myself, the $5 stamp does exist also without overprint. But it is of fairly high value unlike most of the other stamps of that set, which are dirt cheap even in perfect condition (applies for the cheapest variants, there may be valuable variants that I am not aware of).
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kuikka wrote: 17 Oct 2021 07:56As far as I know, about 100 years ago it was common practice in USA to print definitive stamps in sheets of 400 stamps. They were then separated by quilotin into sheets of 100 stamps, leaving each sheet to have 18 stamps with one imperforated edge and one stamp with 2 adjacent imperforated edges.
USA stamps from the early 1900s (and some late 1800s?) can have a straight edge on any side it should be added, for people trying to imagine the sheet in their head.

A sheet was 400 stamps. A pane was 100 stamps from the sheet after it was cut into 4. But most collectors call a pane a sheet...

So a pane from the upper-left side of the sheet would have straight-edge stamps along the right side and bottom of that pane. Panes from the right of the sheet would be straight-edged on the left side.
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Here's an illustration to show how straight-edges are created.


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kelliegirl33 wrote: 17 Oct 2021 08:17 Thanks so much. I learn something about stamps every day from this site. I inherited a stamp collection consisting of a lot of foreign stamps that I know nothing about. I'm trying to get them all sorted and put in albums. I never realized there was soooo much involved in doing this. All the stamp expert folks are basically historians. Hats off to all you guys and gals.
You are really the "Perfect Newbie", you see something you aren't familiar with, ask sensible questions and are keen to learn. ;)

Members here are always happy to engage with that sort of question and respond accordingly. As you rightly say, it's basically history - social history about beautiful places and beautiful people (and occasionally not-so-beautiful people who ran ugly regimes). :mrgreen:

But there really isn't a dull moment - I started collecting as a very young boy and I'm still a beginner all these (cough!) 30 years later. There's a whole world of stamps out there with a whole world of stories to tell and a great hobby to keep your interest going. :idea:
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I do have the $5 from the first set...there is a mark..it looks like an upside down train...it's covering a flag

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You do have it. The character used for overprint is 郵 . The covered flag is Japanese flag.
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Responding to the original question, one or two straight edges are quite normal. Very common in stamps issued in booklets like the example below. But I have no idea if the Chinese stamps in the OP were issued in booklets.

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I do not think Chinese stamps from around 1945/1950 were issued in booklets. Stamps from this time are a maze of the ones issued by the arising communist regime and the retreating imperial regime. That resulted in a plethora of overprints on badly printed stamps.

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Thank for all the info. Very interesting. 😁
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These are from East China and issued without gum.

There are 2 possibilities:

1. They are from the imperf sets (only sold in Tientsin) and then privately perforated in 3 sides.
2. The 1 side imperf was caused by shift and created the "wing" example.

#2 is common on many early liberate issues and I suspect that's what you have here.
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