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So much for unexplained acronyms :?
Some leads, which might be relevant:
• The Australian Government's Australian Business Register ABN Lookup:
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https://abr.business.gov.au/Search/ResultsAll?SearchText=southern+highlands+carpet+court
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• Southern Highlands Carriage Club:
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https://www.hotfrog.com.au/company/1072170133135360/southern ... nsw/horses
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• You would think the postmark with SHCC likely refers to an AusPost facility, but why isn't it known to Google's search facilities?

I expect we will get an authoritative answer/solution here before long, but Iin the meantime I reiterate my complaint that unexplained acronyms are "anti-communication". The searches reported here show that one of the downsides of an unexplained acronym is that there might well be multiple entities with the same acronym!

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These two manuscript cancellations (part of a lot of 12 in the upcoming Gartner sale) have the auctioneer (and me) baffled, Anyone able to marry up the cancellations to places that exist?
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Robigana, Tasmania.
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I'm not sure about the first cancel but the second one is the manuscript cancel for 'Robigana' in Tasmania, known used from 1914-1921 and rated by Hardinge as 'R'. ('scarce and certainly not plentiful, but not too hard to find')

Source: Hardinge, John, 'Tasmanian Postal History: Post Office and Datestamp Compendium', Tasmanian Philatelic Society, 2019.
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Thanks to the Puffin and Territorian for a very prompt response!!!
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Derbyboi2 wrote: 22 Sep 2021 00:00 Image



These two manuscript cancellations (part of a lot of 12 in the upcoming Gartner sale) have the auctioneer (and me) baffled, Anyone able to marry up the cancellations to places that exist?
The first one appears to start with a B and end with field.

The are only two places that in the PPA post office list that would match taking into account the apparent number of letters. Unfortunately the letters between the B and the f are not well formed.

BRAEFIELD...... NSW or
BRAMFIELD...... SA.
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Whoever wrote B....field wrote it like my mother with a lot of the letters looking the same.

My initial thought was "Barryfield" but there is no such place. :?

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rsellens wrote: 22 Sep 2021 00:39
Derbyboi2 wrote: 22 Sep 2021 00:00 Image



These two manuscript cancellations (part of a lot of 12 in the upcoming Gartner sale) have the auctioneer (and me) baffled, Anyone able to marry up the cancellations to places that exist?
The first one appears to start with a B and end with field.

The are only two places that in the PPA post office list that would match taking into account the apparent number of letters. Unfortunately the letters between the B and the f are not well formed.

BRAEFIELD...... NSW or
BRAMFIELD...... SA.
The first is Brierfield N.S.W. Recorded by Hopson & Tobin in 1914.
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The other is Robigana in Tasmania,

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Brierfield fits Big Tones:


Brierfield is a small New South Wales Rural Location within the local government area of Bellingen, it is located approximately 406kms north of the capital Sydney covering an area of 52.064 square kilometres. Brierfield has a recorded population of 333 residents and is within the Australian Eastern Daylight Time zone Australia/Sydney.


https://www.australias.guide/nsw/location/brierfield/

No wonder it could not be found in Phoenix:


No Brierfield NSW
No Brierfield NSW

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Thanks everyone for the input. Was deciding whether to bid on the lot....... The Queensland Commonwealth 'Roo numeral cancels looks a slightly better bet.
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Here's the listing from Hopson & Tobin:

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Thanks Rod & Big Tones

Nailed it. I have a credit to spend at Gartner and was wondering what to do with it!

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Looks like I have have finally got an answer to this R.O.

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An expert in Tasmania says the manuscript actually says Vera Duggan, the postmistess at Pelverata, a rural settlement between Cygnet and Margate. He says that a ms endorsement and a datestamp is unusual in Tasmania. He says a week or so later Pelverata was issued with a rubber provisional datestamp, which is rated 3R. So this is probably rarer.
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mobbor wrote: 23 Sep 2021 04:50 Looks like I have have finally got an answer to this R.O.


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An expert in Tasmania says the manuscript actually says Vera Duggan, the postmistess at Pelverata, a rural settlement between Cygnet and Margate. He says that a ms endorsement and a datestamp is unusual in Tasmania. He says a week or so later Pelverata was issued with a rubber provisional datestamp, which is rated 3R. So this is probably rarer.
mobbor,

That is brilliant work. Good on you and I agree, the manuscript will be a lot rarer.

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Cheering from the sidelines for that nice piece of detective work, and appreciation of a rare piece of postal history.

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GB 789 wrote: 13 Sep 2021 07:14 I have this pair of 1d Tasmania pictorials with ‘King’s Island’ postmark.

Is this a scarce postmark as research shows the island, part of the New Year Islands, even today has a very low population.


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I cant see that this has been answered and if not, the answer is no, its not scarce. There were two states of this postmark. The " 'S" at the end of King disappeared due to wear over time and so you will find it as "King Island" with a feint " ' " still showing as well.

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Following the Chelmer enquiry in the post
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Ubobo.R.O. wrote: 11 Sep 2021 07:59 Looks like it Roger. See if your postmark measures 26.5 mm across.


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I can now confirm that the circular date stamp = cds on the Sheard cover does have diameter 26.5mm.

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Hello,

can anyone tell me where or for what this violet oval Royal Melbourne postmark was used?
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It may not even be postal at all. Royal Melbourne Hospital?
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I looked at that the other day and you can see the real postmark is black and at the left of the stamp.

I was thinking of something along the lines of a Royal Insurance receiver or similar. Note there is no dateline.
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traralgon3844 wrote: 10 Oct 2021 11:46 I looked at that the other day and you can see the real postmark is black and at the left of the stamp.


Yes! Not postal at all. It has the overall look of a cachet of some kind. Could be anything really: Royal Melbourne Golf Club? :lol:
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Why not Royal Bank Melbourne?

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Can anyone help with this cancellation. I am new at identifying Australian Cancels. this is W.A , I assume Western Australia? I think it says North.
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there is nothing on the back at all.
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thanks very much!
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Postmarks from N.S.W. are not really my thing, but this one grabbed my attention.

Single line Grass Hut NSW on State stamps, so probably during the R.O> period.

Grass Hut (1)

RO 1/4/1895; PO 1/7/1927; closed 7/7/1939

Any idea as to rating?


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This stamp for all intents and purposes is CTO. But an expert has advised that it is not official. No 1d Reds were sent to the UPU and were not included in collectors sets. I believe that there is such a thing as a per favour post mark made on demand by a friendly post office official. This one is I think Hamilton 2 ? Victoria date unknown. It is as perfect a specimen as I have seen and has all its original gum and is unmounted mint. It has a twist in that a W5 has very neatly been etched onto the reverse.


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What was this stamp produced for? Did Post offices create demonstration models? Is it just a curio? All ideas very welcome.
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Charlie

It is best to crop the excess black background off your image. It will allow to see more of the stamp & less of the background:


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traralgon3844 wrote: 18 Oct 2021 15:34 Postmarks from N.S.W. are not really my thing, but this one grabbed my attention.

Single line Grass Hut NSW on State stamps, so probably during the R.O> period.

Grass Hut (1)

RO 1/4/1895; PO 1/7/1927; closed 7/7/1939

Any idea as to rating?



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The following information was obtained from a friend who collects postmarks from the receiving offices. He thinks that the image is “ Likely to be a provisional hand stamp that the receiving office had manufactured to make life easier or they used for some other business purpose.

The receiving office at Grass Hut, about 60 kms north of Bourke, was on the main stock route and located in the local hotel. The licensee was also the keeper of the receiving office. It opened in 1895.

In 1898, the office also became a telephone office and was issued with a date stamp. The date stamp was used by the receiving office. In 1927 the office was upgraded to a post office”.
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Hi

A while ago I asked the question about this postmark


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I was checking for Aust Post parcel delivery and a side bar appeared that said "Ask a question" so I did and miracles do happen. Here is the reply


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So it would appear that SHCC stood for Shell Harbour City Centre

Many thanks to Theo from Australia Post
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davidtoo wrote: 21 Oct 2021 15:14 Hi

A while ago I asked the question about this postmark


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I was checking for Aust Post parcel delivery and a side bar appeared that said "Ask a question" so I did and miracles do happen. Here is the reply


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So it would appear that SHCC stood for Shell Harbour City Centre

Many thanks to Theo from Australia Post
David,

Far be it for me to question the advice provided by an official from Australia Post in response to you “reaching out” to them. However, common sense tells me that a date stamp with the postcode of Bowral or a place in proximity to Bowral, is or was not located at Shellharbour, on the coast, which had its own postcode, 2529 (see below).
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In his advice to you, Theo mentions a facility now located at Bowral. In my humble opinion, SHCC is probably to be found at Bowral and has been located there for some time. Perhaps, Southern Highlands Control Centre or Central Centre. Maybe Theo could give them a ring.

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Bertiemyrtle7 wrote: 21 Oct 2021 00:24
This stamp for all intents and purposes is CTO. But an expert has advised that it is not official. No 1d Reds were sent to the UPU and were not included in collectors sets. I believe that there is such a thing as a per favour post mark made on demand by a friendly post office official. This one is I think Hamilton 2 ? Victoria date unknown. It is as perfect a specimen as I have seen and has all its original gum and is unmounted mint. It has a twist in that a W5 has very neatly been etched onto the reverse.


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What was this stamp produced for? Did Post offices create demonstration models? Is it just a curio? All ideas very welcome.
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Bertiemyrtle7 what a curious question ask about one of the most iconic Australian stamps.

Perhaps you might like to read the thread below which should answer your questions


https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=56457

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Thank you for your interest. Before I registered and posted Glenn S. told me that this was a PERFECT (his wording) one to put on. Maybe I should have put it on the 1d Red forum. The stamp on the left under my name is one of my discoveries- a very rare Cooke LMW inverted. What is your view of the questionable CTO stamp, I would be interested to know?

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Charlie

Penny Reds are not my area. It just looks like a CTO to me.

Are you sure postmark is Victoria:


Phoenix shows Hamilton in almost every state in Australia
Phoenix shows Hamilton in almost every state in Australia

Phoenix does record a Hamilton 2 in Vic:


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Hamilton 2 Vic per PPA

I would suggest your question does not belong on this thread.

I would suggest you start up a new thread for your questions on this stamp. It would be easier for members to find rather than being hidden in here. I would set up one for you but you need to provide images of the stamp at 1200 dpi cropped so there is only a small border of black.

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Thanks Brad. As you guessed, I am a beginner so I will have to get my daughter to help with this!
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The Pom wrote: 27 Feb 2021 08:07 A couple where the ID is no issue, but any more info/clues on value would be appreciated.

Firstly TPO No.6 Tasmania. There's a bit of info out there on these, but not much, and I can find no clues on scarcity.

Re Claymore -
It’s probably been said here before, and this is 14 years after the post, but Australian Newspaper records at Trove are worth considering.
Therefore -https://trove.nla.gov.au/search/category/newspapers?keyword= ... startPos=0

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Secondly, Claymore WA. There really is next to nothing out there on the web about this place. (The Phoenix website is down). As far as I can tell, it was a railway siding in the middle of nowhere, and there's nothing there now.



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Hi!

I`ve got some postmarks on KGV I`d like to shed some light on.

The first two examples are some kind of negative seal type postmarks on KGV 1d reds. I`ve had a look at the phoenix homepage and I think the postmarks might be BROMFLEET and RANNES in Queensland!? Can anyone confirm the two postmarks? Can anyone tell me what they were used for and if these kinds of postmarks are somewhat scarce?
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And I`ve got these two TELEGRAPH AND POST OFFICE postmarks on KGV heads, according to phoenixauctions side I think they could be Western Australia postmarks from GRASS VALLEY and from BROAD ARROW!? Can anyone confirm my thoughts? Looking at the PMI Western Australia side, I didn`t see matching examples, so are these two postmarks somewhat scarce?
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And I`ve got this KGV 1d red with a blue circular "postmark" and inscription NORTH STAR. HAs anyone seen such an example before? I`ve seen, that a post office called NORTH STAR existed in NSW (RO 1/8/1912; TO 22/7/1916; closed 31/7/1926.), that would fit into the time range of a KGV 1d red, but I`m not sure if this blue circle is a "postmark" at all!? Maybe some kind of ship cancellation (does anyone know if a ship or a ship company called NORTH STAR existed?)?
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Josto,

North Star, was I think, a gold mine and what you have appears to be the impression of perhaps a company rubber stamp, probably used for commercial purposes. North Star receiving office in NSW were using manuscript to cancel their mail in this period of time.

In relation to the examples identified by you as Bromfleet and Rannes in Queensland, one at least appears to be a post office seal (Rannes). As to whether they are identified correctly, I don’t know.

Some receiving offices in Australia used the office mail bag seal to cancel mail if they did not have a canceller. These I think would be very scarce.
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Here's a sample of a potential North Star manuscript cancel.

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Re: Australian stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

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Kainnikanada wrote: 26 Oct 2021 07:24 Here's a sample of a potential North Star manuscript cancel.


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What a lovely example. It appears so fresh and crisp. I do hope that these are not the reason for your recent change in signature block. I wish that someone had told me to collect these many years ago. I am warming to them as a very intriguing and under rated field of collecting.

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josto wrote: 26 Oct 2021 01:10 The first two examples are some kind of negative seal type postmarks on KGV 1d reds. I`ve had a look at the phoenix homepage and I think the postmarks might be BROMFLEET and RANNES in Queensland!? Can anyone confirm the two postmarks? Can anyone tell me what they were used for and if these kinds of postmarks are somewhat scarce ?
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Hi Ubobo,

thank you very much for your confirmation of the Rannes postmark. So the other example still remains a mystery. The FLEET is clearly visible, that's why I thought it might be Bromfleet. If anyone else has an idea about the first postmark, any help would be great!

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josto wrote: 26 Oct 2021 01:10

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And I`ve got these two TELEGRAPH AND POST OFFICE postmarks on KGV heads, according to phoenixauctions side I think they could be Western Australia postmarks from GRASS VALLEY and from BROAD ARROW!? Can anyone confirm my thoughts? Looking at the PMI Western Australia side, I didn`t see matching examples, so are these two postmarks somewhat scarce?
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First one looks to be Grass Valley ORS (Oval Rubber Stamp) type 3 Post & telegraph Office known in voilet from around 1929.
Second one may well be Broad Arrow ORS type 4 Post & Telegraph office from around 1913. (I would like to see it go through Retro Reveal to be certain)

This information courtesy of the WA Postal Marking Compendium and shows both as a rarity of #1 (RRRR) so probably hard to find.

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Not something that has me beaten but an interesting cancel/stamp combination. I half wonder if it was philatelic.
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No, commercial use for me. Orange NSW is a reasonable NSW town
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Hi John6625,

thank you very much for your good information about the Western Australia postmarks! I`ll upload a higher resolution scan of the postmarks, when they arrive!

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borsac wrote: 02 Nov 2021 11:59 Not something that has me beaten but an interesting cancel/stamp combination. I half wonder if it was philatelic.
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Very nice! I would believe "commercial" usage, given the date.
Four pence (4d) was a substantial amount of postage at the time. For example, it would have paid for a 1lb book to be mailed to New Zealand, or a significant part of postage on a parcel within Australia.

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borsac wrote: 02 Nov 2021 11:59 Not something that has me beaten but an interesting cancel/stamp combination. I half wonder if it was philatelic. Image


As others have said, totally commercial. Possibly from a registered letter. The 4d is a great stamp for showing postmarks. It is a cool combination so Roo collectors and exhibitors would be happy to have it. :)
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