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Your second unit is ACSC 88(18)m position 18R5.

Large white flaw obliterating Emu's foot. Cat $A75.
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Sorry = where I said second unit I meant third!
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Subject to confirmation Unit 2 looks like ACSC 88(11)d 'white flaw on Emu's front foot. Position 11L17.
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Your second unit is catalogued at $A45.
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Derbyboi2 wrote: 20 Aug 2021 07:04 Your second unit is catalogued at $A45.
Thank you so much Derbyboi2, that is really helpful. I will add a note to each of them now. 😊😊😊
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Thanks... I have also done your 'Roos as well

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Hello all

Can someone here confirm this is rough paper please?


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One of my better finds I think
Many thanks in advance.

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Presumably the middle stamp in the bottom row is plateable from the flaw in the left value shield.
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Thanks Satsuma
It's more the 4 stamps above that one that make this a bit special
It's a postally used block of 10 including both the substituted cliches with the thin G and the dot above Y below.
I'm 98% sure it's rough paper. Just seeking confirmation from the people here who are far more knowledgeable than me.
What shade would be my next question
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Nice find.

It's definitely rough paper, I'll leave it to others to have a go at the shade.
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I think it is nigh on impossible to tell the shade of the 1d from a scan. Surely it is one for a Scott Starling opinion.....
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A slightly better scan attached


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It'd be interesting to know how many of these are about
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Scarce I should think. Stuart Hardy's used Rosine block of 9 which included the 4 varieties sold for $A2,900 some years ago......
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Lovely block and I would reckon not common in any cliches

Definitely rough paper and needs to go to someone who knows their way around the shades.

Even at the cheapest shade it’s a lovely block.
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Hello everybody. Here is a pair which came my way just recently.


Australia 1917 KGV Head stamps, pair, single watermark.
Australia 1917 KGV Head stamps, pair, single watermark.

Australia 1917 KGV Head stamps, pair, single watermark. Back
Australia 1917 KGV Head stamps, pair, single watermark. Back

My take, FWIW, is rough paper 1d. Rose Red (Aniline), ACSC 72D.

The left unit looks a bit like Die II merged (No. 56). The right unit is ‘RA’ joined.

Am I on the right track? Cheers. Tod. :)
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7/59-60. Nice pair, but obviously the left-hand stamp can't be a merged Die 2. As far as I am aware, there is no flaw associated with 7/59.
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Thanks for the prompt response mobbor. Much appreciated. :)
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The ACSC states the first delivery into stock was 22 Sep 1920 and a nominal date of issue of 4 Oct 1920.
It also states some have been found with Sept dates.

This example seems likely to be one of the earliest.
2d orange pre-issue date.
2d orange pre-issue date.
Can anyone identify the postmark?
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Hello again. Another one which has me puzzled. On this 1½d Red, Die I single watermark pair, the right unit seems to have a flaw affecting ‘RAL’. It might be ‘thin RAL retouch’ ACSC 89(22)j, but it looks different from the illustration in the catalogue. Could it be a transient flaw, or a different state of 89(22)j?

Australia 1925 KGV Head stamps, 1½d Red, Die I pair.
Australia 1925 KGV Head stamps, 1½d Red, Die I pair.
Australia 1925 KGV Head stamps, 1½d Red, Die I pair. Back.
Australia 1925 KGV Head stamps, 1½d Red, Die I pair. Back.

Any ideas would be welcome.

Cheers Tod. :)
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Tod.Moore wrote: 27 Aug 2021 16:05 Hello again. Another one which has me puzzled. On this 1½d Red, Die I single watermark pair, the right unit seems to have a flaw affecting ‘RAL’. It might be ‘thin RAL retouch’ ACSC 89(22)j, but it looks different from the illustration in the catalogue. Could it be a transient flaw, or a different state of 89(22)j?

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Any ideas would be welcome.

Cheers Tod. :)
This is definiiely 89(22)j position 22L28. It looks much more like my 5 examples than the illustration in the ACSC.

22L28

DESCRIPTION

(a) AUSTRALIA: The letters 'RALIA" are thinned as a result of bumping up to reduce the effect of a scratch which curves upwards and to the right from the centre of the right leg of 'A' and through the outer coloured border of the oval above the 'L'.

(b) Shading at right of left wattle spray: small break in 23rd line, below & right of the 4th bloom

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satsuma wrote: 27 Aug 2021 14:06 The ACSC states the first delivery into stock was 22 Sep 1920 and a nominal date of issue of 4 Oct 1920.
It also states some have been found with Sept dates.

This example seems likely to be one of the earliest.
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Can anyone identify the postmark?
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Dunolly, Victoria.

This datesamp was used from 30 APR 1912 until 1 Jul 1959.

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rsellens wrote: 27 Aug 2021 16:27
Tod.Moore wrote: 27 Aug 2021 16:05 Hello again. Another one which has me puzzled. On this 1½d Red, Die I single watermark pair, the right unit seems to have a flaw affecting ‘RAL’. It might be ‘thin RAL retouch’ ACSC 89(22)j, but it looks different from the illustration in the catalogue. Could it be a transient flaw, or a different state of 89(22)j?

Image

Any ideas would be welcome.

Cheers Tod. :)
This is definiiely 89(22)j position 22L28. It looks much more like my 5 examples than the illustration in the ACSC.

22L28

DESCRIPTION

(a) AUSTRALIA: The letters 'RALIA" are thinned as a result of bumping up to reduce the effect of a scratch which curves upwards and to the right from the centre of the right leg of 'A' and through the outer coloured border of the oval above the 'L'.

(b) Shading at right of left wattle spray: small break in 23rd line, below & right of the 4th bloom

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Thanks for the confirmation, Ross. Much appreciated. :)
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borsac wrote: 23 Aug 2021 17:14
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If you get bored with it, I'd happily put it into my collection for the North Norwood type 2 squared circle cancels.

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rsellens wrote: 27 Aug 2021 16:36
satsuma wrote: 27 Aug 2021 14:06 The ACSC states the first delivery into stock was 22 Sep 1920 and a nominal date of issue of 4 Oct 1920.
It also states some have been found with Sept dates.

This example seems likely to be one of the earliest.
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Can anyone identify the postmark?
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Dunolly, Victoria.

This datesamp was used from 30 APR 1912 until 1 Jul 1959.

Ross
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Good afternoon everybody its been a long time since posting !
I Have a question on the above item ASSC95a Brusden & White States Watermark inverted $8000 Used
yet it also says , Watermark inverted O.S can be found in electros 7,8,8A.
Does this mean the (a) variation is for Electros 1,2,3/4/5/6/9
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Is this flaw on the RH value tablet below 2 a known variety? I first checked for surface rubbing, etc but the white mark is printed. There also seems to be some poor shading to the right of it which may also be linked.

Also, the duplex postmark seems rather old fashioned for this time period, when were these type of postmarks used to in Australia?

Many thanks.
Is this a known flaw under the 2d value tablet?
Is this a known flaw under the 2d value tablet?
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Bear 001

ACSC95a refers to a non-OS stamp. The ACSC does not indicate which electro's 95a emanate from.

The note after this entry prices OS punctures from electros 7,8 and 8a with inverted watermark which exist in some numbers. I don't think this says anything at all about the other electros save that they have not been seen with inverted watermarked and punctured OS.

The entry for 95a and the note are mutually exclusive.
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Thank you for your response ,after reading again the penny dropped !

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I have one question with below 4½d KGV OS.

Is the dark line along the top frame caused by dirt of the printing plate ? Thanks

There are several fly specks and the one looks interesting is the hair line above O of postage.

Thanks for helping.


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The dark line along the top is just heavier inking, you can see it has "splattered" slightly into the top margin.

Can't see any obvious platable flaws at a first glance.
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Any clues on these 2? Both single watermark.
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Broken shading lines on King's neck.


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Flaw under LVT. I initially suspected this is a tin shed, but I'm not sure. The watermark shows this to be a left marginal example.


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Pom,

-- first one, flaw on King's neck, is probably 24R2. Check the watermark to see if it's from the top of the sheet.

-- second one, flaw under the bottom left tablet, is 23L30. Right edge of the sheet, so again the watermark might confirm the identification.

Neither is listed in ACSC.
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Thanks Greg, much appreciated. On the second one, I meant right marginal, not left marginal - brain fail looking at the back & not reversing it!
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Hi The Pom, thanks for your help.
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I have some very valuable stamps which I want to sell, like cracked plates, 1/2 d single line, etc.
What is the best place to sell them?

Example: https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2236&p=514813#p514813
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Hello all

I'm trying to work out where to put this in the collection. Is it a "tin shed" error?
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Not a tin shed.

Assuming it's not simply creased, it looks like a wrinkle in the paper that was present at the time of printing.

A less blurry scan would help.
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Seeking Help from Expert on the Australia KGV Head. I have 'The Australian Commonwealth Specialists' Catalogue King George V by Brusden White Edition 2001. It's obviously old and therefore was unable to identify the varieties/flaws of the below 1924 1d Green No Watermark BLOCK. The perforation is very rough (refer scan). Also the printing appears to be also very bad quality compared with some in my KGV Head collection. The 'Egg' flaw is not listed as a PLATE FLAW. Not sure if this is listed in the latest copy of BW Catalogue?

Appreciate some Expert advice on this BLOCK of 4 from this forum.

(1) Why are this BLOCK of 4 has such a bad perforation? I noted on BW catalogue, it stated that 'Due to the non-arrival of stocks of watermarked paper from London, and the need for new printings of the 1d stamp, the use of unwatermarked paper was authorised on 1 August 1924. This paper was obtained locally, and was gummed after printing. Perforation is P14¼ x 14.

(2) Are those varieties I identified just some minor printing abnormality and cannot be considered as PLATE FLAW?
1924 KGV 1d Green No Watermark
1924 KGV 1d Green No Watermark
1924 KGV 1d Green No Watermark (Back)
1924 KGV 1d Green No Watermark (Back)
1924 KGV 1d Green No Watermark (Varieties)
1924 KGV 1d Green No Watermark (Varieties)
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The ACSC does not try to be an exhaustive catalogue of every flaw from every plate.

It would be huge, were it so.

However, other catalogues do go into such detail, one of which is the 1d listing in the KGV wiki right here on stampboards.

Why not check it out?
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8518
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The egg flaw you refer to is a 'bull's eye', caused by foreign matter on the plate. As such, it's temporary, and seldom able to be plated.

Most of the others are more or less horizontal 'flecks' which are standard on no watermark paper.

It's from the top 2 rows on panes 5-8, and I suspect it's from columns 5 & 6.

Despite the excellent scans, I am unable to plate it.
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jojo wrote: 16 May 2021 23:20 Greetings.

Would appreciate assistance with this item, LMW, third wattle on right - nothing remotely similar in BW.


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Giving this query a final bump. Thanks for your comments.
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jojo wrote: 19 May 2021 17:08 Having problems with this one too.

2d orange. White flaws on face, and either side of roo. Again, my initial thought was tin-sheds, but a large rounded area of extra colour is also present in front of king's ear.


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Another bump, if I may. Any comments ?
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jojo wrote: 19 May 2021 17:12 And lastly, another 2d orange, with subtle white flaws beneath left "2", in value table.
A nice CTO, too.


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Last bump. Thanks folks !!
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satsuma wrote: 24 Oct 2021 05:48 The ACSC does not try to be an exhaustive catalogue of every flaw from every plate.

It would be huge, were it so.

However, other catalogues do go into such detail, one of which is the 1d listing in the KGV wiki right here on stampboards.

Why not check it out?
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8518
Thanks for your feedback and reference. Very much appreciated.

Agreed with you totally on ACSC. It is not possible to list out every flaw from every plate. Wonder based on what criteria for BW to include the PLATE FLAW? Nevertheless it is a good reference for the study of these KGV printings.

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mobbor wrote: 24 Oct 2021 06:00 The egg flaw you refer to is a 'bull's eye', caused by foreign matter on the plate. As such, it's temporary, and seldom able to be plated.

Most of the others are more or less horizontal 'flecks' which are standard on no watermark paper.

It's from the top 2 rows on panes 5-8, and I suspect it's from columns 5 & 6.

Despite the excellent scans, I am unable to plate it.
Hi, Thanks for your correction! Very much appreciated. It's still very much a learning process to try to put a name to some of these FLAWS. I shall update my description accordingly. Have a good day.
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Jojo,

You need to make your scans much larger!
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Mobbor, the originals are a good size, it's the quote button that makes them about a quarter original.

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mobbor wrote: 24 Oct 2021 16:32 Jojo,

You need to make your scans much larger!
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Re: Australia KGV head stamps - HELP from the experts please!

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Fleurieu55

Sorry, I could not see where any of the flaws you noted were in any of my reference books

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Re: Australia KGV head stamps - HELP from the experts please!

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1927 1½d Red Small Multiple Watermark (Type 5) P13½ x 12½

I refer to my old edition of BW Catalogue (Edition 2001) and think what I have identified the attached as the 1927 1½d Red Small Multiple Watermark (Type 5) P13½ x 12½ ACSC 92(4)h with the Dot before "THREE" listed variety. There are also two other unlisted varieties Kangaroo's Craw and Line joining N and C in HALFPENCE from the same stamp. Refer attached for details. Are the unlisted constant plate flaws or just a "one-off"? Appreciate expert/master in the group for information.
1927 1½d Red Small Multiple Watermark (Type 5) P13½ x 12½
1927 1½d Red Small Multiple Watermark (Type 5) P13½ x 12½
1927 1½d Red Small Multiple Watermark (Type 5) P13½ x 12½
1927 1½d Red Small Multiple Watermark (Type 5) P13½ x 12½
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1927 1½d Red Small Multiple Watermark (Type 5) P13½ x 12½ (Close-Up)
1927 1½d Red Small Multiple Watermark (Type 5) P13½ x 12½ (Close-Up)
1927 1½d Red Small Multiple Watermark (Type 5) P13½ x 12½ (Close-Up)
1927 1½d Red Small Multiple Watermark (Type 5) P13½ x 12½ (Close-Up)
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