Heligoland stamps. Discussion of reprints, fakes & forgeries

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Re: Heligoland stamps - are these worth selling?

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Beautiful looking stamps :) RED AND WHITE ..... :D

I think they deserve much more than 10-15 usd !

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Thank you Tim, Glen and Victorias_secret for taking the time to reply. :D

Most of the Heligoland stamps are indeed thought to be fakes or reprint, and I don't have the knowledge to see which of these are good. :shock:

Unless someone on this thread sees something special, I'm inclined to add these as a bonus to any other lot that I would sell.

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victorias_secret wrote:Beautiful looking stamps :) RED AND WHITE ..... :D

I think they deserve much more than 10-15 usd !
Sigh.

Some reading matter for you. 'Pretty colours' does not equate to value. :idea:

http://stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=11927

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Haha, very true :D

But what if thematic stamps and commemoratives were sepia or black and white ?

Color is something that attracts philatelists ?

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I suspect prettiness does play some role in stamp's value. If collectors choose areas with stamps they find pretty, demand for countries with 'prettier' stamps will be greater. Increased demand means increased prices (though scarcity and other factors will still play a more important role :P).

Pretty stamps does equate to increased value relative to less pretty stamps of the same scarcity!

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With Helgoland, bright colors generally means reprints.

Dull colors could be genuine or fake. You have to check for
the proper head type, for starters.

Reprints and forgeries can also have fake cancels on them.

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Heligoland 1888 stamp

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All ... I have an 1888 red 3p Hamburg stamp that my grandpa received around 1915 - I'm thinking back then it was probably real? What would that be worth?

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rsborland - welcome - however, as you were clearly advised your FIRST post must be on the "Roll Call" thread.

And when you have done that we need to see an IMAGE of the stamp you are asking about or no-one can assist.

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I notice that my stamp is very different from the ones shown here.
Is it genuine or fade?

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ekaraya wrote:I notice that my stamp is very different from the ones shown here.
Is it genuine or fade?

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An obvious and quite appalling fake.

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Thank you for feedback, ozstamps.

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This cancel is genuine?
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ozstamps wrote:
ekaraya wrote:I notice that my stamp is very different from the ones shown here.
Is it genuine or fade?

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An obvious and quite appalling fake.
I don't think it's even that - I think it's simply an illustration cut out of an old stamp album :idea:

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Is this a stamp? A cut out?? (But it is on much thinner paper and cannot be postcard cutout), a Proof?, Design? Just what is it??

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It's a prepaid newspaper delivery wrapper.
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I'm not sure if this is a complete set, but I also own a few of these...no clue as to what their value might be, but I suspect it's very little ?

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All reprints. :idea:

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Nice range cubeicuss. :D

I can't comment on the mint stamps but the boxed postmark looks genuine. In full it would say, "Aus Helgoland über Cuxhaven".
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Hi i will be selling these once i have found out which are originals and which are Reprints.I know the last few scans are real as i believe there were no reprints of those stamps :D

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I have had a look through https://www.fritzwagner.com/helgoland/heligoland_reprint_tables.html which is probably the best resource on Heligoland, but been stumped by the first stamp, which is the 1½sch SG9 (if authentic), but note that it uses Die III, when the original uses Die I. But, none of the known reprints (Berlin, Leipzig, Hamburg) of this stamp use Die III, according to that resource, or any I could find.

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Does this mean this is a forgery? You can partly see a cancellation: is this too fake, assuming the stamp is a forgery? Or what is it?

Secondly, the second stamp seems to have the embossing misaligned from the head. Never seen this before, so wondering whether this is something unusual?

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cubeicuss wrote:Hi i will be selling these once i have found out which are originals and which are Reprints.I know the last few scans are real as i believe there were no reprints of those stamps :D
Hi, do you have any certs for these stamps? I have a buyer who regularly pays close to catalogue, but she is very cautious and nearly always wants a cert. Its just the way she is. The 1/2 schilling with the box cancel is of interest. Please let me know about the cert, thank you.
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Hi..yes i can imagine her being careful with Heligoland...Horrible ones to try and tell which are real or fake etc....I dont have any certs for these stamps ..all i can tell you is that it looks like die II and has a nice clean reverse..ill keep it untill you reply with a yes or no
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Can anyone identify these two Heligoland stamps please?

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Hi ,
can somebody identify the correct SG # for below two stamp with current catalog value.

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Tickets? These are normal Heligoland stamps (possible counterfeits, but clearly phony cancellations regardless).

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my bad intention was to write stamps only, is is possible to get the exact SG # ?

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There is no relevant S.G number for worthless reprints with faked cancels, as yours are.

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MOD HAT ON

Vaibhav161981, on another thread you were asked to use the search function for Heligoland and add your question to the existing thread. Since you started a separate thread, I have now merged yours with the discussion. Please follow instructions in the future.

I have better things to do.

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Thanks and sorry for starting new thread, well i am sorting my
Grandfather's collection , i am not sure but as per my understanding in 1940's there will be less chance for fake stamps or fake cancellation. I am trying to re arrange these stamps as some of them don't have SG number.

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Vaibhav161981 wrote: i am not sure but as per my understanding in 1940's there will be less chance for fake stamps or fake cancellation.
No. Heligoland reprints were created much earlier than the 1940's. I purchased a collection once that had not been added to since 1920. And there were Heligoland reprints, German States reprints, Canal Zone reprints, Vatican State reprints, in it. The reprints were not even mentioned by the seller, as he knew what they were and did not bother to even list them as part of the sale.

I purchased the item for the "real" stuff (some of which turned out to be forgeries, but there you go...)

Dealers and shonks have been reproducing fakes since the late 1800's, and many (such as Heligoland, Italian States, German States) were produced purely to sell to collectors to fill gaps which they could not otherwise fill. And they were sold at a very cheap price, which is why they still turn up in Great Grandpa's otherwise cheap collection. I suggest you read this entire thread.

Fakes and forgeries are almost as old as stamp collecting. Persia/Iran is another Minefield when it comes to early fakes/forgeries.

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Heligoland - Real ?

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I have 16 Heligoland stamps that I have always thought to be fake. This is based on the screed in catalogs, not specialized knowledge of the stamps themselves. I'll put 4 up now and ask for your thoughts.

Thanks in advance.

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Thanks, Sheriff. I read the thread and went to the sites recommended but I cannot make up my mind as to what I have.

So, any comments on the above 4 would be welcome. Thanks.

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Re: Real or reprint? - HELIGOLAND

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tonyevans1 wrote:
mlr wrote:Morning...

How can one tell whether this stamp (or any) of Heligoland are the real deal or a less valuable reprint?

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Thanks...
To be Original this stamp should be Dark Carmine and Green which this does not appear to be and under ultra-violet light it should be Violet and Greenish Black.

The Perfs should be 13.5x14.25 with large holes - if the perf holes are small then it is a Leipzig reprint (1888) - If it has 14x14 perf it is 1st or second Hamburg reprint.

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I always assume that any Heligoland stamps are fakes or reprints... let's look at the facts, how many people were living there and how many letters did they write??? Honest answer : not many...
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if someone could tell me if theses are crude reprint or obvious legit, do not hesitate :)

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We are flying to Heligoland this week as I always wanted to visit.

TIP - book hotels a long way ahead and not a few days ahead as we have done. OUCH. :twisted:

Only 6 accommodation places on the island, and their rates are double per night what the Frankfurt Hilton is charging - literally!

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Have a safe trip Glen and Margo.

I possess "one" Heligoland stamp that was in an estate lot that I purchased some years ago. Even though I did attempt to research this stamp, I found there was way too many variants for me to even attempt saying it was real or not...well, reprint!

The perfs are 13.5 x 14.25 and nearly totally missing down the right hand side. Not much reaction under UV light but then I have only had one for a week or so and am still working that out!

Can't believe how grotty it has turned out in the scan...can it be safely soaked to clean it up a bit and remove the hinge remnants?

So, here it is...any comments would be appreciated!

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We were on Heligoland in the North Sea today, and mailed a few postcards off to members here that had asked for them.

There are no cars on Heligoland (which is only 1.2km x .5km in size!) and the PO van is an all electric vehicle, that picked up the cards.

For the info of Heligoland collectors, the boat across has a special Sea-Post cancel for stamped mail lodged in the box on board, and a few of those also went to members who had asked for them.

The boats across were cancelled yesterday as they discovered large unexploded bombs, and banned all shipping. A shame as we were booked on it!

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There are large bomb craters all over it, to this day.
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Awesome Glen. Hope you and Margo are having a great time there. Is there actually a township...looks a bit like one in the background. How many people live there?

Is there any sort of industry there? or do people commute to the mainland for work?

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Hello,

How it is possible someone faked a stamp not referenced in SG ??

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From the uneven edges of the cameo, it looks like someone cut out the cameo from one stamp/reprint and glued it on to another stamp/ reprint. I've seen similar "novelties" created with Canadian stamps.
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Gusug- That is a reprint.

The reprints were made with inverted centers, in reversed colors, etc.

Check out the online references that are linked to earlier in this thread. All these varieties are listed there.

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Hi there

In a grotty album I acquired on the weekend there were this pair of cutouts, can anybody advise me of their use please? They are on thin ungummed paper.

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Look like the reprints/fakes to me. :)
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Britcollector wrote:I have 16 Heligoland stamps that I have always thought to be fake. This is based on the screed in catalogs, not specialized knowledge of the stamps themselves. I'll put 4 up now and ask for your thoughts.

Thanks in advance.


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bennyandersen wrote:
Britcollector wrote:I have 16 Heligoland stamps that I have always thought to be fake. This is based on the screed in catalogs, not specialized knowledge of the stamps themselves. I'll put 4 up now and ask for your thoughts.

Thanks in advance.
From above:
1. genuine (there is a ridge, as I see it)
2. I think genuine referring to the colours, but the rouletting is cutted and therefore only UV light can assure genuine/not genuine
3. not genuine, no ridge
4. not genuine, no ridge, wrong colours, wrong paper


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mlr wrote:Morning...

How can one tell whether this stamp (or any) of Heligoland are the real deal or a less valuable reprint?

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The stamp is not genuine, the perforation is wrong, the colours are wrong.

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stallzer wrote:If anyone can help with these, I don't have a catalog with this country.

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I do not know whether you have had solved yor problem. But they are from Helgoland, and I must say that they are all not-genuine although the annullations look nice.

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I came across this stamp recently.I know that it is in bad condition.Is it worth my while keeping and investigating as i know it could be a rare item?
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Looking at the colours I can say, that the stamp is not genuine (if you do not know it already)

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