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Australia LYREBIRD One Shilling Stamp General Discussion

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Australia LYREBIRD One Shilling stamp.
Grey-green,in colour.
No watermark.
Is it supposed to have a watermark?
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Re: Australia LYREBIRD One Shilling Stamp-No Watermark

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Not if it's the 1932 version.

Check the catalog.

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fredr - you do have a stamp catalogue of some kind I hope? :shock:

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If he hasn't got one he can use Iomoons excellent Visual Catalogue :D I've got my catalogue right in front of me but I still like to use the one on the forum :wink:

Good work Fredr your images are looking much better now :idea:

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Yes the 1932 is DOUBLE the physical size, is lumpy rough line perf, on a blotting paper grade base, and of a perf gauge nowhere near the 1937 and later comb perf issues of same design.

And of course are all no watermark .. the others are all CofA.
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There were 2 LYREBIRD stamps.
One issue is considerably larger size than the other.
What year was the larger size issued?

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fredr - if you READ the 4 or 5 posts above - the answer is there in black and white in perfect English.

Are you here yanking out chains?

Can you actually answer the question asked above -

"fredr - you do have a stamp catalogue of some kind I hope?"
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Yes,I have an old catalogue but probably outdated.

What city is the cancel on this stamp-MAF-I'm not familiar with it.

I'm in Canada and don't have access to all the cancellations for Australia.

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fredr wrote:Yes, I have an old catalogue but probably outdated.
Unless your "old" cat was issued before 1932 it will clearly ID the date of issue (which others have done for you above) and clearly tell you it is no watermark .. as others have also done above.
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thank you

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fredr wrote:Yes,I have an old catalogue but probably outdated.

What city is the cancel on this stamp-MAF-I'm not familiar with it.

I'm in Canada and don't have access to all the cancellations for Australia.
You have now https://www.premierpostal.com/cgi-bin/wsProd.sh/po.w" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This postmark is Maffra.
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Thank you,sherro-that catalogue is amazing!

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fredr wrote:What city is the cancel on this stamp-MAF-I'm not familiar with it.
Probably Maffra.

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Re: Australia LYREBIRD One Shilling Stamp-No Watermark

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Aussie lyrebirds
Missing Pale yellow green
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I was wondering if there are any No Wmk overprinted "O.S." issued
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Yes. SG O136.
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wfdgraeme - refer to the photo immediately above your post. :shock:

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wfdgraeme wrote:I was wondering if there are any No Wmk overprinted "O.S." issued

The original 1932 Large Lyre only, no overprints of any type on any of the small Lyre Birds issues.
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PeterS wrote:
wfdgraeme wrote:I was wondering if there are any No Wmk overprinted "O.S." issued

The original 1932 Large Lyre only, no overprints of any type on any of the small Lyre Birds issues.
Except for '1946 BCOF Japan'. ;)

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ozstamps wrote:
PeterS wrote:
wfdgraeme wrote:I was wondering if there are any No Wmk overprinted "O.S." issued

The original 1932 Large Lyre only, no overprints of any type on any of the small Lyre Birds issues.
Except for '1946 BCOF Japan'. ;)
There is always one in every bunch! :lol:

Anyway, that wasn't strictly an Australian issue. Could not be used in Australia or it's Territories and was available for use by non-Australian military personnel (Poms but not Americans, I think). So there!!! :lol: :lol:
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The lyrebirds large and small were both a classic aussie issue
My mistake above
BCOF not NWPI
and heaps of varieties of state perfins on the smaller variety?

If anyone has a scan of the large pale green yellow variety they could post here it might be usefull as they are a very different shade and very hard to find.
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Thank you so much guys for the help and quickly at that :D
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Differences between the Australian 1/- Lyrebird stamps?

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With the Australian green one shilling Lyrebird stamp, how can you tell if the stamp is a 1932 or a 1937-43 edition?

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From left to right:

1. 1932 1/- Lyrebird, No Wmk.
2. 1932 1/- Lyrebird, No Wmk. O/P OS
3. 1937 1/- Lyrebird, Perf 13.5 x 14 Cof A Wmk
4. 1941 1/- Lyrebird, Perf 15 x 14 Cof A Wmk
5. 1956 1/- Lyrebird, Perf 15 x 14 No Wmk

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So in a word - size. :D
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Allanswood wrote:So in a word - size. :D
Nope. :mrgreen:

The last 3 are identical sized. :idea:

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And what was the answer to the OP's actual question about the years?
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Allanswood wrote:
And what was the answer to the OP's actual question about the years?
You must have missed it so here it is for you again. Has nothing to do with SIZE.
fromdownunder wrote:Image

From left to right:

1. 1932 1/- Lyrebird, No Wmk.
2. 1932 1/- Lyrebird, No Wmk. O/P OS
3. 1937 1/- Lyrebird, Perf 13.5 x 14 Cof A Wmk
4. 1941 1/- Lyrebird, Perf 15 x 14 Cof A Wmk
5. 1956 1/- Lyrebird, Perf 15 x 14 No Wmk

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For hobbyists or breeders who collect/breed simplified, size matters.

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My stamp is 20mm wide and 24mm high which would it be? I can't seem to work out how to attach a photo.

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julsa wrote:I can't seem to work out how to attach a photo.
Adding pix is dead simple and had you done that in the first instance, this could have been sorted very quickly - we ask for pix in EVERY post #1 of new threads - here you go - all details here -

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=53532

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Compare to common Australian QE II stamps. If it is the same size, then it is 1937-56 issues.

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You have the 1932 from those measurements.
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The simplest way is appearance - the 1932 are all NO WMK and were printed on essentially coarse blotting paper a product of the Great Depression.

They ALWAYS have 'fluffy' perfs and are all LINE PERFORATED so corners are never squared and 'normal' like the other 3.
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Hello julsa from Linton

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Well, as the first respondent I apologise for actually posting a scan and description of the different 1/- Lyrebird stamps. I did not realise how insensitive it was to actually illustrate what stamps the OP was talking about, and explaining the difference.

So, the first post after the Opening Post actually answered trhe question. The next few were just a somewhat humorous exchange which had nothing to do with the OP as what was asked had already been answered.

And face to face, as you suggest, I would simply have shown her the stamps in "real time", which is rather hard to do on-line, and then, as with this thread, the conversation would have moved on to other things. What you need to do is grow a sense of humour.

But in the future, I will stop helping people and stop illustrating the stamps that they are asking about and cannot illustrate, since you think that this is unhelpful. Again, I apologise for showing the stamps in question. Thank you for caring and explaining to all of us how this Board should work.

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Re: Australia LYREBIRD One Shilling Stamp-No Watermark

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Only 'lyre bird' in my humble collection, it's not in the best condition and it's riddled with bullet holes but I thought I'd let you all have a looksee anyway...

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Your "bullet holes" are a perfin stamp "G NSW" perforated by the New South Wales Government for official use by State Department Departments.

Most states in Australia used this method (Victoria used a "V" right up until the 1980's) to prevent office pilfering and misuse. Many private firms also used this method to prevent theft.

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fromdownunder wrote:Your "bullet holes" are a perfin stamp "G NSW" perforated by the New South Wales Government for official use by State Department Departments.

Most states in Australia used this method (Victoria used a "V" right up until the 1980's) to prevent office pilfering and misuse. Many private firms also used this method to prevent theft.

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Well, not anymore. I have merged the two 1/- Lyrebird threads we have and changed the header to reflect the more general discussion.

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I came upon this piece in an inherited collection.

ACSC 145(OS)A quotes $3000 each on cover for the 1932 1/ Lyrebird OS, while the 3d Blue KGV looks like a die 11, 108A(b) at $7500? Is that a typo??

Under 1000lum light there is an OHMS under the thick paper.

I have been advised that the piece cut is too small and is only worth the same as single stamps.

Any comments or suggestions on price would be well regarded

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Noted no covers on this thread so I thought I would rectify that deficiency.

Australia SG 140 1/- green lyrebird, no watermark, perf 11, issued 15th February 1932:
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Can anyone suggest what the marks are in the middle of both 1/ Lyrebird stamps
It is a MLH example and seems someone used a pen?
Or is it something else :?:
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:roll: Either vandalism or childish boredom.

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As can be seen, while the 1932 issue was line perfed sometimes that's not obvious at first glance.

Compare these two blocks:
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Pampstamp wrote:Can anyone suggest what the marks are in the middle of both 1/ Lyrebird stamps
It is a MLH example and seems someone used a pen?

Or is it something else :?:

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Global Administrator wrote:
Pampstamp wrote:Can anyone suggest what the marks are in the middle of both 1/ Lyrebird stamps
It is a MLH example and seems someone used a pen?

Or is it something else :?:

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Do you own a scanner? A Canon Lide will cost you $100 or so, and such pieces then take on new visual meaning.

MOST unusual item, if indeed the piece has gum.
After you make that Canon Lide wise investment, may we also see scan of reverse?

A consistent indentation in paper in subject area might be helpful in determining cause/purpose.

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