Australia LYREBIRD One Shilling Stamp General Discussion

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Re: Australia LYREBIRD One Shilling Stamp General Discussion

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Pampstamp wrote:Can anyone suggest what the marks are in the middle of both 1/ Lyrebird stamps
It is a MLH example and seems someone used a pen?

Or is it something else :?:

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Do you own a scanner? A Canon Lide will cost you $100 or so, and such pieces then take on new visual meaning.

MOST unusual item, if indeed the piece has gum.
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Hi Glen and Rod

I have attached scanned images as recommended.

I do need to setup better.

It has gum, but I have no idea about the marks?

Item has been sitting in an album for 60 years!!

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I must admit that it is a really weird but interesting thing. The only thing I can even vaguely think of that it is some form of amateur office protection to prevent misuse from a firm too cheap to spend money on a perforation device. And the two "overprints" are quite dissimilar.

If any used copies turned up similarly marked, or on any other stamps it would become even more interesting.

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VERY odd. This is the 1932 No Wmk Issue and Imprint pairs have had decent value right from Day #1, so no collector will have set out to deface them!

There is no 'bite' evident on the reverse, so not a metal overprint, I am sure. Indeed the varied and irregular shape points to that not being the case of any kind of metal overprint.

A mystery indeed.
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Following on from comments by Glen about Ulverstone archival strikes,
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&p=6070418#p6070418
I thought I should add this 1932 1/- Lyrdbird fdc here.
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Well the stamp is cancelled 1933 not 1932!

Lewis C. Viney was a doyen of the Tasmanian postmark world, and the same Viney co-wrote the handbook Bible on Tasmania cancels - Tasmania: "Postal History & Postal Markings Part I" by Campbell, Purves & Viney, published RPSV, 1962.

Being Registered,, and the inverted slug backstamp, goes a little toward saving it, and is fairly likely kosher I'd say. :mrgreen:

A handed back over counter jobbie (against the PO rules in 1932) to a well known local I'd suggest, and seems like the same cds in both cases, the clerk just noticed the 33 date error before backstamping it. Indeed, Viney, being a cds junkie, might have noticed it himself?

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Well the stamp is cancelled 1933 not 1932!

Lewis C. Viney was a doyen of the Tasmanian postmark world, and the same Viney co-wrote the handbook Bible on Tasmania cancels - Tasmania: "Postal History & Postal Markings Part I" by Campbell, Purves & Viney, published RPSV, 1962.

Being Registered,, and the inverted slug backstamp, goes a little toward saving it, and is fairly likely kosher I'd say. :mrgreen:

A handed back over counter jobbie (against the PO rules in 1932) to a well known local I'd suggest, and seems like the same cds in both cases, the clerk just noticed the 33 date before backstamping it. Indeed, Viney, being a cds junkie, might have noticed it himself?

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Thank you for your comments but I can't agree. I have enlarged the area to 2400dpi. On the inverted image above I can see several black dots in the gap to make the number 2. I can see no such dots in the left image in the gap to make the number 3.

At normal size yes it can look like a 3 but when greatly increased in size it is definitely an inverted 2.

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The OS doesn't look like the normal ones. Is it faked ? Thanks

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The Greek forger has cranked out 1000s of fakes of these on ebay.
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By pure coincidence, The Greek Forger (antiquesunlimited111_1) has three of these, all used, for sale on ebay right now - how many would you like? :lol: :

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Buy at your own peril of course.

There may be a tutorial around here differentiating the forgeries from normals but it is fair to say that forgeries outnumber the genuine by 10 to 1.

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Hi Glen & MJ's pet,

Thanks very much for the quick confirmation. Marked at the back as reference.

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Just wondering if this meets the criteria for ACSC 210g - Green mist retouch??

Not sure but it has NO watermark and the strike looks like May59!

According to the ACSC the variety occurred shortly before it was withdrawn last printing in May59!!


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Pampstamp,

No. Here are three examples from the Prestige Auctions website. Auction/Lot 109/531, 156/257 and 200/616.

The retouch is on the third stamp in the second last row (R9/3).

Note that the ACSC catalogue number is 210g.
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Just wondering if this meets the criteria for ACSC 210g - Green mist retouch??

Not even close, as the Catalogue illustrations make clear.

It is cat £4,500 mint and £3,500 used in SG, so these do not turn up readily in mixed lots. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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