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Josto,

Here's my identification of 3L20. Seems to agree. Your example is quite late usage "JL 19". Most Electro 3s I see were used ca 1916 (mid to late).

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Hi Rod,

thanks for your confirmation and for sharing your example!

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Josto's post has reminded me to add my recent eBay purchase of a used 3L16 to the ½d wiki.

Someday I'll get around to adding a few missing Electro 3 cliches to the wiki as well.
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This is 3L16 and will be added to the wiki. The text is from my suggested revision of the BSAP ½d checklist - added that the UL corner protrudes slightly & comma-shaped flaw has morphed.

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065.4.3.16.00.178-51.3L16 2400.jpg

065.4.3.16.00.178-52.3L16 2400.jpg

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Post by Greg Ioannou »

Here's something I've never seen before. This is the front of the stamp:

Certified front.jpg



And here's the back:
Certified back.jpg


Here's that image, rotated and flipped:
Certified back flipped.jpg



So it seems to be embossed

James & ...
Certified Public
Accountants
Perth W.A.

It's embossed twice -- once from the front of the stamp and once from the back.

Presumably a revenue usage, but it's sure new to me. Does anyone know the back story?

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Greg,

An innocuous equivalent or substitute for an underprint i.e. anti-theft?

Possibly too small to have been a professional seal of some kind.
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Lesley

I can help you with some of your 4d Olives.
1. not known
2. UCV D May 2010 was plated as 3L-43
3. is 3R-23

I am lucky enough to have these in good size blocks.

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search4d wrote:
14 Mar 2021 10:14
Lesley

I can help you with some of your 4d Olives.
1. not known
2. UCV D May 2010 was plated as 3L-43
3. is 3R-23

I am lucky enough to have these in good size blocks.

Search 4d
So, could you help populate the wiki gaps from your blocks?

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Greg Ioannou wrote:
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James & ...
Certified Public
Accountants
Perth W.A.

Presumably a revenue usage, but it's sure new to me. Does anyone know the back story?


Greg, you are correct in that it is an embossed colourless seal used by a firm of accountants. It is not a revenue use, the stamp has a postal cancel. Does not look like a postage stamp pressed into revenue use. A security "underprint" against theft is possible, but I feel unlikely.

My gut feeling is that it is a seal used by a Justice of the Peace or a Public Notary or similar, to certify a document or some papers, and the seal has caught the stamp.

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Post by Greg Ioannou »

Thanks, Rod and MJ. It isn't like any postal cancel I know. Here it is, sideways and enhanced by Retroreveal. I still can't make it out at all.

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It looks like a smudged machine cancellation, with two horizontal bars and two blurred lines of text below. But I could be wrong. :?

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I think my old eyes are playing tricks on me !

Is this one?
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No.... its not green. :lol:

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Yes, I'd worked that out :D. But is it a line perf? I am wanting to check if I am identifying correctly.

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Then you'll need the correct thread, rather than breaking into this one.

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=12505

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Apologies
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Then you'll need the correct thread, rather than breaking into this one.

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=12505


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GlenT wrote:
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I think my old eyes are playing tricks on me !

Is this one?
No it isn't...the vertical perforations are too even.
have a look on the SLP 1/2d green census site.
Also if you have a 1d Violet you will find the side perforations will line up perfectly.

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search4d wrote:
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Lesley

I can help you with some of your 4d Olives.
1. not known
2. UCV D May 2010 was plated as 3L-43
3. is 3R-23

I am lucky enough to have these in good size blocks.

Search 4d
Thanks very much for the updated information .

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Post by Greg Ioannou »

Is this 9AL42? It seems similar to the image in Fiora but not a perfect match. But it isn't in Guy or the wiki, so I have nothing to compare it to. I'm confident that it isn't the similar flaw on 8L5. Does anyone have a 9AL42 to compare it to?

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9AL42corner.jpg


Here's Fiora's image:
Fiora9Al42.jpg
Large multiple watermark so no margin lines to help.

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Greg,

Visually challenged Freddie and Glen's "blind nun" would say the illustration agrees with your example.
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Post by Greg Ioannou »

Visually challenged Freddie wouldn't notice that the shading lines at the right wattle leaf are very different. And Blind Glen wouldn't see that the curl under the outer frame doesn't have space above it.

Will add it to the wiki if you're that certain.

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Hopefully one for the wiki ? 3R5 CofA scratch through four shade lines , lower right side of the right value tablet.

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The current BSAP Bulletin (Apr 2021) has duplicate listings of compartment research for: 6.34revised, 6.35 and 6.36revised. No new additions to 1d Geo. V compartment wiki.
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Ron,

A related article to the compartment research, written indepedently of Monk, Wajer & Kaigg, has appeared in the April 2021 BSAP Bulletin. There are some new observations and one new theory/ Albeit, the latter is speculative only.

Its titled: KGV 1d RED: PHASE 1 COMPARTMENT MARKS AND NEW FLAWS OF V/4-5, 10-11.

I cannot post this in the wiki since I do not have permission of this particular study group. Send me an email for assistance.

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The below caught my eye :D

Any suggestions?

2d Red SMW Die 111 Emu tail
2d Red SMW Die 111 Emu tail
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And can someone help a novice with this one. Is it just underinked at the foot?
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Sorry forgot to mention single watermark.

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Hi Pampstamp,
Pampstamp wrote:
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The below caught my eye :D

Any suggestions?


Image

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For these two 2d Red Die III stamps (ex Sheet), I believe you have transient markings, as follows:

1) 2d Red SMW Die III Emu tail
This appears to be a good example of a stamp printed with heavy inking, resulting in doubling of the shading lines (mostly at right above and below the Emu's tail, but also on the left side too - such as below the LVT). Interesting.

2) 2d Red SMW Die III Emu beak
This could possibly be a flaw (but it is not noted in the 2d Die III publications that I have). More than likely it is just a one-off defect = patchiness in the printing, or in the paper - such as is common on these stamps (especially when examined at high magnification). However, if you can find another example, ....

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GregoryP wrote:
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Hi Pampstamp,
Pampstamp wrote:
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The below caught my eye :D

Any suggestions?


Image

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For these two 2d Red Die III stamps (ex Sheet), I believe you have transient markings, as follows:

1) 2d Red SMW Die III Emu tail
This appears to be a good example of a stamp printed with heavy inking, resulting in doubling of the shading lines (mostly at right above and below the Emu's tail, but also on the left side too - such as below the LVT). Interesting.

2) 2d Red SMW Die III Emu beak
This could possibly be a flaw (but it is not noted in the 2d Die III publications that I have). More than likely it is just a one-off defect = patchiness in the printing, or in the paper - such as is common on these stamps (especially when examined at high magnification). However, if you can find another example, ....

Greg.
Cheers Greg

I will keep an eye out for another beak!! :D

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Hoping that this 4d Orange (on a 1916 cover) with the break in the outer frame bottom right can be plated?

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1L46 State 1

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Derbyboi2 wrote:
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And can someone help a novice with this one. Is it just underinked at the foot?

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OVERINKED more like it. :mrgreen:
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A senior moment lol

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Two items for the experts.

1. 1d Rosine Rough paper (G68) used at Talasea New Guinea Die 2 Die 1 pair, Is the Die 2 position 9?

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2 1d Rosine Rough Paper G68 mint (lower corner marginal, usual lower left centreing) - can anyone plate the position?

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Sorry the mint Rosine must be lower left of the pane not lower right as I originally stated.

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Hello derbyboi2,
Your nice G68 can only be a left plate position ...1/55, 2/55, 3/55 or 4/55.
Good luck plating it although any frame lines might help.
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Thanks Heldo 1

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Derbyboi2

It is difficult to plate Die 2's from the spur alone.

Yours is obviously an erect spur and probably 60 degrees or greater.

2/9 has only 1 real characteristic which is a diffuse white flaw left of the TLC point (see below).

2.9.1a.jpg

Unfortunately this flaw appeared in October 1918 so won't appear in your Rosine stamp.

Presumably there is no top marginal watermark as you have discounted 2/3. And 2/15 has 2 distinct notches at the left end of the bottom frame which do not seem to be present in your stamp.

So possibly 2/9 but not definitive - as heldo1 said any compartment marks/dots would help.

Your solo stamp plates as 1/55 based on the compartment marks at BLC and at Roo's tail plus the white spot in the top right quarter of the fifth bloom of the left wattles (see below).

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Good work Dick....thank you.

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Excellent work Dick. Thanks for the info.

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There is a block of 12 containing 4 die 2's, a block of 8 with 4 die 2's, a strip of 4 with the first stamp being Die 2 and additionally 2 Die 2 Die 1 pairs on the same piece extant, all Rosine and all overprinted NWPI. They are all used at Talasea on about the same date in 1923 and may all come from the same pane of 30. I shall have the block of 8 in my hands shortly and shall compare this with the pair I have and the HD scan of the block of 12 to see if I can fit them all together! I have another Die 2 single used at Talasea for comparison but the date is not distinguishable.

Apart from the pair illustrated above which I have, and two other pairs (including one in the Royal Collection) which I haven't seen, unfortunately these are the only overprinted Rosine multiples known with the Die2 Die 1 configuration (in fact I don't think there are any other Rosine NWPI multiples). When I get the block of 8 I will be better able to compare and will post. All will be illustrated in an upcoming article in the ACCC of NSW. Until the Talasea multiples were seen late last year it was thought that there were only 2 Die 2 Die 1 overprinted pairs extant discounting that in the Royal collection.
The mint example 1/55 you have identified is one of only three mint copies known of the Die 1 Rosine overprinted NWPI (the other two have varying degrees of damage).

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Hi,

See if any of these pairs match up - from 2/1-30

3/4
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9/10
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15/16
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21/22
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27/28
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Dear Dave

Thanks for the scan of the Die 2's on smooth paper. The 'suffusion' of the colour on the rough paper Rosine makes comparison difficult but I am kicking myself for not referring to Powell and the differences in the 'A's in each line of the 5th setting. This exersise immediately fixes the pair as 21/22! I should have carried out this test immediately DOH.

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Purves not Powell DOH again!

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Any suggestions on this one? Single watermark, with lower marginal watermark line, so pos 55-60.

Fat lower corners & thinned inner white border lower right- plateable, or typical distortion/overinking of a lower marginal stamp? Can't see anything in my books.

Also, the left frame is pretty ugly & the N of PENCE isn't too neat.


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Re: AUSTRALIAN KGV STAMP - HELP FROM THE EXPERTS PLEASE

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Global Administrator wrote:
13 Mar 2021 13:08
ZOZ1947 wrote:
12 Mar 2021 15:55

But is it a Cooke or Harrison print. (How can i tell)

Do you own ANY Edition of the ACSC over the past 100 years?

And if you do, as it seems you won them, have you READ them?
Please se my post dated 13tt March 11:51:37 am
Cheers.
PS all so ACSC 2000

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Re: Australia KGV head stamps - HELP from the experts please!

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Hello,

can anyone help me with this mint KGV 2d redbrown single wmk? There is a white flaw along the kangaroos foot. I couldn`t find anything in ACSC, so is this a constant flaw? If constant, can anyone tell me the position? Thanks a lot!
Australia kgv heads and kookaburra002_cr.jpg
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Re: Australia KGV head stamps - HELP from the experts please!

Post by david3461 »

Josto

The red brown printings were from plates 12 and 16 and hence:


16R37
IMG42_20210504_0001.jpg

Compliments of Parsons, Sandy and Wawrukiewicz

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