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Can i call on the superb plating knowledge of out members please? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Bought this lovely clean part cover, clearly cds "BALLARAT - 26 MR : 16 - VIC".

I was Born in Ballarat - as curiously were all the leading leading dealers in Australia today - Gary Watson, Richard and Andy Juzwin and Stewart Wright, owner of Status Auctions etc.

It was stated to show the Die 2 erect and recumbent spurs, and could not even recall seeing such a block on any cover or piece, so thought it worth buying, as I enjoy owning possibly unique and eye catching pieces.

Any used block of 6 of common Die 1 is most unusual, even used off piece of course.

Very odd a 6d Roo was not used, which of course was a readily available value at all PO's.

Can anyone from these images, determine the plate position numbers of the 6 units of this block?

Some of the erect spurs are quite definite, so I am hoping the recumbents might be among the others?!

Thanks in advance, :mrgreen:

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Hello,

can anyone help me plating this KGV 1d red block of four NWPI overprinted!? As far as I can see all stamps show the island flaw in the upper left corner. The value tablets look, as if there might be merged die II examples? Any help would be great!

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Hi Josto

I am not 100% on this but your block of 1d reds looks very similar to a block I have as part of a sheet of 30. The sheet is plated as 1/1 - 1/30 and your block appears to be from 1/5 - 1/6 and 1/11 - 1/12. The compartment marks in the right hand stamps are very close but I have a flaw noted in 1/5 ( not sure if it officially listed ) as:

Left Wattles. Vertical cut about 0.75mm from outer edge of left frame, running from inside the top frame for 5mm, cutting through the middle of the second spray

Hope this helps ( I can post up copies of my cliches if you think it would help)

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Hi David,

thank you very much for your great help. I think you should be right! There seems to be the trace of the upper vertical watermark line on the upper two stamps and possibly also a trace of the vertical watermark line on the two left stamps! Great job!

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Josto,

Yours is definitely 1L5-6, 11-12, as David states.

Glen,

I'm finding yours very difficult. Definitely from the 1st 3 columns of Pane 2. Not from the top row or either of the bottom 2. What I'm really struggling with is the Die 2 flaw in the 2nd column, which seems to be at a higher angle on the bottom stamp than the one above- and that's not possible. For a couple of things I tried to check the postmark was in the way. There's also very little in the way of compartment marks, so early in the print run, and in some clichés this is the only way to distinguish them.

As you say, a very nice block, and I'll come back later and try again...……...
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Re Glen's Die 2's

Dare I say it but without better scans of each of the Die 2's plating is difficult and uncertain.

The best indicator from the scans is the bottom left corner of each of the 1st column stamps which show them as being somewhat pointed.

This suggests 2/25 and 2/31 as being most likely making the plating 25, 26, 27 and 31, 32 and 33.

The following diagram of the most likely candidates for the 6 stamps has some diagnostics for each of the Die 2's which I have found to be far more reliable than guessing the spur angle.

L68 refers to a compartment mark at shade line 68 on left frame.

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And to help here is a diagram of the shade line numbers.

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Hope this helps.

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Thanks mobbor and roninrr - what stamps in the block would be best for me to scan in detail to give you a clearer guide?

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Glen

A scan of each of the 4 Die 2's as individual stamps say at 600dpi would be best.

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Perhaps this will be better for checking fine detail - if you click on the image it gets HUGE -
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Looks good when enlarged.

Best diagnostic is on top middle stamp with distinct compartment mark at L68 which identifies as 2/32.

This would give your multiple as 2/31-33, 2/37-39.

Supplementary confirmation from 2/39 (bottom right stamp) with compartment mark at R56 and with the bottom right serif of the 'T' of 'POSTAGE' deformed (undersized).

Left frame compartment marks on the 2 Die 1's are also consistent with
Monk's 2/31 and 2/37.

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Thanks Dick.

Looking at large scan of stamp 2/31 is ISOLATION this Die 2 looking "spur" could look very much like the ''recumbent'' one! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Looks not dissimilar to stamps 50 and 56 images in ACSC. :mrgreen:

Can't recall ever seeing a block 4 of Die 2 on cover before.
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mobbor wrote:What I'm really struggling with is the Die 2 flaw in the 2nd column, which seems to be at a higher angle on the bottom stamp than the one above - and that's not possible.
mobbor -- here is stamp 2 in the block, spur detail. Possibly the postmark disguised the spur angle?

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Hi Glen

Here are some images of the DIE 2 flaws from the 2nd pane 31-60.

Either way they should help you decide what you have.....

Cheers David ( I can post individual stamps if you need further clarification)


2/31 - 32 - 33

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2/37 - 38 - 39

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2/43 - 44 - 45

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2/49 - 50 - 51

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2/55 - 56 - 57

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Thanks David .. very nice images. :)

So you have that full NWPI pane?

Dick has nailed the exact positions on the used Block 6 very accurately above I think ... thank to all. :)

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I'm taking apart an old collection, and it had this stamp in it at 4R59. From the date of the postmark, it has to be from electro 1 or 2.

I can't spot anything like it in the Wiki or Dix and Rowntree.

(And no, it isn't just a scratch on the stamp!)

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Greg,

Is this stamp unwatermarked? Show us the back of it!

Also refresh your memory on the dates of issue of Electros 4 & 5.
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Electro 4 was printed in January 1916 (ACSC) and the earliest known used copies are from May 1916 (D&R). As of the date on the postmark, only electros 1 and 2 have been used to print stamps.

Here's a scan of the back of the would-be 4R59. Fairly clearly not from the bottom row of the sheet. (And much rattier-looking than the front of the stamp, alas.)

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I can't find it either, and with a flaw like that, you'd expect it to be listed. It's definitely not 4R59, which does have a gash on the head, but in a completely different position.

Not sure I understand Rod's comment about Electro 4 & 5. According to BW E.4 was first printed with E.2 in Jan. 1916 & E.5 not till April 1916. However, it could be E.3, which was a single printing with E.2 in Oct. 1915.
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Thanks. I hadn't considered electro 3, which was printed that October. Didn't think it likely that stamps from it would make it to Tasmania for October 16 use. But not impossible.

There's nothing in D&R or the wiki that's anything like this variety for electro 3 though. Lots of gaps in both for electro 3, so not impossible.

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Is there a list of which unpositioned constant flaws in Dix and Rowntree have had their plate positions identified?

I thought I saw one in the wiki but Google and I couldn't find it.

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Greg,

I experienced early on-set dyslexia when I read the date on your stamp. I must have transposed the '15' & '16' - apologies.

I haven't seen this flaw on any Electro 3 stamps I've looked at....but will now re-inspect all of them for any clues. This flaw reminds me of two similar cliches. The first is the unidentified 'USTR' crack I discovered was actually a late state of 3L19. The second is the supposed scratch on the 4d Geo V that turned out to be a crack on 2L45.

Interesting. I will probably incorporate this one as an Unidentified variety in my Electro 3 checklist update. Nnotwithstanding it could be also from Electros 1 or 2.
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Hello,

Can anyone help me with these two KGV 2d oranges? As both seem to have the identical blurred flaw between the left wattles and the S of Australia, I thought it might be a constant flaw. I had a quick look through the WIKI, but couldn`t find a matching scan.

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Ahoj josto!

Could the bottom one be MELBOURNE?

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Ba18. Hopefully, it can be confirmed by a marginal watermark line, because it is from the right column.

Edit: He's looking at the flaw not the postmark.
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Josto, it's on pages 128-9 of the second edition of the Parsons et al book.

Unlocated constant variety from one of plates 5, 5A, 6 and 6A. UCV #Ba18.

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Ba-18 is required for the wiki and both look good to me
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Hi gutters, of course you can take every identified KGV head for the WIKI.

Here is a stamp, that made me struggle with ACSC! ACSC has the same picture for 95(1)f 1L57 and for 9588A)h 8AL57 and also the exact same description "Blurred white flaws in front of kangaroo and in left value tablet"! This example fits quite good the pictures and also has a horizontale lower marginal watermark line, but can anyone tell me which is the right position?

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josto wrote:Hi gutters, of course you can take every identified KGV head for the WIKI.

Here is a stamp, that made me struggle with ACSC! ACSC has the same picture for 95(1)f 1L57 and for 9588A)h 8AL57 and also the exact same description "Blurred white flaws in front of kangaroo and in left value tablet"! This example fits quite good the pictures and also has a horizontale lower marginal watermark line, but can anyone tell me which is the right position?

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Hi Gutters,

thank you very much! I just had a look at ACSC again and now I saw the footnote!

Best wishes!

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A very different L of AUSTRALIA. Retouched? No date, but Large Multiple, so from Electros 4-7.

I'm unable to locate to locate in the checklist. ?
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Mobbor, I have full panes of 6L and 7L and it isn't on either of those.

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Thanks Greg. Looks like it will remain a mystery.
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Yep, like the one I posted a few days ago. Yours has to be a retouch, so I suspect more copies will turn up as people look for them.

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Hey Guys,

Not listed on the KGV 1½d wiki thread.

2nd WMK Brown, bullet hole above "E" of "POSTAGE".

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Darkice wrote:Image

Also 2nd WMK and not listed.

White flaw in front of Kings face,

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And this one also,

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Darkice wrote:Image

Also 2nd WMK and not listed.

White flaw in front of Kings face,

Regards Mal.
This is plated at 8L55 in Bill Fiora's flaw location guide. Nothing matching the previous bullet hole though.

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mobbor,

RE: your recent ½d

A retouch amounting to that size would be impossible to achieve (and insignificant). Bumping up the plate from the back would have had serious consequences to surrounding adjacent areas. You are looking at an area, under magnification, that's the size of a pinhead.

Ask your self, "Can I see it with the naked eye?"
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Kainnikanada.

I'm not sure I understand your last post.
mobbor wrote:Image

A very different L of AUSTRALIA. Retouched? No date, but Large Multiple, so from Electros 4-7.

I'm unable to locate to locate in the checklist. ?
It may not have been bumped up, but surely it is a significant difference!
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Hi Guys,

Looking for some help with this one.

3d Blue C of A (Type 6) Wmk not listed on the Wiki Data Base,

Small white scratch BLH outer frame.

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Darkice,

This was one of Ash's better efforts. Very few flaws are recorded for Plates 5-8, and enough your flaw looks like it could be constant, it's not in the checklist.
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The wiki says 2R14 has no known flaws, but D&R say "NOTCH IN LOWER FRAME -- wide 0.5 mm notch in lower frame 5 mm from BRC (late stage)". And they give an illustration that looks a lot like this guy.

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I didn't scan the back. It's a generic single crown A with no frame lines. It was in a collection, labelled "Retouch A of HALF" -- which seems imaginative.

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Then I thought to look in my collection, where I have this block.

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That's 2R1-2/7-8/13-14.

And here's the 2R14 from that block. No notch in the lower frame, but a slightly fuzzy area where the notch would presumably eventually appear.

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Here's one of my 2R14. I have several NWPI blocks of 30 with the identical flaw.
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Thanks! I think I'm becoming convinced that mine is a later state of the same thing. Shape is similar but it is bigger.

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And I can't see anything else it could be.

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Greg,

I agree.

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It's a bit easier to see when you blow it up. Just a slightly fuzzy patch in that same spot.

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Greg,

Are you scanning through a stock page? The clarity of the image is very poor. Either your scanner is suspect as well or you haven't adjusted its settings.

If I peer into the scan it looks similar to what we both have previously posted. It's not blurred. Here's an image I edited/adjusted in PhotoShop:
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This type of frame break appears to be a pre-existing imperfection in the mold made from the electro-plating procedure. The white area inside the break represents a low area of the cliche that was un-inked while the printing took place.

Without confirming examples it is difficult to state whether this is a 1st or 2nd state. These metal electros were tough so I do not see the first state being a solid frame in the area but I cannot state with certainty.
Looking for NSW cut-down relief date stamps, as seen in my avatar, to add to my collection.

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Re: Australia KGV head stamps - HELP from the experts please

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I'm finding the Quickie Wiki posts in the halfpenny KGV wiki to be extremely helpful, especially for electros 1 and 3, which are poorly covered by D&R. Many thanks for whoever pulled them together.

I'd love to see them pulled together into a Fiora-style Flaw Identification Guide for the halfpenny value, and would be willing to put in some of the work needed to pull that off. But I don't have the time or expertise to do it all by myself.

If anyone else is interested, I'm happy to start on some of the initial work needed. I think it can be a relatively simple project if several of us tackle it together.

I'm thinking of it as another Wiki resource, not a print book.

Greg

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