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Definitely a smooth paper.
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And the watermark isn't inverted.

It's impossible to identify the shade from a scan. With the rust stain at bottom left and no major plate flaws, this one is unlikely to be worth much. Sorry! They're usually more fun than this one.

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Greg Ioannou wrote:
10 Jun 2020 05:57
And the watermark isn't inverted.

It's impossible to identify the shade from a scan. With the rust stain at bottom left and no major plate flaws, this one is unlikely to be worth much. Sorry! They're usually more fun than this one.
Well, I made a mess of that! My apologies.

The correct reverse might have helped.

SG21 ACSC 71?

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In Australia, we normally just say single watermark, as, unlike the roos, there is only one type.

It's smooth paper. If I have time I'll post an e.g. of rough paper.

Very hard to tell the shade from a monitor and without a date, but that is unlikely to be G10. The pink 'blush' on the back suggests that it has aniline ink, which G10 doesn't.
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Not sure if this helps really, but, I came across this copy of 7/34 in my collection. The only reference to this cliche, which does not have any listed flaws, that I could find, was in the compartment line wiki which also mentioned the fact that the crown top sloped from right to left ( or leaned from right to left ) inconsistently.

I noticed from your copy that there does not appear to be any compartment marks but there may be a small notch in the inner left frame seventeen shade lines below the left wattles stem. This copy appears to have a similar notch.

As I said, not sure if it is meaningful, but....??

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I can't place this white mark in the right wattles. Doesn't look like a tin shed or anything like that.

Single watermark, no margin lines.
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4L29 maybe?

Shading At Right Of Right Wattle Spray: 20th, 21st and 22nd lines (counting down) distorted and 23rd almost missing at right of fourth bloom.

Shading Behind Kangaroo: Two lines weak with right halves missing behind rump.
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Many thanks David3461

If anyone could post a rough paper example it would advance my knowledge.

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Thanks, David. You're crazy good at this!

John, here's a smooth paper rose (G21) beside a rough paper rose-red (G63).
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Many thanks.

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Assistance required with this item please :Plating !
2d Orange Single Watermark Die I perf 14 have looked in PARSONS /SANDY /WAWRUKIEWICZ
Appears to be obvious fault ? (not creasing)
Major displacement top r/h corner , bottom l/h corner also has a white mark also not in catalogue.

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Bear what ever it is, it is affecting it all the way down to the AL, it is missing the top left leaves of the right wattles.
Can we look at the back please.
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I almost had myself convinced that this was 17R49, until I checked the watermark and saw that it's from the top row of the sheet -- presumably positions 2, 3, 4 or 5, because there's no trace of a corner. Check out the king's neck, and just below it.
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Gutters
please see scan of back !
not much to see !

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bear0001,

The back appears relatively fine - no apparent crease or tear behind the questionable surface area.
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I would give it a soak to remove that paper.
On the stamp side it looks as if a void was created in the area of the green line and then the stamp fell into it.
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The first thing that need to happen to that 2d orange is a good bath to get rid of all the paper & rubbish off the back, so that the area of interest can be looked at properly.
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Greg Ioannou wrote:
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I almost had myself convinced that this was 17R49, until I checked the watermark and saw that it's from the top row of the sheet -- presumably positions 2, 3, 4 or 5, because there's no trace of a corner. Check out the king's neck, and just below it.

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Greg. It is 24R2. There is a nice example in the wiki.

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I'm curious to see what it looks like when it's had a bath. I think the stamp is damaged. See below.

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Thanks, Ross.

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The first stamp on this strip of three seems to be UCV H15. And I'm going cross-eyed looking at the other two, trying to find something platable on them. They're from the top row of a sheet, with no side watermark line. So 2, 3, and 4 or 3, 4, and 5.

The strip:
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I'm 99% confident that this is 22L24. What's confused me about the stamp is the number of flaws that aren't in the reference books or the wiki for this position. I've circled the unrecorded ones I'm seeing. And at least the bottom two -- lower left margin and RVT -- don't look like the sort of transient printing blobs that don't get noticed.

Do any of you have copies of 22L24 with any of the circled flaws on them?
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Greg Ioannou wrote:
22 Jun 2020 03:46
I'm 99% confident that this is 22L24. What's confused me about the stamp is the number of flaws that aren't in the reference books or the wiki for this position. I've circled the unrecorded ones I'm seeing. And at least the bottom two -- lower left margin and RVT -- don't look like the sort of transient printing blobs that don't get noticed.

Do any of you have copies of 22L24 with any of the circled flaws on them?

Greg, here is example of 22L24 that I have just found amongst some stamps I haven't plated yet. It does not show any of the colour flaws that you have circled. The bottom left corner is similar but not identical.

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Your example and the one in the Wiki are both state 2. State 1 is basically the same but does not have shortening of the right end of the 11th shading line down from the base of the right wattle stem.

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Thanks, Ross!

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Why I love the wiki: none of the reference books identify this striking flaw as 18L51. The wiki does!
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Greg on behalf of all the image contributors and as an editor your welcome.

At present there are about 500 images in the posting thread that are not in the main wiki at present I am working on the 1d thread that was half destroyed, although some/a lot of that 500 are going into the 1d thread as I progress the wiki is becoming a big reference tool so I would also like to thank all the many image contributors.

Greg the strip of three and your latest 18L15 could you please add them to the posting thread.
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GUTTERS wrote:
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Greg on behalf of all the image contributors and as an editor your welcome.

At present there are about 500 images in the posting thread that are not in the main wiki at present I am working on the 1d thread that was half destroyed, although some/a lot of that 500 are going into the 1d thread as I progress the wiki is becoming a big reference tool so I would also like to thank all the many image contributors.

Greg the strip of three and your latest 18L15 could you please add them to the posting thread.
Thanks again for all of your work. Will happily add those to the posting thread.

By the way, I notice that my "AL missing" stamp IS in the 2014 Brusden White as 90(18)j, and they have it as 18L50, not 18L51.

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Greg just had a look at mobbor's version and they are different maybe we should wait for him to have a look and see what he say's.
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I am happy that Greg's example is correct, as long as it is no watermark, which it appears to be.

I am totally confused about the copy in the wiki which I apparently put there in 2018. Now I can't find it in my collection. I did find a pair 18L50-51, but it's used- see below.

I have serious doubts whether it should be listed at all. It's probably a freak- an example of a 'demolished bull's eye', like 29R40 that I wrote about in this thread some time ago. I have 3 copies: the 1st is normal, the 2nd has a 'bull's eye' above C of PENCE, the 3rd has the C missing. There a few other copies showing intermediate stages, that Lance Skinner owned and wrote about in the 'Bulletin' a long time ago.

Greg's example here has bits of A and L showing, which suggests it is also an intermediate stage, and somewhere there should be at least one copy with a 'bull's eye'.

GUTTERS, it may well be another year till I can get back to assist in the wiki, by which time I will have finished checking about 50,000 KGV's I've received...…….
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mobbor wrote:
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GUTTERS, it may well be another year till I can get back to assist in the wiki, by which time I will have finished checking about 50,000 KGV's I've received...…….
In April I bought a "collection" -- 35 fat volumes in four very heavy cartons -- of KGV heads, supposedly all with plate flaws. It's probably about half a million stamps. It has carefully handwritten descriptions of the flaws on each stamp, in two different handwritings. So some volumes are from one person's collection, and the other seems to be an earlier collection he was incorporating into his own. The collector was just plain wrong about 60% of the time, and the earlier guy may as well have been blind.

(All of which is all focussing me on how much of my OWN 35-volume collection is still disorganized or worse.)

I'm envisioning some future stamp auction with my collection and what's left of this one I just bought as well as what's left of the earlier guy's collection that came along with it ....

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mobbor wrote:
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I am happy that Greg's example is correct, as long as it is no watermark, which it appears to be.

I am totally confused about the copy in the wiki which I apparently put there in 2018. Now I can't find it in my collection. I did find a pair 18L50-51, but it's used- see below.

I have serious doubts whether it should be listed at all. It's probably a freak- an example of a 'demolished bull's eye', like 29R40 that I wrote about in this thread some time ago. I have 3 copies: the 1st is normal, the 2nd has a 'bull's eye' above C of PENCE, the 3rd has the C missing. There a few other copies showing intermediate stages, that Lance Skinner owned and wrote about in the 'Bulletin' a long time ago.

Greg's example here has bits of A and L showing, which suggests it is also an intermediate stage, and somewhere there should be at least one copy with a 'bull's eye'.
So that's like the CNE flaw, no? Somewhat transitory, but definitely still collectible. And I think things like that should be listed.

And yes, my copy of 18L50-1 has no watermark.

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@mobbor take your time the more you look the more you find and when you are done you will have a lot to post on the posting thread.

@Greg 35+ fat albums where are all the images. The wiki has a lot of space still to fill.
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Gutters. When you have caught up I now have most three half pence die 2 to fill the gaps plus quite a few plated compartment marks.

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I just received an email from Bill Fiora.

RSellens, you might like to share the findings re your block of 4 from 1½d Die 1 E.13. Great find!
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Mobbor. It should appear shortly. I have been too busy being nurse and housekeeper for she who must be obeyed who had a total hip replacement on Monday. Should be able to do it over the weekend.

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At least SIX flaws on this one, and I can't plate it. (Single watermark, no margin lines.) I'm sure most of them are random ink splotches, but ....
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I was trying to plate this block of 4 last weekend. I initially thought that the top right stamp was 13L4. The bottom left stamp is UCV G27 which would then position it at 13L9 but this already had allocated flaws which led me to believe that the top right stamp must be UCV H77. I sent a scan of the block to Bill Fiora in the hope that he may have other blocks or pairs that might aid in the plating. Bill then got to work and finally plated this block at 13L3,4,9,10. Bill examined a full sheet of Elecro 13 and found that the previously listed flaw for 13L9 was in fact 13L10 so there may have been a transcrition error by original researchers.

Desciptions of these cliches are:

13L3 (New Plating)
The bottom ends of the shading lines on the left side of the king's neck are shortened, somewhat similar to cliche 17L17.

13L4
(a) Top Frame: The outer coloured border frame is thinned and uneven throughout with the crown top just a small hump. Variable.
(b) Crown: On some copies the left side of the maltese cross is blurred.
(c) Left Wattles: There is a small roughly round white flaw in the bottom wattle leaf just above and to the left of the top of the stem of the leaf and level with the 3rd shading line down from the tip of the kangaroo's ear.

Note 1: This state of the stamp only appears in late red printings.
Note 2: Some copies have missing top, left and bottom perforation holes which may assist in identifying this stamp.

13L9 (Previously UCV G27)
(a) Emu: Spot attached to underside of point of beak.
(b) CVT: Small spot to the left of the "H" of"HALFPENCE" slightly above the level ofthe top of the "H" and 1.75mm above the bottom frame.

13L10 (Previously 13L9)
CVT: Flaw on the underside of the upper limb of the "F" of "HALFPENCE".


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Well done Ross,
another UCV put to bed.
Always great to see blocks intact as it opens up opportunities for further research as this proves.
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So that mark from the emu's head down to the right 2. Ideas? I can't find it in Parsons or in the wiki.
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That vertical line on the 2d orange is a Tin Shed flaw.
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Thanks! I wondered. I'm not used to them being streaks like that.

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Need some help with this 1½d Die 1.

White area Left value shield under Kangaroos heel4.


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Hi Les,
I would possibly go with 14L6.
does it have a top or right marginal w/mark you can see?
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Agreed that it is 14L6. And the watermark is high enough on the stamp that the margin line probably won't show. It's ACSC 88(14)f.

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Would people agree that this is 3R23? Flaw on base of right value tablet. I think it's similar enough, if a little less pronounced.

My stamp:

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Re: Australia KGV head stamps - HELP from the experts please!

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Pom, yes, 3R23. The Wajer book on these doesn't show any similar varieties in other positions. And the book says of 3R23 that "The 6 lowest shading lines below RVT and CVT are retouched" -- and your copy shows the retouching clearly.

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Re: Australia KGV head stamps - HELP from the experts please!

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Thanks Greg, much appreciated.
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Re: Australia KGV head stamps - HELP from the experts please!

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Thanks everyone for their replies to my last post. :D

Have a new enquiry. Block of six 1d reds, watermark central and no marginal lines.

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The only hope of plating this block appears to be these two stamps .

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Have looked in the wiki and no luck, hope someone with better eye sight can help.

Thanks
Les

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Re: Australia KGV head stamps - HELP from the experts please!

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Hello,

I`ve got a question about this KGV ½d red single wmk. I can`t see a characteristic flaw and I`d expect it to be not plateable, but maybe the specialists can help!? The question why I ask is, that is has an inverted wmk. As it has no readable date, I can`t say, if it might be from the scarcer Harrison printing!? I forgot to say, there is no wmk line visible from back!

Would be great to get some help!

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Re: Australia KGV head stamps - HELP from the experts please!

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Josto, I tried the scratch on the emu's front leg and the dot in the left 2, but no luck with either of them.

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