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2d red Die 11 SMW .

Stamp One , Small compartment dot left side crown top


Stamp 2. White flaw in front Emu's neck and TLC slopes left to right.
Small compartment spike left side grown top.

Die 2 SMW .
Die 2 SMW .

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Lesley wrote:
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2d red Die 11 SMW .

Stamp One , Small compartment dot left side crown top


Stamp 2. White flaw in front Emu's neck and TLC slopes left to right.
Small compartment spike left side grown top.


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Hi Greg,

thank you very much for trying to help out with this one! So I'll just put it back into the album as watermark inverted, printer not specified.

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Help from the experts please.

I have this 1d Red KGV that I am not sure if it qualifies for a Rusted Cliché.

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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Mobbor.... Really. A simple no would suffice.

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I thought he was joking, but am happy to apologise.
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mobbor wrote:
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I thought he was joking, but am happy to apologise.
No problem Mobbor, I can assure you I"m not that funny. :lol: :lol:

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I've added the following 1d Geo V compartment wiki plate positions from the April 2020 "Stamp Talk" issue:

4-09 New
4-10 Revised
4-11 New
6-44 New
6-47 New
6-48 New
8-31 Revised

I also noted that numerous posts were not properly/successfully transferred to the new Stampboards' server. Lots of "image" icons.

I'll gradually work sequentially through them to update the wiki. Will post a notice here when completed.

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Rod, Gutters said a couple of weeks ago: "At present there are about 500 images in the posting thread that are not in the main wiki at present I am working on the 1d thread that was half destroyed, although some/a lot of that 500 are going into the 1d thread as I progress the wiki is becoming a big reference tool so I would also like to thank all the many image contributors."

Glad to see two people who know what they're doing working on it! Thanks!

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Greg Ioannou wrote:
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Rod, Gutters said a couple of weeks ago: "At present there are about 500 images in the posting thread that are not in the main wiki at present I am working on the 1d thread that was half destroyed, although some/a lot of that 500 are going into the 1d thread as I progress the wiki is becoming a big reference tool so I would also like to thank all the many image contributors."

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Added this to the wiki last night.


All of the Australian KGV wiki threads in one spot.
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That's a brilliant idea. I didn't know a couple of these threads existed. Straight onto my bookmark bar this one goes!

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I believe all corrupted images in the "1d Compartment" wiki have been replaced.

If I have missed any please post your comment on this thread and I will make the required corrections.

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Help required with this CTO maybe :?

I think it is ACSC 97w CTO hinged with gum.

my concern is that I have never seen or heard of a double strike cancel. Be gentle. :lol: :lol:
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Tony, it's the type iii Melbourne precancel hammer. Nice stamp! (I guess the postal clerk sneezed as he stamped that guy.)

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Greg Ioannou wrote:
08 Jul 2020 16:11
Tony, it's the type iii Melbourne precancel hammer. Nice stamp! (I guess the postal clerk sneezed as he stamped that guy.)
Thanks Greg, Glad I asked :shock:

Any idea the value or should I just put it down as current ACSC valuation?

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Here is an interesting one for the experts.

ACSC 101f(3)za SM watermark MUH, with variety shaved O. An interesting part imprint in salvage just above "JOHN ASH".
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Your imprint is pretty much the standard for plates 3 and 4 although somewhat more defined.

Here's some examples:
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Assistance required with this item please :
KGV 2d Die III Small Multiple Watermark opt O.S
Is this a forgery please advise !

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No reason why it should be a forgery.

If it's from Plate 1 or 2, it should be possible to plate it, but the flaws are very small. If you do an enlargement of No. 55 I may be able to assist. Both Plates 1 and 2 have a flaw in this position. Unfortunately Plates 3 and 4 have no flaws on any of those cliches.
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satsuma wrote:
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Your imprint is pretty much the standard for plates 3 and 4 although somewhat more defined.

Here's some examples:

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Thanks Satsuma...always learning. :)

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Unfortunately the stamp is damaged AND there's a postmark covering the most interesting part.

So here's the stamp. There's a bump in the lower left margin that I can't place. More intriguingly, there seems to be a major scratch or crack in the lower right margin -- right where the heavy curved postmark is.
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This is what it what it looks like in Retroreveal, with both those things circled.
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Any help with analysis or plating is appreciated.

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Thank you for your reply , I sold this item to a person and he asked if this was a forgery of 1933 0r 1932
and I replied what are you talking about . He claims 2 people around that time did forgeries but the only one I know about is the lottery scam but they were not Ovpt O.S


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I wonder why you asked. It is very easy to distinguish one of those forgeries- unwatermarked and perf. 11. An example is illustrated in BW p.4/289. They are worth quite a lot. The price of a single on cover is $6,000.
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Hi I have a question about shades.

This ACSC95 single watermark, I'm not sure if it is 95C Intense Orange (Aniline) (December 1920)

The date of the cancel does put it in the right date period, but I lack the knowledge to identify for sure. :(

I have placed it under a UV light and the front shows like a Very Dark Orange and the back has a dark solid cream. I hope this description makes sense. :oops:
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I cannot find this doozy flaw in the KGV ACSC - though mine is 2014 not the latest one. Anyone aware of this printing flaw?

I have nicknamed it the Assassination Stamp as it looks like the exit wound of a bullet hole :D Hey just sayin!
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I agree - there is little else it could be really - should i send the stamp to ACSC for catalogue purposes maybe? Only because i think it is unique flaw as you suggest... there appears to be another flaw - red ink spill above the kangaroo ears as well which i forgot to mention, ironically in the shape of an arrowhead, hence my nickname for the stamp! - there are a number of flaws on the stamp in point of fact but not like these

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I just posted this in the Wiki, but thought I should check that I've identified everything correctly. Few of the expected flaws in this block actually appear. Watermark confirms that the block is from the left margin.

Block, 3L7-8/3L13-14, (inverted) single watermark.
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The individual stamps:

3L7

This copy does not show the white flaw to the left of the U in AUSTRALIA.

The damage in the left frame is presumably transitory.
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3L8, State 2

Left frame: Two blunt open notches occupying 3mm and commencing 4 mm from bottom corner.
Value tablet: Upward notch from margin below right centre of H of HALPFENCE.
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3L13

No known flaws. (But look at the top left corner -- surely that is a constant flaw?)
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3L14

Neither of the reported flaws (shading behind roo and notch in RVT) appear on this copy.
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These is kind of a cool pair.
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Here they are from the front. Boring, eh?

Now here they are from the back.
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Both stamps have the frame of the watermark bent in the same way.

Presumably the same plate position, eh? Have watermark varieties like this ever been plated? (Somewhere I have a couple of others with the A in the watermark damaged.)

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Greg: re your block of 4.

it's obviously correct. There is a hint of the flaw on 3L7. I have a better copy which I will add to the wiki, but not for some time. I don't have a copy of 3L13, so have nothing to compare it with. L14 would only be State 1 anyway. Perhaps just add a note- replace with a better example when available. I do have copies of state 2 in brown.

I have only ever seen one stamp with a bent marginal watermark line- on a 2d orange. Certainly worth displaying. They have to be the same cliche, though I notice an upward notch below the first E of PENCE- on the lefthand stamp only- that you'd think would be constant(?)
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TonyL wrote:
09 Jul 2020 19:52
Hi I have a question about shades.

This ACSC95 single watermark, I'm not sure if it is 95C Intense Orange (Aniline) (December 1920)

The date of the cancel does put it in the right date period, but I lack the knowledge to identify for sure. :(

I have placed it under a UV light and the front shows like a Very Dark Orange and the back has a dark solid cream. I hope this description makes sense. :oops:

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Any thoughts please.

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TonyL,

No chance of determining that from a scan. The way the image appears will be different on different monitors. However, intense orange is aniline, which normally shows a 'blush' on the back.

It's most likely brown-orange.
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mobbor wrote:
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I have only ever seen one stamp with a bent marginal watermark line- on a 2d orange. Certainly worth displaying. They have to be the same cliche, though I notice an upward notch below the first E of PENCE- on the lefthand stamp only- that you'd think would be constant(?)
I'd assumed that they make a batch of paper and then use it for whatever values they need to print. All the sheets from that batch would have the bent frame.

So, say, some would get used to print some 2d stamps, then they'd print some 1d stamps, and maybe then some 2d stamps from a different cliche. But that watermark would always be on whatever stamp happened to print in that spot. So if the bend was in the upper left pane, position 7, you could be sure that the bend was position L7 but couldn't be sure of which electro it was from?

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mobbor wrote:
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TonyL,

No chance of determining that from a scan. The way the image appears will be different on different monitors. However, intense orange is aniline, which normally shows a 'blush' on the back.

It's most likely brown-orange.
Thanks Mobbor for taking the time to give me your thoughts. Much appreciated.

Could you please explain what you mean by "blush" :oops:

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Aniline ink is fugitive and on soaking the ink leeches into the paper. Here's an example from the 1d red- G60.

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It's emphasised on the watermark where the paper is thinner. This is a fairly extreme example and it does not always occur, if you soak carefully.

The other thing you could do, is post another image with another 1920 stamp that looks different.
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mobbor wrote:
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Aniline ink is fugitive and on soaking the ink leeches into the paper. Here's an example from the 1d red- G60.

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It's emphasised on the watermark where the paper is thinner. This is a fairly extreme example and it does not always occur, if you soak carefully.

The other thing you could do, is post another image with another 1920 stamp that looks different.
Thx Mobbor, I will see what I can find and post here later on tonight after work.

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Hello,

can anyone help me plating this mint never hinged KGV 1½d red single wmk with bottom selvedge!? It has a flawed lower right corner! I`ve mad a close-up scan of the affected area!

Thanks a lot

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Josto,

The flaw within the frame appears to be 22R60, although the illustration in the checklist doesn't show the bottom frame rising into the corner. The only other flaw is the right half of the top shading line in the top right corner is missing.

Does the watermark suggest it could be no. 60?
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Hi Mobbor,

I think you could be right! The watermark is inverted, but it is a corner watermark! ACSC mentions, that Harrison printings with inverted watermark are scarce!? Is it correct, that the upper right positions of Electro 22 were Harrison printings (ACSC mentions this for Electro 22)!?

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I have three copies of 22R60, and all three have the corner rising like that. But the flaws on mine look just like the one in the wiki, and the broken line at the top is pretty distinctive. I'm not sure about Josto's stamp.
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Here's a close-up of the first one, which shows both flaws clearly.
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Help from the experts please.

While sorting some old stamps I have found this 1d Red KGV ASCS 71 with a Crimson dot top right corner in selvage.

Has this been scene before and if so does it mean anything or is it just a dot and I should move on :lol:
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It's a different colour to the stamp and is simply a spot of ink that has come from someone's pen or some other external source unrelated to the printing of the stamp.
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Thanks.....I will move on then. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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TonyL wrote:
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Has this been scene before and if so does it mean anything or is it just a dot and I should move on :lol:

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If you haven't guessed yet I have lots of time on my hands and am looking through my stock piles of stamps. :D

This stamp is ACSC100 SM watermark Die II, 13.5 x 12.5 comb perf.

ACSC has no record of this stamp with a variety "White flaw behind King's neck".

The copy I have is similar, but not quite the same as variety ACSC96(8A)e

Has anyone seen this variety on the later SM watermark paper? And can it be plated at all?

ACSC 96(8A)e variety as shown in ACSC catalogue 2018 edition, "White flaw behind King's neck".
2d KGV 5.jpg

My find on SM watermark paper
2d KGV 1.jpg
2d KGV 2.jpg
2d KGV 3.jpg
2d KGV 4.jpg
Look forward to your thoughts,

TonyL.

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Great scans, but it's some paper(?) stuck on the top. You can see shading lines underneath.
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It looks like a minor scuff that has partially removed the lines to me.
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Re: Australia KGV head stamps - HELP from the experts please!

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The Pom wrote:
15 Jul 2020 22:58
It looks like a minor scuff that has partially removed the lines to me.
Thanks Mobbor and The Pom for your thoughts.

After a closer look at the stamp in question The Pom is correct as you can see indentations on the surface were the paper has been scuffed. :(

Oh well on to the next one. :lol: :lol:

Thanks again guys.

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