NZ 1901-1909 "Penny Universal" stamp, detailed Tutorial

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Hi Lars!

Als deutsprachige User können wir Photobucket nicht gut verwenden. Wenn du hier Bilder uploaden willst, dann verwende einfach http://www.666kb.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. Das wird auch in deutschen Briefmarkenforen gerne versendet. Es ist einfach zu handhaben, kostet nichts, und ich verwende dieses Progamm auch hier ohne Probleme. Alles was du tun musst ist deine Bilder nicht größer sein darf als 800 pixel um sie hier auf Stampboards verwenden zu können.

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Danke, werde es nachher mal versuchen.
Gruß, Lars

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Here is Lars stamp:

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and my reply with illustrations:

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Stamp is a Booklet type CP G7a, SG303b

The Booklet type stamps were cut into Panes prior to making up Booklets.
This stamp comes from Pane 21 and found on the original sheet at Row 9, Column 9

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Roly

What programme do you use to enter your narrative illustrations on the stamp?

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Hi Roly,

thanks a lot for this expert determination of my stamp.
It seems to me that your experience is nearly endless.
So thank you again that you let participate us all from your knowledge.

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RolyRJ wrote: If YOU have any blocks or multiples of the Penny Universal I would love
to hear from you. My mission is to complete a Local Plate 1 reconstruction
but I need blocks or multiples to do it.

Singles won't do the job

Let's hear from you

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Hi Roly
You wrote the above some time ago and so I am not sure if you still want to see scans of Local Plate 1 blocks. Here is a block of six on Pirie (Waterlow) paper perf 11. I believe that it is Local Plate 1 as p218 of Postage Stamps of New Zealand vol 1 states that stamps in rows 1-5, columns 16-24 show the minute dot above the top left-hand corner of the value label (similar to the London prints).
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Four of these stamps have the dot while the middle two have a vertical guideline as shown below:
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The larger scans are in the same order as the block of six. Do not know the precise position.
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Here's a copy of G2(a) Pirie paper, w.6, perf 11
Notice the second row of perfs on the right side...
I don't see any mention of this in the Campbell Paterson catalog.
-only mentioned 'extra' perfs are with reference to the 11x14 mixed perfs
Just an example of reperfing a bad perf job?
Is this rare?

Also... I haven't picked up the story on the perf 11 & perf 14 and the "why" yet from my reading.

Was the perf 11 machine the primary one used & the perf 14 machine used only when the
perf 11 machine was being repaired?

Or was the perf 14 machine an "extra" used to get a second person working to increase production?

Or was it introduced later? (supported by the Basted Mills being mostly perf 14)
So the Pirie paper perf 14 would have been leftover sheets perfed along with Basted Mills sheets...

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Thank you Bob, yes you have the identification correct and it ties up exactly with what I have here.
Very nice clean block and nice scans, thank you :)

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Doug,

Nice example of the G2a, w6 Perf 11 Pirie paper :)

Not too many folk find them with the double perfs as in your example because they simply get over looked.

What you have is catalogued in CP as the G2a(Z) ie Double perforation as opposed to Mixed perforation.

The Double perf in this case are two rows of perf 11 alongside each other.
A Mixed perf example would have been originally perf 14 and then reperfed as perf 11.
In the mixed perf example the perf 14 will be way out of registration, so they put a patch across the back of the sheet to cover over the perf 14 and then reperf it in the correct registration with perf 11.

My Avatar is such an example :)

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Hi Roly,

just received your letter with the selection of Penny Universals.

Great! Great! Great! Great!
Thank you. :D

Today I won't have time enough to dive in the Penny Dominions; I think Thursday or Friday will be the day for it.

After that I will post my comments and talk about my new knowledge.

Till then, best regards,
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Great you got your package OK Lars :)

Make a scan of the page and the extra "bonus" and post it here if you like :)

I hope the cover arrived in good order as well. I took it to my tame Postmistress and she hand cancelled it for me so I hope it turned out ok.

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Hi Roly,

the envelope was indeed in good order; no bends, no dirt.

Here is the first of the Pennies I received from you:

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Next one:

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Next two:

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Next four:

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Another two:

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And here is the extra: 1906 Waterlow Trial Plate 1, R9/23; shown on enlarged photos from Roly:

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There were two surface printed stamps too that I will not scan here.

It is a great work from Roly and I will have to learn a lot in the next months while examining my Penny Universals.
Rolys selection should be a good help for this.

Thank you Roly.

If I will find some specials, I will show it here.

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I have now upgraded the front page of my study site.

Each of my three current studies can be accessed from the one frontpage, The Penny Universal, The Penny Dominion, The 1d Lake Taupo.

http://www.stampboards.com/images/stamps4u

All comments are welcome :)

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RolyRJ wrote:I have now upgraded the front page of my study site.

Each of my three current studies can be accessed from the one frontpage, The Penny Universal, The Penny Dominion, The 1d Lake Taupo.

http://www.stampboards.com/images/stamps4u

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G'day Roly et al,

Just thought I'd let you know that having revisited Glen's tidy photos of his stamp dens I'd clean up my own - a bit!

In doing so I came across a small box containing 1d. Universals and Dominions - about 1000 in all.

I figure I have had them for over 25 years and most likely bought them whilst living in Milford and Takapuna in 1983, but maybe later as we used to go back almost every year until about 3/4 years ago.

Many of them are in 100 paper covered packs - they are now set aside for examination.

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Good Hunting Kev

I have just picked up 10,000 !! Penny Dominions most still on paper and I am finding all sorts of gems amongst them.

I will post a few up in the next day or two.

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RolyRJ wrote:Good Hunting Kev

I have just picked up 10,000 !! Penny Dominions most still on paper and I am finding all sorts of gems amongst them.

I will post a few up in the next day or two.

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Good one Roly.

Wow, 10,000!

Thanks to your site and the prints I made I figure on finding something worthwhile.

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Roly,

Forgive my laziness, but are you able to tell what exact printing this is?

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Perf is close to 14.5 x 14.5.

Wmk is NZ over star.


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Nice example Scott

Campbell Paterson G8a, SG 349
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Thanks Roly.

Check it out - purchased in Chicago this weekend:

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wow!

Can I be rude and ask how much that block cost?
Email me if you like

Can you please post a HUGE blow up of the BOTTOM arrow please. Include about half of the two stamps above and either side of the arrow but ALL of the margin.

If it is possible to send a 600dpi (minimum) scan of the full block and email it I would be grateful as well :)

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Here's the block at 600:

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I'll rescan the bottom arrow larger in the next couple of days. How big do you need? 1200? 2400?

I can redo the block larger at the same time if it helps, just let me know.

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Hmm, photobucket seems to have reduced it - will send direct.
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So Roly tell us what your thinking.
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warm wrote:So Roly tell us what your thinking.
Tony
I'm interested too Tony and Roly!

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this stamp has been identified as SG 341 - Cowan paper, perf 11. It seems to fit the bill, no 4 o'clock flaw, plate wear, correct watermark... are there any traps for the unwary? if genuine it's a pretty scarce stamp...

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himjinkley wrote:this stamp has been identified as SG 341 - Cowan paper, perf 11. It seems to fit the bill, no 4 o'clock flaw, plate wear, correct watermark... are there any traps for the unwary? if genuine it's a pretty scarce stamp...

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I have passed this one by a couple of other collectors here and the consensus of opinion is that this example looks like an SG344 (which is a rare item indeed) but we think it is in fact a SG351.

The SG341 has to be very clearly perf 11 all round. What we have here I believe mixed perf variety where the re-perf 11 strike almost perfectly matches the first strike which would have been perf 14.
If you examine the perfs closely you will see small "notches" in the tops of some of the perfs. This is normally created from the first perf 14 strike.

We are also concerned about the top row of perfs. It is not normal to see them on a slant as in your example but not unknown.

To be 100% sure this stamp would need to be certified as there are a number of fakes out there posing as SG 351's. If genuine then yes you do have a very valuable example :)

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Wow! The knowledge presented in this thread is unbelievable!! :)

I have a lot of admiration for the focus and dedication of Roly to this particular stamp. I am very new to the hobby

and find it very hard not to get overwhelmed or distracted by all the different stamps, countries, cancellations,

etc. I am particularly amazed at the plate flaw illustrations you have created for yourself to help you remember all

of the locations for the individual flaws! Very Impressive! You should be proud of your hard work Roly!

I located and scanned the penny universals that I have last night, and would like to present them here in hopes

that they may be of some interest or use to this thread.


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This Stamp below seems to be missing the rigging for the mast on the boat, or it is just really faded.. :lol:

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The stamp below is a later printing I believe as the engraving looks completely different, ie. the lines in the globe

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Anything interesting or unique? Once again I would like to compliment you Roly and all the other contributors to

this thread for making it a very informative and useful source of information regarding this stamp!

Have a great day,

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Hi Skilo54

Some nice examples here and they are all different 8)

So let's take them one by one.
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It does not have the 4 o'clock flaw and the appearance is (as you put it) faded.
The lack of clarity is due to worn plates being used.

This example is Campbell Paterson G5a (SG 303) First released April 1902, on Cowan paper.
It was printed using one of the Local plates here in NZ (Local Plate 1, 2 or 3).
It should have a single line water mark of NZ over a star.
Perf 14 x 14.
CV of NZ$0.80c

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The next example needs more info to ID it correctly.
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As it stands, there is NO 4 o'clock flaw.
The print does not appear to be terribly worn.
Therefore without further info it could be G5a (SG 303), a G6a (SG 303d) from Local Plate 4, a G4a (SG 295) Cowan with no watermark. All these are the hot contenders.

So I need to know what watermark this stamp has. Better still, is the mesh of the paper horizontal (ie across the stamp as you see it above) or vertical (up and down the stamp as you view it above).

With that added info this stamp can be ID'd correctly

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The third example is an easy one :)
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The 4 o'clock flaw is clearly shown
The top left hand pearl is incomplete
The shading in the left hand center scroll is faint but evident.
The back ground shading behind the head is clear and goes to the top of the head.

All the above tells me this is from the Royle Plates
This is a Campbell Paterson G10a (SG 356)
Perf 14 x 14
Single lined watermark of NZ over a star
CV of NZ$0.80c

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The fourth example is perhaps the most interesting though it is a very banged up example :(
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Note that the circled pearls are ALL complete.
The cluster of pearls on the center left side are clear.
The cluster of pearls on the right side have a slight "shading" dot in the center of them
The top right pearl though complete looks more like a curl.
There are strong retouches evident.
The 4 o,clock flaw is evident

All the above makes this a Campbell Paterson G9a (SG 352)
Printed 1906 and is a "Waterlow" Trial Plate example
Single line watermark of NZ over a star
Perf 14 x 14
CV of $NZ1.25

With a clear blown up scan of the top left hand corner this stamp could be clearly positioned.

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The fifth example is interesting and a little bit rarer.
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It is an Official overprint of the Royal Plate

4 o'clock flaw present
Weak incomplete top left hand pearl
Complete spurs on the center left hand scroll
Faint shading line visible in the left hand center scroll

All points to being a Campbell Paterson GO10a
CV of NZ$4.00

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The last example is easy to ID by the diagonal shading on the globe as shown.
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This is a Campbell Paterson GO11a
Perf 14 x 15
Surface Printed
Printed December 1908.
CV of NZ$5.00
Postmarked "New Plymouth"

I hope these posts have been of interest to you. All your examples are different, only several hundred to go :D

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RolyRJ wrote:The next example needs more info to ID it correctly.
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As it stands, there is NO 4 o'clock flaw.
The print does not appear to be terribly worn.
Therefore without further info it could be G5a (SG 303), a G6a (SG 303d) from Local Plate 4, a G4a (SG 295) Cowan with no watermark. All these are the hot contenders.

So I need to know what watermark this stamp has. Better still, is the mesh of the paper horizontal (ie across the stamp as you see it above) or vertical (up and down the stamp as you view it above).

With that added info this stamp can be ID'd correctly
Hi Roly,

You sir, are truly remarkable! Thank you sooo much for taking the time to view these stamps and properly

identify them, and mark the flaws in each stamp!! I am in awe! I presume that you have been researching these

stamps for quite awhile, as your knowledge of them seems to be unsurpassed! I have scanned the back of the

stamp as you've asked and hope that it may be of assistance in identifying it. I have also found four more

examples of this stamp, and hope you may want to share your expertise once again.

All my best Roly, thanks again,

Skilo54

Here is the scan of the back of the stamp in question:


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Here are the other four examples of the NZ penny universal I have found.

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Once again I would like to thank you for your time Roly, and if there is anything that I have that would be of benefit to you and your research, please let me know, and I am sure we can work something out.

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Re: N.Z. 1901-1909 "Penny Universal" detailed Tutorial

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RolyRJ wrote:
himjinkley wrote:this stamp has been identified as SG 341 - Cowan paper, perf 11. It seems to fit the bill, no 4 o'clock flaw, plate wear, correct watermark... are there any traps for the unwary? if genuine it's a pretty scarce stamp...

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I have passed this one by a couple of other collectors here and the consensus of opinion is that this example looks like an SG344 (which is a rare item indeed) but we think it is in fact a SG351.

The SG341 has to be very clearly perf 11 all round. What we have here I believe mixed perf variety where the re-perf 11 strike almost perfectly matches the first strike which would have been perf 14.
If you examine the perfs closely you will see small "notches" in the tops of some of the perfs. This is normally created from the first perf 14 strike.

We are also concerned about the top row of perfs. It is not normal to see them on a slant as in your example but not unknown.

To be 100% sure this stamp would need to be certified as there are a number of fakes out there posing as SG 351's. If genuine then yes you do have a very valuable example :)

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Roly
Thanks Roly, I'm having difficulty with my SG numbers as I have a trusty old 1980 version at home which seems to have some disagreement with the 2009 version at the library! Yes, I was a bit puzzled by the top margin too, wondered if it was mixed perfs. I see now that these are much more common than the perf 11 all round, which is a bit of a disappointment! Can you let me know who does expertising of this issue and what it would be likely to set me back, please? I think this is a print from the original plates on Cowan paper, have I at least got that correct? Thanks again, Jim

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Re: N.Z. 1901-1909 "Penny Universal" detailed Tutorial

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skilo54 wrote:
RolyRJ wrote:The next example needs more info to ID it correctly.
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As it stands, there is NO 4 o'clock flaw.
The print does not appear to be terribly worn.
Therefore without further info it could be G5a (SG 303), a G6a (SG 303d) from Local Plate 4, a G4a (SG 295) Cowan with no watermark. All these are the hot contenders.

So I need to know what watermark this stamp has. Better still, is the mesh of the paper horizontal (ie across the stamp as you see it above) or vertical (up and down the stamp as you view it above).

With that added info this stamp can be ID'd correctly
Hi Roly,

You sir, are truly remarkable! Thank you sooo much for taking the time to view these stamps and properly

identify them, and mark the flaws in each stamp!! I am in awe! I presume that you have been researching these

stamps for quite awhile, as your knowledge of them seems to be unsurpassed! I have scanned the back of the

stamp as you've asked and hope that it may be of assistance in identifying it. I have also found four more

examples of this stamp, and hope you may want to share your expertise once again.

All my best Roly, thanks again,

Skilo54

Here is the scan of the back of the stamp in question:


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Ok... now that I see the watermark (single lined NZ over star) and the mesh (horizontal) and the deeper colour (slightly) compared to the other examples I would be confident in putting this one as a Campbell Paterson G6a (SG 303d).

From the Local "Reserve" Plate (Plate 4).
Perf 14 x 14
CV of NZ$10:00

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Re: N.Z. 1901-1909 "Penny Universal" detailed Tutorial

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skilo54 wrote:Here are the other four examples of the NZ penny universal I have found.

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This example is a G5a (SG303) for all the reasons as previously stated.
Worn Plate etc without the 4 o'clock flaw
skilo54 wrote:Image
I need to see the watermark on this example to ID it correctly.
I suspect the same as the example above.
skilo54 wrote:Image
The above example is a "Royle" plate for reasons given in previous post(s)
skilo54 wrote:Image
Another "Surface Printed" example as per the Official version you posted previously


Ahhh yes I have been at these beauties for the best part of 40 yrs now.
Last count I have over 250,000 of them hanging around here and I have identified nearly 2500 different varieties across all Plates, Papers, Printings, Perf Variations etc.

I have reconstructed the original sheets on several Plates now and that accounts for 240 stamps per sheet !!

Cheers

Roly

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Roly, which plates are you still seeking multiples for? I have a strip of 5 of the London print tucked away somewhere at home. Not sure about what others I might have. Only a booklet plate pane (Official) that I can think of...

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Hi Jim

I would like to see a scan (big) of the strip of 5 London prints.

There is a gap in my London reconstructed sheet and this strip just may cover that gap :)

I am always interested in seeing Booklet Panes, they can be real fun trying to position !!

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Hi Roly,

Will try and have a look tonight for the strip. Will scan and send what I can find that may be of use.

Cheers,
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Roly,

I will email you a slightly higher res version but this is the best I can do on the (ahem) work scanner ;-)

Cheers,
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Re: N.Z. 1901-1909 "Penny Universal" detailed Tutorial

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RolyRJ wrote:
skilo54 wrote:
RolyRJ wrote:The next example needs more info to ID it correctly.
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As it stands, there is NO 4 o'clock flaw.
The print does not appear to be terribly worn.
Therefore without further info it could be G5a (SG 303), a G6a (SG 303d) from Local Plate 4, a G4a (SG 295) Cowan with no watermark. All these are the hot contenders.

So I need to know what watermark this stamp has. Better still, is the mesh of the paper horizontal (ie across the stamp as you see it above) or vertical (up and down the stamp as you view it above).

With that added info this stamp can be ID'd correctly
Hi Roly,

You sir, are truly remarkable! Thank you sooo much for taking the time to view these stamps and properly

identify them, and mark the flaws in each stamp!! I am in awe! I presume that you have been researching these

stamps for quite awhile, as your knowledge of them seems to be unsurpassed! I have scanned the back of the

stamp as you've asked and hope that it may be of assistance in identifying it. I have also found four more

examples of this stamp, and hope you may want to share your expertise once again.

All my best Roly, thanks again,

Skilo54

Here is the scan of the back of the stamp in question:


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Ok... now that I see the watermark (single lined NZ over star) and the mesh (horizontal) and the deeper colour (slightly) compared to the other examples I would be confident in putting this one as a Campbell Paterson G6a (SG 303d).

From the Local "Reserve" Plate (Plate 4).
Perf 14 x 14
CV of NZ$10:00

Hi Roly

How on earth can you tell thats a horizontal mesh- i still cannot get my head round horizontal and vertical- what is the giveaway?

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