Jusqu'a markings on airmail covers - Any info or references?

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I wonder if in this case the red handstamp was to assist sorting? The whole point of the blue airmail etiquette in the days before mechanised sorting was so that the sorters would easily identify airmail and tip it out to a separate pile/bin/sack.

If that was done with an inland redirection, then it would delay the onward transmission of the item, hence the rubber stamp.
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Kenya, Uganda & Tanganyika 1935 air mail cover to Toronto, Canada. Forwarded to Dawson, Yukon. (unfortunately no Dawson receiver cancel)

There is a "Par Avion Jusqu'a London" purple hand stamp at the lower left indicating the cover traveled by air mail from Nairobi to London. There is also a Canada jusqua's double red 2 bar mark on the air mail sticker.

Was the cover flown to London and then sent surface mail to Toronto and then surface mail to Dawson, Yukon or flown to London, then flown to Toronto and then surface mail to Dawson?
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"Jusqu'a to London" implies airmail to London, thence surface mail to Canada.

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Wayne,

I don't have my references with me but I believe the red bars are a London annulment mark.

There were no trans North Atlantic air mail services in 1935 so your cover would have been carried by sea from the UK - I'm guessing probably to New York. I don't know by what means it would have then been conveyed to Toronto (probably rail) and then on to Dawson.

For those interested in the subject, Jan ter Welle in Holland published a book entitled "Jusqu’a Handstamps and other Route Indications" in about 2013. I understand it represented a significant advance on Ian McQueen's earlier work. A second edition came out in 2018.

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Thanks Dave and Temora22. My mistake in thinking the 2 red bars were a Canadian marking. Makes perfect sense now.
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^Red bars applied in London without a doubt. And a *very* nice airmail cover indeed. :idea:

If you access the right Ted Proud book you could work out the exact flights to London.

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1938 Murray Bridge, S.A. to Saskatchewan, Canada

Is this a Canadian Jusqu'a marking?
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Wayne1951 wrote:
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Is this a Canadian Jusqu'a marking?
The reddish violet single line bar Jusqu'à marking (~5.5cm) is from New York, USA, used as an air cancel by the Exchange Office at Varick Street, New York.

Ref. Jusqu'à Airmail Markings A Study
Ian MacQueen.
private, Dartford, England 1993
Chapter V: Listing of Air Cancels
Unframed Bars New York, USA; p.79

The cover went via Trans-Pacific route inspite of the Australia–England routing instruction.

Before the establishment of the regular Trans-Atlantic Airmail Service on Aug 5,1939, airmail from Australia to Canada via India and England were carried by air only upto Croydon and thence to New York by sea, thus resulting in cancelation of airmail etiquettes by Jusqu'à markings in London.

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[quote="Joy Daschaudhuri"][quote="Wayne1951"]

"The cover went via Trans-Pacific route inspite of the Australia–England routing instruction."

Which Trans-Pacific route? Between where and where?

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Usual QANTAS/Imperial Airways route Australia to London, and the by sea to Canada.

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I agree PBR. The usual route under the Empire Air Mail Scheme (for which this cover has been paid) would have been as you describe.

The previous poster stated "The cover went via Trans-Pacific route inspite of the Australia–England routing instruction."

There was no trans-Pacific air mail route from Australia in November 1938. Hence my question. Is he referring to a surface route?

It doesn't make sense that sense to me that a Jusqu'a marking would be applied in New York (assuming that the previous poster is correct in saying this is a New York marking - I don't have references to hand) if the cover had travelled by the usual EAMS route and air carriage had finished at Croydon.

Perhaps there were problems with the operation of the EAMS in November 1938 that led to the cover being sent by a different route involving surface to the USA and then air mail within the USA. This is outside my field of collecting and a question that perhaps an EAMS specialist may be able to answer.

Interesting cover.

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April 18, 1934 Dar Es Salaam, Tanganyika Territory to U.S.A

Jusqu'a marking over "By Air Mail/Par Avion" purple hand stamp.

Boxed "By Air to London" hand stamp and boxed "Feeder Service" hand stamp.
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Any backstamps?

The boxed "Feeder Service" was a Tanganyika instructional marking for Wilson Airways who would have carried the mail from Dar-es-salaam to Dodoma from where Imperial carried it onto London.

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meisterstempel wrote:Any backstamps?

The boxed "Feeder Service" was a Tanganyika instructional marking for Wilson Airways who would have carried the mail from Dar-es-salaam to Dodoma from where Imperial carried it onto London.
Thank you for the information. Unfortunately nothing on the back.
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1937 multiple metered cover India to USA with Jusqu'a marking.

I presume direct flight to Great Britain and then by sea to USA.

No markings on the reverse.
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Joy Daschaudhuri wrote:
03 Apr 2020 19:25
Wayne1951 wrote:
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Is this a Canadian Jusqu'a marking?
The reddish violet single line bar Jusqu'à marking (~5.5cm) is from New York, USA, used as an air cancel by the Exchange Office at Varick Street, New York.

Ref. Jusqu'à Airmail Markings A Study
Ian MacQueen.
private, Dartford, England 1993
Chapter V: Listing of Air Cancels
Unframed Bars New York, USA; p.79

[...]
Dear Joy Daschaudhuri,

Are you sure that the violet single line can be that one reported from New York inside the McQUEEN's book?
I saw it has a different shape and it is known on internal mail in 1930 and not external mail in 1938. (1)
Have you any functional reason for your statement in New York?
Joy Daschaudhuri wrote:
03 Apr 2020 19:25
[...]
The cover went via Trans-Pacific route inspite of the Australia–England routing instruction.
[...]
What is the Trans-Pacific route [airmail?] you are talking about?

(1) - McQUEEN (1993:79 - first picture, on top, under the 17 number). Jusqu'a Airmail Markings (A Study) [...]
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