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For Victoria: Framed is this type. Two line date.


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Territorian wrote:
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A few relevant acronyms and expressions:

1. CDS.....................circular date stamp
2. SDL.....................small date line
3. LDL.....................large date line
4. ERD.....................earliest recorded date of usage
5. LRD.....................latest recorded date of usage
6. 'Socked-on-the-nose'...............a centrally-struck cancel showing the whole postmark
7.UF..........................unframed date stamp
8.Duplex.................... two cancels in one.........could be a numeral cancel and an identifying office CDS
9. Index .................... a number or letter above the dateline of the cancel identifying the cancel or time of usage.

Please feel free to add more. Cheers, Mike

Thank you Territorian for that helpful list of explained acronyms.

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Any one care to take a guess at this 1920 cds cancel?

Seemed at first glance to read BRUTHEA but google says no such town?

Then tried BROTHEA and google also shows no town anywhere.

Maybe first letter is an "E"?

Anyone of the cancel whizzes here care to take a guess? :D

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Try

Bruthen, Victoria

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Bruthen, Victoria.

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Hi Glen,

Try Bruthen, Victoria.

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Population 530 then in 1920, so little wonder I'd never heard of it!

Well done - thanks folks. :)

Bruthen is a small town located alongside the Tambo River between Bairnsdale and Ensay on the Great Alpine Road in East Gippsland, Victoria, Australia.

The Bairnsdale to Orbost railway line passed through Bruthen. Regular services commenced in 1916. However the railway did not stimulate development as expected. During the Depression of the 1920s, the shire suffered a decline in population. During the 1930s the steamer traffic disappeared. Competition from road and rail traffic was great and silting of the river became an insurmountable problem. By 1935 the rail passenger services had ceased. Bruthen itself was not adversely affected. Its population rose from 530 in about 1920 to 580 in the late 1930s. The smaller townships, however, did lose amenities.
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I think that the postmark reads -NABIAC-N.S.W on the outside and SP 3/1915 on the inside.

Have I got this right?

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Anyone care to take a stab at this?
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Also Somerset Cam, dated 8/17.
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According to Phoenix, Somerset Cam was re-named from Somerset River Cam c.1934. ??
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What the post office is called and what the postmark says at the time is not necessarily the same.
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Any ideas on this Tasmanian manuscript cancel?


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March 1st

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Van Diemens Land, 1d Chalon Head
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So, I think eharper is claiming that the manuscript cancel on this stamp is
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3/69 [= March 1869]
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First off apologies for the not perfect photo, this was seen in a lot on eBay and I was wondering what the postmark was - M.R.R. Perth?

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I need assistance with this please:-

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And also:-

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Ones above too difficult?

This is a question about the date. The postmark below is probably Swan Hill. What is in front of the 4? Is it a 1 or a 2, or has it something to do with the time of day???


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Swan Hill. It is not a time date stamp.

Swan Hill postmark.
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mobbor wrote:
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I need assistance with this please:-


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Can't help much with this, best guess is Cue, but I don't think that's it.

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Place name, date and postmasters initials.

ie. Cue 12/09/17 JH.
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So, what is in front of the 4 on the Swan Hill stamp? If it's a 2, it's not in line with the rest of the postmark.

The reason I'm asking is, of course, is that 4/10/14 is one of only 7 dates I'm now missing between 7/14 and 1919.
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I can't see it being anything other than a 2. Presumably, when setting the date, the wheel hadn't been turned quite into the right position.
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Not the answer I was after, but thanks anyway Chris.
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mobbor wrote:
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So, what is in front of the 4 on the Swan Hill stamp? If it's a 2, it's not in line with the rest of the postmark.

The reason I'm asking is, of course, is that 4/10/14 is one of only 7 dates I'm now missing between 7/14 and 1919.
mobbor,

We've discussed the partially rotated NSW date-wheels previously. This particular one you've posted is no different.

Here's an egregious example from East Maitland showing the adjacent figures on the date-wheel.

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Can anyone assist in identifying this postmark?
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Eudunda

Eudunda is a rural town in South Australia, roughly 103 kilometres northeast of Adelaide, established in 1870 after settlers began moving into the area in the 1860s. As of the 2006 census, Eudunda had a population of 640.

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BigSaint wrote:
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Eudunda

Eudunda is a rural town in South Australia, roughly 103 kilometres northeast of Adelaide, established in 1870 after settlers began moving into the area in the 1860s. As of the 2006 census, Eudunda had a population of 640.

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Hello,
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Can anyone help me with this postmark!? Unfortunately it is very faint, but I`m quite sure it is from "CAMBERWELL EAST". It is a KGV 1 1/2d red single wmk, and from what I can see, it might be OC 25, but that is just an idea. Phoenix Auctions homepage shows the following information about Camberwell East:

Camberwell East (1) RO c.-/2/1924; renamed Middle Camberwell RO 14/9/1925.
Camberwell East (2) Renamed from Canterbury West RO c.1925; PO 1/7/1927; LPO 29/10/1993.

So I think it might be from the RO period. There is no illustration of a postmark from the first period and no date mentioned. For the second period there is also no illustration for the early postmarks known, but there is an earliest known date of 24AP33. So my question, would it be a new earliest known date for the second period by about 8 years or perhaps could it be a postmark from the first period? The 1933 postmark of the second period is rated RRRRR, so I guess this example, although a poor strike, should also be quite scarce!?

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Josto

There is not a lot of black ink in there, so I am not sure where you are reading OC 25.


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What are reading the figures within the white circle? What are you reading the figures within the blue circle?

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Hi!

I thought in the white circle there might be the C of OC and the 2 of 25. In the blue circle I tjought it might be the 5 of 25. I know it is just a guess as there is really not much to see.

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Josto

I am reading your "C2" as "32". What do you think? I can't make out what goes before & I am not really sure what I have circled in the blue.

I have magnified it as much as I can on my desktop & I really can't be sure as there is so little ink. I don't think I can really help too much on this one.

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Cygnet. Is this a case like Borenore, where the cancellor needed repairing, but was soon available again?


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Could any one help me with these two examples. The first I hope is more straight forward - something ‘Farms’. Any clue on the scarcity would be very much appreciated too if possible.
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Could any one help me with these two examples. The first I hope is more straight forward - something ‘Farms’. Any clue on the scarcity would be very much appreciated too if possible.
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GB 789 wrote:
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Could any one help me with these two examples. The first I hope is more straight forward - something ‘Farms’. Any clue on the scarcity would be very much appreciated too if possible.
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Model Farms, NSW. RO 6/12/26; PO 1/7/27; Renamed Chisholm Centre PO 1/3/72.
Thank you, I’ve just Googled it’s history which seems interesting, apparently model farms was used to show convicts/new migrants how to set up a farm from the mid 19th century onwards.

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The AIR MAIL one looks to be part of a slogan cancel.
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The AIR MAIL one looks to be part of a slogan cancel.
It's hard to tell with the image being a bit blurry, but my impression is that it's some sort of handstamp applied independently of a faint machine cancel.

The AIR MAIL appears to be purple & horizontal. The very faint machine cancel looks to be black & sloping slightly up from left to right.

A better image would help, and I'm happy to be corrected.
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The AIR MAIL one looks to be part of a slogan cancel.
It's hard to tell with the image being a bit blurry, but my impression is that it's some sort of handstamp applied independently of a faint machine cancel.

The AIR MAIL appears to be purple & horizontal. The very faint machine cancel looks to be black & sloping slightly up from left to right.

A better image would help, and I'm happy to be corrected.
Thank you for your replies. The airmail cancel is very faint and I don’t think I could get a better scan of it than the one already given. I thought the stamp was unused to start with it is that faint but a closer look showed this cancel.

My first thought was it was possibly from one of those first airmail type covers that sometimes have different cachets on but I’m not sure. Thank you for help.

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The AIR MAIL looks like a hand stamp to me. I remember that in typical office environments long ago there was a stand with several hand stamps and an ink pad, used to stamp outgoing envelopes. That was quicker and more convenient than keeping a supply of adhesive labels to apply to the covers.

Here is a 1953 cover with an AIR MAIL hand stamp. This is a U.S. example, in a bolder font than the impression on the KGV ½d, but it serves to give the idea. The font and ink colour of the 10 MAY 1953 hand stamp are also suggestive.
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Cygnet. Is this a case like Borenore, where the cancellor needed repairing, but was soon available again?



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I'll try again with this one. The manuscript appears to be upside down-

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The date of the Cygnet cancellation is 18/11/15. The date on the manuscript appears to be 11/11/15. Considering the difference in the dates, the R.O. could be almost anywhere?
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The AIR MAIL looks like a hand stamp to me. I remember that in typical office environments long ago there was a stand with several hand stamps and an ink pad, used to stamp outgoing envelopes. That was quicker and more convenient than keeping a supply of adhesive labels to apply to the covers.

Here is a 1953 cover with an AIR MAIL hand stamp. This is a U.S. example, in a bolder font than the impression on the KGV ½d, but it serves to give the idea. The font and ink colour of the 10 MAY 1953 hand stamp are also suggestive.
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Thank you for your response. It does seem likely then that this stamp may have originated on a first flight cover perhaps.

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This one is Bunarba R.O. 9/10/15. Also a telephone office. 29kms southeast of Mungindi. Any idea of the value?
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mobbor wrote:
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This one is Bunarba R.O. 9/10/15. Also a telephone office. 29kms southeast of Mungindi. Any idea of the value?
In Sale 40 by Torsten WELLER you have lot: 133

BUNARBA / N.S.W 1915 (10 JL) LDL cds (type 2B, recorded 1915-17 only, 2nd recorded strike (ERD) on KGV $150

I don't know if it sold, so the $150 is the estimate. It was an A1 strike so clear and pretty complete.
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Thank you Traralgon
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Can someone confirm that the postmark is a skeleton cds of Douglas Victoria (population 63). If so is it scarce? On first watermark Die 2 'Roo.
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