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Ubobo.R.O. wrote:SYDNEY.
What was the purpose of such a canceller????

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Please see this dedicated thread.
"Sydney Special" postmark anyone have details on the usage?

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BigSaint wrote:Gordon

Please see this dedicated thread.
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Hi Guys,

Can anyone help with this Qld Postmark.

ERE . CH? -
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SRE . CH? -
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Also this one looks to be Traveling Post Office :5 N.C?

UP 19 AU 14?

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Ubobo.R.O. wrote:LONGREACH

WOW way of there :oops:

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Looks to be this one from Queensland.

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Fantastic!! thanks guys,

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traralgon3844 wrote:Looks to be this one from Queensland.

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Traralgon is there more info I could search for here on Stampboard?

I have another TPO No:6 Down 24 Feb 13

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You can download the free Queensland Steel Datestamp cat here: https://www.toowoombastampclub.org/pubs.htm

The T.P.O.s are at the end of the A to Z listings.

From Page 280 of said publication. Terry will be able to confirm my id's.

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Looks like there could be an update? :D

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Darkice wrote:
I have another TPO No:6 Down 24 Feb 13

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Why an update. It looks like a Central Railway to me, not a North Coast.

This one I picked up yesterday will mean an update.

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So much to learn :oops:

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In the thread
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=82193&start=3000

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I asked the following questions:
Request for "proper terminology" help from the experts, please:
(a) What is the official name for the bar code appearing at the base of
the envelope to Terry Dell/Maggie Mailbox? [Fri Mar 06, 2020 14:54:23 pm]
(b) What is the official name for the yellow adhesive strip bearing
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Not one of mine, but what am I looking at here?

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I tried reversing the image, and it appears to be "43" reversed or maybe 48. Does that make sense?

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Maitland 64(1) Type 1B, not rated, has the 4 reversed.

Source: The Numeral Cancellations of New South Wales, Hugh Freeman, 2nd Edition, BW 2017.
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Thank you! Was reading it the wrong way around. So the reversed 4 is normal for this one? Interesting...

muttly2011 wrote:Maitland 64(1) Type 1B, not rated, has the 4 reversed.

Source: The Numeral Cancellations of New South Wales, Hugh Freeman, 2nd Edition, BW 2017.

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erich wrote:So the reversed 4 is normal for this one?
Yes, it is.
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I'm re-sorting my KGV 1d dates and am seeking the following information-

For stamps of that era, does JU mean June or July? I also have a couple of MA- March or May?
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mobbor wrote:I'm re-sorting my KGV 1d dates and am seeking the following information-
For stamps of that era, does JU mean June or July? I also have a couple of MA- March or May?
You haven't specified which states!

For NSW during the 1910s - 1930s:

March is usually 'MR' and May is 'MY' - don't recall seeing 'MA'
June is usually 'JE' and July 'JY' although I have infrequently seen June as 'JU' and July as 'JL'

I'll confirm this with the date-wheel illustrations Tobin has shown in his monograph.

According to Tobin. NSW et al date-stamps during this period were American manufactured although some could have been local hence the difference in the abbreviation.
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mobbor,

Here are 3 illustrations from Tobin's NSW date-stamp monograph:

These are for date-stamps manufactured ca. 1900s - 1930s.
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Thanks Rod,

I didn't think about different states. June was the answer I was hoping for- JU as June- gives me 2 new dates.

I only have 2 copies of MA: I'll have to check which state. I have also seen JN, and some places, I believe including Brisbane, Adelaide and Hobart sometimes have 3 letters, JUN, MAY, SEP etc.
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Here's a JL for July from NSW in the appropriate period.
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Perhaps we need to also think about the proof of date of despatch concept. As I understand it at this time these postmarks carried certain legal implications. It must have behoved the Post Office to have clarity regarding the month an item was posted.

If JL and JY were the options for July, and MY the only option for May that clarity would be maintained.

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mobbor wrote: I only have 2 copies of MA: I'll have to check which state. I have also seen JN, and some places, I believe including Brisbane, Adelaide and Hobart sometimes have 3 letters, JUN, MAY, SEP etc.
mobbor,

'MA' for March/May must be an anomaly. Can we see those two?

There is one pitfall to be wary of when interpreting dates. Those with smaller or finely engraved letters can appear compact and slightly distorted. I sometimes mistakenly read an 'A' for an 'R' in 'MR' thinking I have 'JA'. Did you not take issue a while ago , or perhaps it was another Stampboarder, who wondered about the difference between a strike of a '3' and a '9' that appeared similar. Partial strikes of a rounded top '3' mimic that of a '9'.
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I hope you can see it clearly-

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7 MA 17. A very narrow A. Completely unambiguous in the flesh. From South Australia.

I've asked 3 other people and all agree JU is JUNE and MA is MARCH.
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mobbor, this post is for you to respond to. Other Stampboarders please respect this request.

I've solved your conundrum for the Pt. Pirie date.

Before I provide the definitive answer please look at the 3 circled clues. See if you can identify the month correctly. THINK OUT OF THE BOX.
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Is that retroreveal? I have no idea about the dots. The date now does look like 71 JA 1917(?)

I'll see if I can find the other one.

Rod, thanks for your efforts.
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This one is a lot clearer-

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24 MA 16. Presumably S.A. or W.A. There are some dots and dashes below.
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moobor,

I exclusively use Photoshop for manipulating the colours - tweaking the results satisfies my vision.

Re: your 1st strike. The numbers I superimposed represent:

1 - a small vertical spacer sits between the 'A' and the '1' of '17'. It's not constant on date-stamps of this era.

2 & 3 - the remnants circled appear to be "'" and "' '" - tops of the next month's letters on the date-wheel.

Assuming 'MA' was 'MARCH' then the tops would have to be from 'AP' and they're not.

So, if 'MA' represents 'MAY' then the tops could be from either 'JE' or 'JU' . 'JU' fits so 'MA' must represent MAY not MARCH. ...and 'JU' is not 'JULY'.
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Thanks Rod,

I'll just have to take your word for it.
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I known the barcode and yellow barcoded adhesive strip I showed
in this thread on [Sat Mar 07, 2020 21:13:46 pm] are not postmarks,
but I'm still hoping the combined expertise of the regulars on this
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There are a few these covers around:
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=59060
The company was based at Cremorne Gardens near Richmond, postmarks seen include Hawthorn, Richmond & Richmond East.

Here is another:
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With my first look at it, I thought it was "Cremorne", but after I enlarged it I changed my mind.

Looks like it starts "SP" & ends "LE", which makes me think "Springvale" which is a little further away. What do others think :?:
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Brad, there are too many letters in Springvale [10] I reckon it's only got 8 letters..

Perhaps that'll help you, I don't know the suburbs of Melbourne, but look at the spacing of the the letters and count them around, I reckon it's 8..

I'll look at it in Retro

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Brad, I reckon it's Seville

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Thank you Terry but I don't think the second last letter is a "K". We need to have RogerE here to tell us what the bottom bar on an "L" or an "E" is called.

I think Bunge has the chocolates with "Seville" even though it is about 50 kms to the east. I was expecting somewhere much closer to Cremorne. Somewhere an employee of Rosella could go to the post office at lunch time & have his fdcs postmarked. Guess we will never know why Seville.

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BigSaint, thanks for your excessive confidence in me.
I don't know an official name for the bottom bar on an "L" or an "E" , but
I would call it the "foot" or the "base" of the letter, as an informal descriptor.

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BigSaint wrote:Thank you Terry but I don't think the second last letter is a "K". We need to have RogerE here to tell us what the bottom bar on an "L" or an "E" is called.

I think Bunge has the chocolates with "Seville" even though it is about 50 kms to the east. I was expecting somewhere much closer to Cremorne. Somewhere an employee of Rosella could go to the post office at lunch time & have his fdcs postmarked. Guess we will never know why Seville.

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I believe back then there was a train service from Seville to Melbourne via Lilydale (now in part the Warburton trail).

So perhaps it was where an employee lived.

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Yes they had a train service. There are many closed train lines & stations around Melbourne.

The trip today by bus from Seville to Lilydale is 21 minutes & the train from Lilydale to Richmond 1 hour & 14 minutes & then a 10 minute walk, to Cremorne Gardens.

On the red rattler in the 1950s it would have taken longer but quite feasible.
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ROTTNEST

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Again, not very clear on the scan, but clearly, (R)OTTNEST. The only trouble is, according to PPA, Rottnest was re-named from Rottnest Island in 1949. I can't read the date. It's extremely unlikely that it's as late as 1949.(?)
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[Looks like an 'S' on the right, possibly preceded by I.
i.e. Ending with IS. for Island.] edit

Had a better look after Ubobo's post. Ignore the above.
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Thanks Terry, again.

I wonder why PPA got it wrong- don't bother to answer.
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The post office may have been officially named Rottnest Island, but from early strikes I have seen the datestamp was simply inscribed Rottnest. It was merely a name change not an implement change.
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I think that the manuscript postmark says Trewalla 27.3/14.

Can somebody confirm that for me? Also is it likely to be Trewalla in Tasmania, or Trewalla/Trawalla in Victoria?

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I know almost nothing about postmarks, but according to PPA it's not Victoria, which was a R.O. from 1902-05 only. Trewalla(1) Tasmania opened as an R.O. in 1912 and closed in 1920.
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A simple Google search turned up this on the TPS website, so it is Trewalla Tasmania.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

https://tps.org.au/bb/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=276 There is another one further down the page, so that rating is plummeting.
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Re: Australian stamp cancels and postmarks that have you bea

Post by Ubobo.R.O. »

Found this one in my pictures file. Pity, it is not mine !
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Full time horse non-whisperer, post box searcher and lichen covered granite rock percher. Gee I'm handsome !
You gottem birds, butterflies, shells, maps, flags and heads on stamps ? Me wantem !

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Thank you to everyone have taken time to answer my Trewalla question.

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