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Hello !

Could you tell me please, whether this 'money order' cancel is considered postal, and if it is, under which circumstances was it applied?
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A beautiful example of a very uninteresting postmark. I'm just wondering what the B is after 16.

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Any information about this London Paqueboat cancel would be appreciated.

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mobbor wrote:
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Any information about this London Paqueboat cancel would be appreciated.

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Hi Mobbor,
Appears to be the Paquebot cancel Hosking type 128.
Full lettering is LONDON F.S / PAQUEBOT / <DATE>.
Rated AA = very common.
Recorded use 1911 - 1921.
Also found with wavy lines along with your straight line example.

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Excellent- except for the AA. Thank you Browny.
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Assistance required with this Postmark ;

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bear0001 wrote:
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Assistance required with this Postmark ;

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Hi Bear0001,
This is WHYTE YARCOWIE.
type C4,
known dates of use are: 10-03-1930 to 3-9-1954.
Rated c = common.

info from The Hand-held Postmarks of South Australia and the Northern Territory.

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Thanks Browny

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Hello !

Can anyone enlighten me whether the 'money order' cancel on KGV 5d (image posted here a couple of days ago) is considered postal, and if it is, under which circumstances was it applied?

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Considered postal. The money order counters at post offices also did other postal matters.
So postmark is not inappropriate.
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Thank you so much, Ubobo.R.O. !

So, if I understood you correctly, the cancel though applied at the money order counter is not connected with money transfer done from a post office. Am I right?

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Not necessarily. The customer may have had two items to deal with. Sending a money order and posting a letter.
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OK, but was the stamp then affixed to a form, if it was for a transfer, or used for ordinary postage? Was it cancelled in the presence of the sender, or collected from a mail box and cancelled later?

Hope these are not too many questions.

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My guess on that particular stamp ( KGV 5d brown ) that it was on a registered letter.
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Thank you !

I should have thought of the rates at that time.

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Hi all, anyone able to tell me what this was. I can only guess the words Cancel or Cancelled.
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The date on this 1d red clearly says 16 APRIL 1952. Unless the contemporary Melbourne postmark was still being used in 1952, it must be a clerical error. Out by at least 30 years???

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Mike

Do you think someone reversed the year slugs & perhaps it should read 16 APRIL 1925. :?: :)
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mobbor wrote:
23 Jul 2020 18:25
A beautiful example of a very uninteresting postmark. I'm just wondering what the B is after 16.

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I was looking through some ebay lots & spotted this (presumably also REGISTERED, SYDNEY). What it denotes, I have no idea - elements identifying the individual canceller generally appear elsewhere in the design and I can't see what it might have to do with time/date etc.

Your "B" is an odd looking thing- unless my eyes are playing up, it seems unusually wide.


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Nice discovery Chris!

Must be some kind of code. I do not recall seeing any mention in Tobin's NSW date-stamp monograph.
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If you go to page 53 of this thread, and scroll down a bit:

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=30269&p=5852566

You will see a post by Glen that shows some enhanced scans of a cancel that shows a very faint "B" that is just like mobbor's - the top of the letter is extended to the left, and the left vertical is apparently absent.

The one I spotted appears to be different.



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Thanks for your comments on my 2 queries. 25 instead of 52 makes sense. 1925 is still very late, but in the current stamps I'm checking there are a lot- 1923-19, 1924-11, 1925 and 1927.

I've found another 16B, but it has a terrible postmark, so I haven't bothered scanning it.
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Hi all, found another English Mail TPO cancel complete strike but only single outer circle, dated September 4, 1907. Others have double outer circle. Not sure as to use of each. PPA only has examples of English cancels. Regards, Summo.
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Summo did you look in the right place in PPA :?:

From PPA:

English TPO Duplex seen from 	JE22/88		to OC 7/14
English TPO Duplex seen from JE22/88 to OC 7/14

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Hi BigSaint, still getting used to the PPA, but could only bring up the ones on cover through the postmark search reference. Regards, Summo.

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Summo,

Try this

Go to PPA
Select reference tools
Select post office reference
Select Australian Post Offices - All States
In "Go to" Box type English & click on go to
Find "English Mail Travelling P O".
On the right of that entry - click on datestamps
All is revealed.

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Big thanks BigSaint. Have found this one of Woorayl, Victoria, R.O. 1/1/07, P.O. 1/7/11, renamed Dumbalk P.O. 13/8/1928. Regards, Summo.

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BigSaint wrote:
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Summo,

Try this

Go to PPA
Select reference tools
Select post office reference
Select Australian Post Offices - All States
In "Go to" Box type English & click on go to
Find "English Mail Travelling P O".
On the right of that entry - click on datestamps
All is revealed.

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Hi BigSaint tried that and couldn’t get any results from selecting the “Go to” box.
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Summo wrote:
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BigSaint wrote:
30 Jul 2020 00:00
Summo,

Try this

Go to PPA
Select reference tools
Select post office reference
Select Australian Post Offices - All States
In "Go to" Box type English & click on go to
Find "English Mail Travelling P O".
On the right of that entry - click on datestamps
All is revealed.

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Hi BigSaint tried that and couldn’t get any results from selecting the “Go to” box.
Regards, Summo.

But you must have to have found this information

Summo wrote:
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Big thanks BigSaint. Have found this one of Woorayl, Victoria, R.O. 1/1/07, P.O. 1/7/11, renamed Dumbalk P.O. 13/8/1928. Regards, Summo.
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Thanks BigSaint, helps if I extend my brain that little bit further and click on the date stamp section. Thanks for your help. Regard, Summo.

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Summo

While we are at it, if we go back to your original post on Woorayl, you will see the word "attachments" above your image. To remove this you need to do this:



To position your image & remove wording attachments from images, press the place in line button:
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Another one in the "Easy to read, but can't find any info" category. VERANDAH CAMP.

There's nothing on the PPA website, and Google throws up next to nothing. The best I can find is this:

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Verandah Camp.
Located on the Geehi Valley side, on the maintenance track to Siren Song and Opera House Hut. This is the last of the many buildings that used to occupy this spot.
This site was a major camp built by the SMA in the 1950's to support the workers building the aqueduct and weirs coming off the Main Range.
Geehi Valley is near Khancoban, NSW. Wikipedia says:
Khancoban was constructed to house workers involved in the Snowy Mountains Scheme, Australia's largest engineering project, designed to provide hydro-electric power and water for irrigation to vast areas of the nation. The town is still mainly populated by workers employed by Snowy Hydro Limited working in places such as Murray 1 and Murray 2 Power Stations.
PPA suggests there has been a PO at Khancoban since 1876.

Temporary PO's were provided to serve the workforce at quite a few major construction projects throughout Australia. Due to their temporary nature, some of these cancels are very scarce.

I'm a bit puzzled by all this. Are Khancoban & Verandah Camp one & the same, or was there a temporary, now vanished, worker "town" nearby with it's own PO?

If anyone can throw any light on this, I'd appreciate it!

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From Hopson and Tobin. Volume 4.

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Greetings,

I'd be obliged if you could tell me what the letters N.N.T. in this cancel signify.
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DARWIN. N. T. AUSTRALIA.
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Thank you, but what is N.T. ?

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Northern Territory.
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I see. Thank you very much !

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Still a question: why is there a dot before N.T. ? Isn't that unusual ?

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No. Look at my user name.

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But there is no dot after the place-name before the abbreviation in your example, which is what I observe in similar cancels, while in the cancel on my stamp there is a dot, as if there is one more abbreviation before N.T.

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StampLearner wrote:
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...while in the cancel on my stamp there is a dot, as if there is one more abbreviation before N.T.
Since the place name (Darwin) and its designation (N.T.) were engraved on a small diameter date-stamp the proximity of the 'N' of 'DARWIN' to the 'N' of 'N.T.' required a dot/full stop as a separator.

Otherwise the date-stamp would have appeared to be 'DARWINN.T.'.
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Thank you Kainnikanada for the answer, but don't you think that leaving the same space empty, as in many other cancels that I see would be much easier and more practical.

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...but don't you think that leaving the same space empty...would be much easier and more practical.
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Yes. Until we see a complete strike I cannot speculate as to what occurred between the 'AUS' reading counter clockwise and 'DARWI' reading clockwise.

Alternatively, it could have been carelessness on the part the engraver. They do make mistakes as was shown in a Prestige auction where the 'R' was reversed in a 'N'T' early date-stamp. Perhaps an additional full stop/period was inadvertently inserted and not caught when quality checks were made (proof strikes made prior to issue).
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Thank you for the info.
Interesting... I did not think of this. Then it looks my stamps is at least a curiosity.

By the way, no 'DARWI' is visible.

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KGVI 3d Die I fdc postmarked Darwin NT 2nd August 1937
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Thank you, Ubobo.R.O. for providing a convincing image with the dot.
Is it then common, I wonder?
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Re: Australian stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Post by StampLearner »

and a big 'thanks' to BigSaint as I can now see how exactly the cancel is designed.

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Re: Australian stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

Post by Ubobo.R.O. »

The BigSaint image is of a different canceller with a big enough gap between DarwiN N.T
that a dot between the two N's was unnecessary.
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