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I see. I didn't realise that. Thank you.

Still, how often does a cancel having a dot after Darwin occur?

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Hi all, looking for some help with this cancellation. South Australian squared circle with the start looking like CO or CU ending in ACHA. Had a look on PPA but may not be looking hard enough. Any advice/assistance gratefully received. Regards, Summo.

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Thanks Ubobo R.O. Should have realised that myself. Regards Summo.

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Summo

An extra hint for you Summo if again you have the last part ( as we do here) or part of the town name.

Because we know this one is in South Australia we can select South Australia.

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Type in *ACHA* in the filter box. Remember to have the asterisk at the start & the end, otherwise it doesn't work.

Click on filter:

Gumeracha SA
Gumeracha SA

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StampLearner wrote:
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I see. I didn't realise that. Thank you.

Still, how often does a cancel having a dot after Darwin occur?

StampLearner

I cannot answer that question but hopefully one of our NT collectors may chime in with the answer.

All I can tell you is that Northern Territory postmarks prior to 1960 are very difficult to find. I am yet to find a 1960 Melbourne fdc postmarked anywhere in the Northern Territory & I have been looking for at least 25 years.

Here is another different Northern Territory postmarked fdc:

Australia Produce Food 3d green strip of 3 & 3½d red strip of three stamps issued 11th February 1953,
Australia Produce Food 3d green strip of 3 & 3½d red strip of three stamps issued 11th February 1953,

Darwin N.T.
Darwin N.T.
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Hello,

can anyone help me with this postmark? It is a postmark from Victoria ending with what seems to be LE and it is dated 10AU27. As the letters are quite large and there is also a wide space between the letters, I think it is a quite short name, possibly only 4 letters!? The only postmark I found from Victoria with 4 letters ending with LE is SALE, but the SALE postmarks found on ppa do not match this one.

Would be nice to get some opinions or information about this one!

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StampLearner wrote:
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Still, how often does a cancel having a dot after Darwin occur?
I'll have to answer this without a scan as my scanner's on the blink..

There are only 2 cancels which have a "Dot" or a "Comma" following the "N" in Darwin..

These are pre WWII and run from 1912 to 1938, and the 1st Type was also used from 1935 to 1942 in the M.O.O. (Money Order Office) Type CM-1 ~ This had the "Dot" or "Stop" after the "N" and the arc is below stop after T

The 2nd Type has a "Comma" after the "N" ~ Type CM-2 and the arc is level with the stop after "T" (29/6/1912 to 2/9/1938)

Based on the position of the arc to the stop after T, I'd say you have the 1st Type, late use, common..

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Located this cancel of Records Office in Melbourne dated 2 June 1913. Interested in what looks to be the purple hand stamp “Search Fee” Would appreciate any advice. Regards, Summo.

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Another one to keep you on your toes. Public Offices postmark. PPA suggests that the postmark was discontinued earlier than what appears on this example, 5 January, 1935. Regards, Summo.
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Last one for the moment is this one of TO Great Western, Victoria. PPA suggests that the TO opened in 1909 and closed in 1910. This example has the TO of a second Great Western cancel at lower right. Postmark is clear 22 July, 1913. Thoughts anyone, Regards Summo.
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There are only 2 cancels which have a "Dot" or a "Comma" following the "N" in Darwin..

These are pre WWII and run from 1912 to 1938, and the 1st Type was also used from 1935 to 1942 in the M.O.O. (Money Order Office) Type CM-1 ~ This had the "Dot" or "Stop" after the "N" and the arc is below stop after T

The 2nd Type has a "Comma" after the "N" ~ Type CM-2 and the arc is level with the stop after "T" (29/6/1912 to 2/9/1938)

Based on the position of the arc to the stop after T, I'd say you have the 1st Type, late use, common..

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I'm very grateful to you, Bunge, for this comprehesively detailed answer !

Sorry for the delayed acknowledgement, I did not notice it (don't know why and how).
Everything now has become quite clear.

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to BigSaint

I bring my apologies: yours is another valuable answer that I have missed, and it's a mystery how.
I can tell you is that Northern Territory postmarks prior to 1960 are very difficult to find. I am yet to find a 1960 Melbourne fdc postmarked anywhere in the Northern Territory & I have been looking for at least 25 years.
I do preciate your information. Also many thanks for the excellent pictures illustrating the subject.

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A. I don't think this is a cut-down relief. It looks like it's from Tasmania, and there's a letter, M? at the far left.

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More likely from WA Mike.
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Ubobo.R.O. wrote:
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More likely from WA Mike.
I'd agree. Looks like it ends "LLA" to me.
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I'm not going to pursue this because it's obviously of no significance.

It is definately not LLA. If the letter to the far left is W, then W & A are very far apart. There is no inner circle below the A, but there is below the other letter.
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Your "inner circle" to the left of the A is not an inner circle, it is the feet of the "L"s in LLA. :)
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Here's a proper colour enhancement.

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Mike. Your postmark is of a design type similar to this one.
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Ubobo.R.O. wrote:
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Mike. Your postmark is of a design type similar to this one.[/color]
Check your eyesight Terry!

Not even close.

No full stop after 'T' & the arc in mobbor's example is longer.
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DESIGN type Rod.
That's not much help. I believe NSW/NT/Qld/SA/Tas/Vic/WA all have had the same 'AUST' suffix. It's the place name that is the key element.
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Going by the size and position of the letter T it appears the postmark is an AUST type.
Before 1930 only WA, SA and possibly NT had the T like that on the postmark.
I am guessing the town name has 7 or 8 digits.
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Ubobo.R.O. wrote:
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Before 1930 only WA, SA and possibly NT had the T in that position on the postmark.
Do we know the date? Could be non-contemporaneous usage.
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I really didn't think it deserved this much attention, but THANK YOU. The year is 1930.
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Hello,

can anyone help me with this postmark? It`s a double-circle Victoria postmark from Silvan dated JE 1918. I looked at ppa for Silvan, but I couldn`t find any information about a double-circle postmark!? Any help regarding usage or rarity would be great!

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Hello !

Could anyone please tell me what '50' is in this cancel instead of the usual name of the state?
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StampLearner wrote:
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Could anyone please tell me what '50' is in this cancel instead of the usual name of the state?
From a range of cancellations allotted to the counter staff Sydney GPO counter, each with different numbers at the base. Nothing unusual.

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Thank you for your answer.

The reason for my question is that out of at least a few hundred Sydney cancels that I've got, this was the only one featuring a number instead of N.S.W. This made me think there's something else in it.

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Obviously no issues on the ID for this one, and from PPA: "PO 13/10/1925; closed 30/9/1962."

Any clues on scarcity/value would be appreciated, I'm guessing it's not terribly common, but there is little info on the web.


Wave Hill NT postmark.
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Chris "The Pom"

Sorry can't help with a scarcity except to say I have been looking for a 1960 Melbourne Cup fdc postmarked in the Northern Territory for 25 years & am yet to see one.

Having said that, David Wood does have this one for sale for $6:

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The Pom wrote:
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Obviously no issues on the ID for this one, and from PPA: "PO 13/10/1925; closed 30/9/1962."

Any clues on scarcity/value would be appreciated, I'm guessing it's not terribly common, but there is little info on the web.



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Hi Chris, the following info is from - The Hand-held Postmarks of South Australia and Northern Territory

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Thanks for the info, much appreciated. Not a mega-rarity, but less than 50 copies = rarer than the inverted Jenny!

Anyone on the Board collect NT cancels? I'm looking to move this on.
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Hello !

I'd appreciate information on the cancel which, I understand, is Port Adelaide, but what is M.O. Office (?)
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Wave Hill is (in) famous for the 1966 indigenous walk off in protest about unequal pay for equal work.

The start of the movement by the original owners for land & equal pay

Sorted by Gough in 1975, another achievement of the Great Man

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Thank you, Ubobo.R.O. !

I was thinking of it, but wasn't sure, especially that one of my cancels (you also commented on it) has 'money order' unabbreviated. I wonder, how does one establish the value when it comes to cancels?

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Hello !

I'd appreciate information on the cancel which, I understand, is Port Adelaide, but what is M.O. Office (?)

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Port Adelaide Money Order Office
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I've been trying to figure this cancel out but haven't succeeded. It's from Victoria and starts "EA" and ends with "field Ry Stn". All I can find in PPA is Fairfield Railway Station, but not East Fairfield Railway Station or some variation thereof. Maybe I'm just reading it wrong or something.
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Beaconsfield Railway Station.

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Thank you very much indeed, Bunge !

I'm very grateful for your comment, as it adds to my understanding.

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towradji wrote:
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Wave Hill is (in) famous for the 1966 indigenous walk off in protest about unequal pay for equal work.

https://www.glenstephens.com/sndecember14.html

And a sad era, inflamed by the VESTEY stamp collecting Dynasty - who sold this block for about $500,000 in recent years.

Australia the unique 1936 2d KEVIII stamp Block 6 ex Vestey - invoiced for about $A500,000.
Australia the unique 1936 2d KEVIII stamp Block 6 ex Vestey - invoiced for about $A500,000.




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As the sale is now completed, it can now be revealed that the person to whom Victoria Governor Huntingfield mailed the 6 stamps to in 1936, was none other than Sam Vestey's great-grandfather, Sir William Vestey - the First Baron Vestey.

The Government demanded the printer destroy all copies, proofs and plates of this stamp after the abdication, and clearly Governor Huntingfield did not try very hard (if at all) to obtain the stamps back.

The Vestey Family earned quite some notoriety in Australia, due to disputes with the aboriginal Gurindji people, and their land rights, and appalling pay and working conditions.

In August 1966, Vincent Lingiari, a Gurindji spokesman, led a walk-off of 200 Aboriginal stockmen, house servants, and their families from Wave Hill station in NT, as a strong protest.

This "Wave Hill Walkout" was a famous and historic event in Australian indigenous relations history.

The strike was part of a widespread campaign begun by workers on Brunette Downs Station, and supported by non-Indigenous people, including unionists, and the prominent author Frank Hardy.

In 1972, PM Whitlam announced that funds would be made available for the purchase of properties that were not on reserves, and Lord Vestey offered to surrender 90 square kilometres to the Gurindji people.

Daguragu was acquired by the Aboriginal Land Fund Commission and on 16 August 1975. then PM Whitlam transferred leasehold title to the Gurindji, symbolically handing soil to Vincent Lingiari.

The Gurindji campaign was an important influence on the events leading to passing the Aboriginal Land Rights Act (Northern Territory) 1976.

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Thanks rsellens, I should of remembered the to look under RS.

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These unframed overlapping cancels have me confused. Is it Kilmore, VIC?

Any help would be most appreciated.

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Re: Australian stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

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Re: Australian stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

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Thank you.

I note that this has already gone through the rounds.

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?p=3720232#p3720232

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Most grateful if someone could tell me the date of this Hobart cancel.

Thanks,

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Philip,

"9-P -4MY22".

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Re: Australian stamp cancels and postmarks that have you beaten!

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Thanks Rod,

Bit disappointed that it took so long for a response!

Philip

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