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Sorry - it is, of course, large multi, not 3rd watermark.

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Part of a very large lot of imprint blocks and pairs 1913-2001. Although there is some toning in the very early issues there are some cracking JBC and CA imprint singles and strips of 3 with pairs, blocks of 4, 6 and 8 of Cooke, Harrison, Mullett and Ash imprints. There are 23 pages of KGV but I haven't seen any of the KGVI yet. I illustrated the 5d Harrison with full imprint earlier which cats at $A9,500. Remains unexamined for varieties as yet.....

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Straying from my NWPI can always be dangerous! In this example is it normal for the OS to be punctured in the imprint selvedge?
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And finally lest I begin to bore our readers is this a 'slightly' misplaced Roo?
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Straying from my NWPI can always be dangerous! In this example is it normal for the OS to be punctured in the imprint selvedge?

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Nice piece. If you look through auction catalogues showing lower marginal OS Roos, they appear with and without marginal punctures. There doesn't seem to be any pattern to their presence/absence.

The two lots below are both Second Watermark, from the Arthur Gray sale.


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Thanks for your help!

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Found this flaw in Wiki :D

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Break in S of AUSTRALIA and above, and frame right of Tasmania

Being a constant and NOT listed in ACSC anyone know its scarcity rating if any?


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CL29
Break in S of AUSTRALIA and above, and coloured spots right of Tasmania


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A lot going on here, including a break in the top outline of S of AUSTRALIA and in the upper frame above, and coloured spots to the right of Tasmania. If that was not enough there is also a frame break close to the coloured spots.



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Straying from my NWPI can always be dangerous! In this example is it normal for the OS to be punctured in the imprint selvedge?Image

Very normal for many Roo issues. :D

Pretty cool on any Monogram though. :mrgreen:

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Dear Glen

Thanks for the encouragement! I may take up Roos - KGV heads lose me after 1923!

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Pampstamp wrote:
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Found this flaw in Wiki :D

CL29
Break in S of AUSTRALIA and above, and frame right of Tasmania

Being a constant and NOT listed in ACSC anyone know its scarcity rating if any?



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CL29
Break in S of AUSTRALIA and above, and coloured spots right of Tasmania


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A lot going on here, including a break in the top outline of S of AUSTRALIA and in the upper frame above, and coloured spots to the right of Tasmania. If that was not enough there is also a frame break close to the coloured spots.



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Derbyboi2 wrote:
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Dear Glen

Thanks for the encouragement! I may take up Roos - KGV heads lose me after 1923!
The Roos have their own set of peculiarities, but for the most part different shades is not one of them.

Look forward to further posts on this topic, and perhaps to the Kangaroo WIKIs.

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Happy New Year!

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Adams, Bell and Pope have a rarity rating of 1 (10 is super rare) - it's a nice example.

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Cheers Philip :D

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Check this shocker :lol: :lol:

Someone was having a bad day in Nov 1913 :lol:

Reminds me of the movie TWINS!!
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Cant seem to locate this flaw on a Die 1

Not in ACSC or Wiki. :shock:
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Pampstamp,

One of the flaws you've circled on the 1d is a well-known master die flaw: "langtounlad" aka Frank has referenced it several times in previous posts on this thread. Here it is on a colour enhanced 10/-. It's intermittent/variable in size. Your example is quite noticeable.
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Pampstamp,

It is prudent to understand the basics of the production of the Roo dies if one is wishing to pursue collecting the flaws/varieties found during the innumerable print runs.

Here's an introduction to the master die concept that is suggested but really mandatory reading. The linnk is:

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Cant seem to locate this flaw on a Die 1

Not in ACSC or Wiki. :shock:

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And nothing in Adams, Bell and Pope regarding the secondary Gulf flaw.

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Philip appears to have gone walkabout so I though I would help you out.....
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Scanning this 1913 First Watermark 2/- small OS for my Rarity page, (563LQ) at $150 and noted this outer frame break, and added here for the record in case it is constant. :D



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Glen,

That's a nice clean frame break. First time I've seen an example.

Can you post a scan of the reverse? Would be appreciated.
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Hi all, just confirming this sad looking one has broken tail? I can see small break on the North Queensland Coast on the 1st? stamp but not sure if it's the normal printing.
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Micky wrote:
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Hi all, just confirming this sad looking one has broken tail? I can see small break on the North Queensland Coast on the 1st? stamp but not sure if it's the normal printing.

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Here is all of the strip.

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The badly creased and torn example :( certainly is - ACSC 44(V)e !! Shame!

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Pampstamp,

One of the flaws you've circled on the 1d is a well-known master die flaw: "langtounlad" aka Frank has referenced it several times in previous posts on this thread. Here it is on a colour enhanced 10/-. It's intermittent/variable in size. Your example is quite noticeable.
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Thanks Pampstamp, yes it's something to hide in the back of the cupboard but thank you for confirmation.

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Hi all,

Looked through Pope et al and couldn’t locate this flaw. Hoping there is another out there that makes it plate-able. Pity about the tear but if you don’t have one better than having a gap.

No margins in the watermark. Any assistance appreciated. Also the remnants of an S.A. squared circle p’mark. Regards, Summo.


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Oops. Sorry about that, shading between R and A of AUSTRALIA missing.

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I found this block of stamps in an Auction.
Is this a blind kangaroo, not mentioned in the ACSC.


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Summo wrote:
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Hi all,

Looked through Pope et al and couldn’t locate this flaw. Hoping there is another out there that makes it plate-able. Pity about the tear but if you don’t have one better than having a gap.

No margins in the watermark. Any assistance appreciated. Also the remnants of an S.A. squared circle p’mark. Regards, Summo.



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Summo,

Thanks for posting. The image is not very clear - a scan is always preferred.

As you note, there is a white patch between R and A. I have not seen a similar example. Are you sure it's not a surface abrasion?

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Faust wrote:
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I found this block of stamps in an Auction.
Is this a blind kangaroo, not mentioned in the ACSC.



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Faust,

Can barely see the stamp in question, let alone the Kangaroo's face.

Please post a clearer closeup scan.

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Summo wrote:
25 Jan 2021 20:27
Hi all,

Looked through Pope et al and couldn’t locate this flaw. Hoping there is another out there that makes it plate-able. Pity about the tear but if you don’t have one better than having a gap.

No margins in the watermark. Any assistance appreciated. Also the remnants of an S.A. squared circle p’mark. Regards, Summo.



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Summo,

Thanks for posting. The image is not very clear - a scan is always preferred.

As you note, there is a white patch between R and A. I have not seen a similar example. Are you sure it's not a surface abrasion?

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Cannot understand why the obvious is always overlooked - this looks like 2(B)n to me!

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langtounlad wrote:
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Cannot understand why the obvious is always overlooked - this looks like 2(B)n to me!

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Not so obvious.

It is NOT 2(B)n which is BR32.

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Scan of the Kangaroo, I hope this will do.

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Scan of the Kangaroo, I hope this will do.

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Hi Faust

Please post the rear of the stamp!!

IMO it appears to be a CofA example with the watermark running through the roo's face :D

This would explain the inking variation (lack of) when the plates were pressed.

Easy to verify!

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Hi Pampstamp,

It is a CofA Example, see scan.

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Hi Pampstamp,

It is a CofA Example, see scan.

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Hi Faust

The below image confirms my original opinion :D

Notice the crown of the CofA watermark impacts the roo's face !

So the answer to your question, NO its not a blind Roo, just an inking anomaly caused by the
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Pampstamp,

Similar to the many self-professed, self-appointed experts on this board you have just made a post that is inconclusive. Appears authoritative but has no explanation as to how you have arrived at your conclusion. Basically useless as a stand alone.

You've omitted several steps that helped you arrive at your conclusion. Only showing the end result doesn't help establish your bona fides. Enhance the watermark then, as you have previously done in another post, explain or illustrate how you know that the circled area is in the percise area underlying the weakened area of the face.

Going that extra mile/km is well worth the effort. It'll help establish your credentials. Try using "StampCompare" but flip the image of the face then superimpose it on the darkened watermarked reverse or do the opposite.
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Hello all, can anyone help with this flaw?

Break on N in Nine.
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Micky,

This flaw, from First watermark printings only, is common to many cliches. It's most likely a working die flaw, intermittent due to inking issues, since it is not seen on other values.

We've discussed this flaw previously - I have numerous NWPI examples and do not pay much attention to it. Might have posted several examples years ago.
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Micky,

Here's an excerpt from Banwell & Parsons' revised 9d checklist where they erroneously listed it as an uncatalogued variety. Note the reference to 'E' (sic).

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Okay got it, thank you Rod. It looked pretty significant so I asked.


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Kainnikanada wrote:
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Pampstamp,

Similar to the many self-professed, self-appointed experts on this board you have just made a post that is inconclusive. Appears authoritative but has no explanation as to how you have arrived at your conclusion. Basically useless as a stand alone.

You've omitted several steps that helped you arrive at your conclusion. Only showing the end result doesn't help establish your bona fides. Enhance the watermark then, as you have previously done in another post, explain or illustrate how you know that the circled area is in the percise area underlying the weakened area of the face.

Going that extra mile/km is well worth the effort. It'll help establish your credentials. Try using "StampCompare" but flip the image of the face then superimpose it on the darkened watermarked reverse or do the opposite.
Rod agreed and noted!!

Fortunately very busy at work at this time with time limitations not allowing a more appropriate consideration in the several steps I have taken to arrive at my conclusions :(

The image is of low resolution (230kb) and the use of retroreveal clearly shows the left side of the CofA CROWN
impacting the roo's face.This would have caused the inking issue when the plates were pressed as the watermark
clearly is there. I could not enhance the watermark due to the very low resolution of the members scan.

Unfortunately I cannot load "StampCompare" software on my work laptop due to downloading restrictions. :roll:

Agreed as with most things in life "Going that extra mile/km is well worth the effort". Cheers :D

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I don't buy the watermark causing the pale-faced roo suggestion. You see pale-faced roo's on a fairly regular basis, on all sorts of values/watermarks.

I picked this group of Roo's up recently. Watermarks = 2nd/3rd/3rd and two of the 3 have pale faces. If it's a watermark thing, why does it only seem to affect the face?

For me, it's more of a "weak entry" in appearance.


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I've plated this second watermark Roo as R34 "Long Spencer's Gulf with righthand tip of mouth broken up".

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Re: Flaws on Aust Kangaroo stamps? Help from the experts please!

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Chris,

Your identification is correct. This excerpt from harry64's 5/- flaw document I was give has an additional clue. There's the damaged coast to the lower right of the Gulf.

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And, in my copy, the upper coastline (north) of the Bight has an irregularity in its outline.

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Here's your example:

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Thanks Rod, much appreciated.
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I recently picked up a small collection of 1d Red flaws.

Some were just identified by a plate position, some were identified by position and a description of the flaw.

Not all were correctly plated, but using a combination of the ACSC and the Wiki, I've managed to sort most of them out.

However, I've been left with a few stragglers I'm stuck on. Any help greatly appreciated.

Stamp 1: Described as being EL42. Apart from masses of minor shading flaws, I can't see anything obvious on this one.

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Stamp 2: Described as being ER1. This is wrong, ER1 is a notch inside the left frame. This stamp shows a rounded top right corner and shading issues around PENNY.


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Stamp 3: Described as being FR51. Shows shading flaws below A, above Cape York, and a white flaw on the roo's arm.


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Stamp 4: Described as being GR59. Shows thinned frame in SW corner.


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Stamp 5: Described as KR37. Shows shade break below U and broken O. Watermark shows it to be left marginal.


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Re: Flaws on Aust Kangaroo stamps? Help from the experts please!

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So here are my observations on the above 1d kangaroo's as per Adams, Bell and Pope

EL42 - No mention of any listed flaws in this position

ER1 - (a) Left frame: notch on inner side 6mm from upper frame
(b) Shading left of Cape Londonderry: small breaks in line 1 and line 3, 4.5 mm and 3.75 mm respectively from
left frame - not in early printings.
I could not find any reference in any position to the flaws you have identified on this stamp

FR51 - No mention of any listed flaws in this position. Does show some similarities to KL36 - First state

KL36 -S1 - (a) Shading below E of POSTAGE: break in line 4, 5.5 mm from right frame
(b) Shading below first A of AUSTRALIA: breaks in lines 1 and 2, 1mm from left frame

GR59 - Your observations are correct as listed

KR37 - (a) O of ONE: break at top, 2.25mm from left frame
(b) Bottom left corner: small split in bottom frame which sometimes appears as small notch
(c) Bottom inner frame: break 1mm from left frame
There is no reference to the shade breaks below U of AUSTRALIA

Hope this helps
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Brilliant, thanks David, much appreciated.
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Re: Flaws on Aust Kangaroo stamps? Help from the experts please!

Post by dj_claz »

I'm afraid that the bottom left corner perf is missing but there seem to be a couple of flaws on this stamp.

No idea myself but interested to find out if these are listed or just printing flaws. There seems to be a diagonal cut at the top of the island, part of the shading line missing above pence. There is also a nick in the frame at the top left.
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