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Pampstamp wrote:
Well still scarce, but from other comments on this thread plenty around!!!
Time for ACSC to update it, to stop getting us worked up!!
A quick wash generally does wonders for ID'ing such pieces.

Add a scan of both sides to here -

https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=88790

So that Dr. Kellow does see it, and add scans of the First Watermarks referenced above.

Dr. Kellow DOES read that thread regularly, and appreciates the communal effort made to keep the ACSC as up to date as possible. :idea:

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Kainnikanada wrote:Pampstamp,

These stamps were surface printed - ink only applied to the 'highs'. Any 'low' area (lying below the surface) would not have been inked such as in the case of a scratch to the plate that would have damaged/removed the 'high'.

Note your cut contains ink ergo no cut just an area either affected by the watermark or by a coarser mesh of fibers. Either of these two mechanisms restricts the deposition of ink creating the illusion of a whiter area (devoid of ink).

Hold the stamp before a strong light source. Does the watermark impinge on the that area?

Please post a scan of the reverse and I can merge both scans.
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Holding the stamp to a strong light DOES reveal the watermark impingement
in that area!! :shock: :shock:

That explains it!

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The Pom wrote:I found this elsewhere on the Board:

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Looks like mine might be classed as a similar, but weaker, example.
I was browsing through ebay today during my lunch time at work and sudenly i found this 1st wmk 3d kangaroo which appeared to be interesting! Of course I didn`t have my ACSC with my, but I thought I had seen a similar stamp with this such a doubling of the frame, the map and the roos back before. Although the price of 30€ wasn`t cheap, I decided to buy it! When I came home from work I had a look at my ACSC and I was happy, that I decided to buy it! This example looks very similar to the KISS PRINT example of the 1st wmk 3d roo illustrated in ACSC! Cat. value for this variety in mint hinged is 1500AU$! I know there are some contrverse opinions about KISS PRINTS, but I think the 30€ were not a bad deal!?

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Would the experts confirm this is the variety mentioned in ACSC!?

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Apologies if this has been covered before but I could not find any help in the 6d blue Roo Wiki or in suggested changes to ACSC.

The following shows the flaw "Islands in Bass Strait" on ACSC 17 (1st watermark)

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ACSC Kangaroos 2017 lists it at plate position 2L21 for ACSC 17 and at 2L27 for ACSC 18 and 19.

The illustrations are not helpful as both identify as (2)e?

I'm guessing 2L27 is correct but can this be confirmed please.

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The following might be of interest to those interested in detail.

ACSC Kangaroos 2017 shows for the 2½d Roo a variety 'Retouch between Tasmania and mainland' which is at 1L45, variety (1)f, and indicates that it occurs only for 3rd watermark on the Harrison plates.

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ACSC notes that a number of varieties are found only in the Harrison plates and suggests that none of the retouches show any significant initial damaged state.

The following 1st watermark does show some damage between Tas and mainland that seems to match the retouch shown in ACSC.

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Hi All
Here is another 1/ Roo I couldn't find in the ACSC :shock:
This one OS SMW- line through it!
Any guess on a value?
Haven't seen any like that. Anyone? :D

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Dick,

Austcollect posted a couple examples on the '6d Roo compendium' thread without a scan of the watermark so we don't know its potential position. I don't recall seeing any copies on this thread.

I'll go through my library of NWPI blocks of 30 for clarification.
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roninrr wrote: The following shows the flaw "Islands in Bass Strait" on ACSC 17 (1st watermark)
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ACSC Kangaroos 2017 lists it at plate position 2L21 for ACSC 17 and at 2L27 for ACSC 18 and 19.
The illustrations are not helpful as both identify as (2)e?
I'm guessing 2L27 is correct but can this be confirmed please.
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Dick,

It's 2L21. I have it in a scan of an NWPI block of 30 (third watermark).
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Thanks Rod.

Does your multiple extend far enough to confirm the 'White flaw below Albany' or its retouch is at position 2L27?

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Dick,

As requested.

Note - 2L27 cannot be a retouch since there is no evidence of the worn area being bumped up to provide a surface for printing. The apparent retouch is probably just dried ink, filling the worn/damaged area, that has been raised to the level of the printing surface thus appearing as a retouch.

Take a careful inspection of a copy of the retouched 'E' to see how bumping up the back of the plate affects the printing face. Another excellent example is the thin 'G' of the 1d Geo V red.
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Pampstamp wrote: Image
If it were a scratch the printing surface (shading lines) would have been damaged/partially removed. Consequences: an uninked variety. Scratches always appear white.

In your example something, possibly hair or wire or string, was adhering to the plate prior to inking. When inked the foreign material created an apparent streak - probably not constant.

Here's an inconstant/transient piece of foreign material on a 1st watermarked 1/- roo (ACSC 30(u)d) which I've plated, based on my ongoing 1/- Die 2 research, as 2L54:
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This is not a retouch since it disappears without leaving any damage; it is not seen on subsequent watermarks.
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Thanks Kainnikanada

I did figure it might have been a hair or string of some sort :D :D

Any idea if collectible and value if any?

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Pampstamp wrote:Thanks Kainnikanada
Any idea if collectible and value if any?
Since it's transient (limited to a one-off print or portion of one print run) there would be no appreciable premium attached to a used example.
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Hi Rod

I picked up on your earlier comment about your work on the 3d kangaroo and map and I was wondering if you had come across the following flaw in your research.

It relates to position 1L53 and the "flaw" off the SW corner of TASMANIA. These are all third watermark and the overprint (ink dot in the W) confirms that they are from position 53.

Please note that the first two scans are from the blocks of Die 1/Die 2 that have been identified. The first scan shows no sign of any ink flaw and the second scan shows some ink buildup while the third scan shows the ink buildup increasing -(I do not know for sure if the 3rd scan is from a Die 1/Die 2 block as it is a single stamp.)

Do you have any examples that could confirm such a sequence/occurrence or are my observations fanciful??

Thanks for looking
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David posted the preceding on the NWPI overprint thread. My reply was as follows:
Kainnikanada wrote:David,

Continue these fanciful observations. So far, this recent one was quite fruitful.

Plate 1 had issues from its beginnings that later seems to have shown signs of deterioration. The two scans of blocks of 30 in my library (1L31-60) SG 96 & 109 (the latter provided to me by a Stampboarder member) do not have the shading line thickening you've posted. Must be a late flaw.

The one example I have, that I couldn't plate previously, is a bit later than your two examples. Note the spot in the 2 shading lines to the left of Cape Leeuwin.
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Have just spent the past hour updating my database/spreadsheets with this new information (added new states to 1L53 & 54). Also had to rename a few scans with the new plating.

David, can you post your observations on the Roo thread? I'll acknowledge your contribution when I write-up parts 2 & 3 of my 3d Roo paper.

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Here is another interesting flaw - Not Listed in ACSC :D

Its a 3rd Watermark Die11B- Striking- large flaw!

Anyone with any idea of value? :shock:

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Pampstamp wrote:Here is another interesting flaw - Not Listed in ACSC
Its a 3rd Watermark Die11B- Striking- large flaw!
Anyone with any idea of value?
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None of my back issues of the Bulletins of BSAP & ACCCNSW, as early as 1986, have any references to this inking flaw - most likely transient.

Richard Guy, who is gradually documenting Die 2B plate flaws, sent me a few scans of cliches he's working on. Again, none had your flaw. There are numerous flaws yet to be located/positioned.

Probably just a curiosity. No inherent premium.
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Thanks for your comments but I beg to differ!! 8)
Your conclusions are not palatable :lol: :lol:

The flaw in "real life" is striking and scarce and would have appeal to collectors :D

EXAMPLE

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Rod Perry wrote:
Pampstamp wrote:
PhilipAdams wrote:Interesting stamp pampstamp, and thank you for posting.

I haven't seen an ink flaw like this.

I showed it to David Adams (of Adams, Bell and Pope), who replied

Sorry not seen before, nice large inking flaw. Thanks for showing me.

Showed it to another collector from Australia with much more experience than me, who replied

Thanks for sharing Philip... I’ve seen and have similar ink flaws... but not this one! What a gem!

Philip
Thanks Philip for your comments

What would be a CV (or estimate) for this example?
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I hope Philip will not mind me putting on my auctioneer's cap to make the following suggestions:

1. At auction, I would estimate a realisation in the several $100's. It's so spectacular in the visual stakes, if two serious specialists want it, perhaps a four-figure item.

2. Catalogue listing would be dependent upon it being proven to be semi-constant (like the catalogued similar type variety of even greater dimensions). The hunt is on!

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Will some of your folks CEASE quoting the entire image rich post immediately ahead of yours??

TOTAL waste of time, confusing, and pages load slow for EVERYONE when a bunch of geniuses do that every post. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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They will make you a Lifetime Powa Sella - you qualify on all necessary counts. Most fly speck huntas never sell anything of course, but it is the HOPE that counts! :mrgreen:

It is a very small clearly transient ink blob, on a truly Fugly stamp.

If you got more than $20 as a curio I'd be gobsmacked. Kainnikanada clearly told you that already and your Powa Sella hackles were raised. On Ebay, these Mega Gems are retirement on the Greek Isles in a mansion stuff, I know, but most of us live in the real world. Here is this world-class stunner at real stamp size -
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If the 1d red transient blob, also on an ugly stamp sold for $50-$60 in a real auction, I'd also be gobsmacked - can you let us know how that one fared in the REAL world please??
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Just for the record and your information I have a genuine offer of $400 for the 1d "blob" which I have rejected :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Didn't even try too hard 8)

I will take Mr Perry's advice and see what happens!!!

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Phillip Adams posted on Aug. 28th a 2/- maroon with a flaw only recorded in Cof A, but present in his 3rd wmk copy.

Here is a SMW copy with the same flaw. I just came across this recently.

Seems B-W can update their catalog. I have labeled my copy as 39(1)m, on the reasonable assumption this comes from 1R38 also.

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Good work Pat,

Now confirmed for all three watermarks of the Maroon printing.

Below is a copy of my August posting to which Pat refers
PhilipAdams wrote:Below is a 2/- Maroon Kangaroo printed on third watermark paper (yes, I can see the rust spot). Hence BW 38.
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There is a white flaw at the top left corner.
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This appears to be identical to the listed CofA watermark variety - BW 40(1)m, located on the first plate, position R38.

There is no "38(1)m" in the ACSC? Is this an error, and if so has it been picked up before?

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Hi Guys,

Would this break be enough to be classed as,
1L14 Second state
Break through both inner and outer right frames adjacent to Y of PENNY.

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Mal,

Nice one. I believe it is the second state.

Here is the first state, with a clear break only through the inner frame.

http://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=18421#p661646

You should add your second-state to the ½d Green Kangaroo WIKI.

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Thanks Philip,

I might hold off till I can scan it at 1200dpi.

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While researching cliches for inclusion in the second part of my ACCCNSW/BSAP 3d Roo plating articles I've found a previously unidentified flawed position. The two scans of blocks of 30 in my library (courtesy Bob Parsons) of 1L1-30 are of a low resolution and fail to conclusively or clearly identify one part of the flawed area.

As shown below, the cliche 1L25 Third watermark (with a vertical watermark line) exhibits 3 flaws: a thickened coastline to WA, damaged shading lines between WA and the inner frame line (thinned ones near Cape Leeuwin and thickened ones at the coast's nearest point to inner frame line) and a damaged outer frame line in the same area.
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The thickened coastline is not unique to this cliche - it can be found on numerous ones in the left column of the left pane. The block shown above, from 1L19-20, 25-6, only has the two left cliches with thick coastlines.

Scans of the two cliches (1L25) from the blocks of 30 seem to not show a damaged outer frame line. Unfortunately the colour of the stamps seem to obscure that particular area. Enlarging the scans is not helpful.

Does anyone have single copies or multiples of either First or Third watermarked 3d from this cliche that shows the outer frame line normal? ...or, conversely, is there a First watermarked example that shows the frame damage?
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Need help with this 1/- Die 2B third WM.

1. Top left corner , small notch outer corner with slight over-hang.

2. Left frame distorted and thickened. The thickening commences above the O in ONE, frame bends inwards.

3, Small coloured dot in the left frame corner.

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A superb group of 1d Red Roo flaws has been donated for Bushire Auction by Lakatoi4 -

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Lakatoi 4 wrote:We were very fortunate to take a holiday just a couple of months ago in the Bateman’s Bay area of NSW. People we met there were all very friendly and went out of their way to make us feel at home. It’s almost unbelievable that they’ve now had to endure these ferocious bushfires along with others throughout Australia.

Many people have died, native wildlife has been decimated and tiny towns we visited such as Mogo and Cobargo are now virtually in ruins.

Here’s my small contribution to help pay these people back for their kindness (and to perhaps further philately at the same time).
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The Kangaroo stamp issues of Australia, in particular the plate flaws of the 1d. issues have always been collectable. So for those that want to venture into a new collecting area or those that want to fill in some missing items from their own collection, here are some of mine. The BW cat. numbers and total value are from the 2017 ACSC (Australian Commonwealth Specialists’ Catalogue):

From Die I, Plates B and C
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1. BW2(B)d “Rostage”
2. BW2(B)e “White scratch in Bight”
3. BW2(B)fa “1 flaw west of Tasmania” (second state)
4. BW2(B)h “White flaw off Cape York”
5. BW2(B)i “Break in left frame opposite “A’ of Australia”
6. BW2(B)j “Break in upper right of value circle”
7. BW2(B)k “White flaw under “o” of Postage”
8. BW2(B)m “White flaw left of value circle”
9. BW2(C)d “Break at top of kangaroo’s paw”
10. BW2(C)e “Notch in left frame south west of Western Australia
11. BW2(C)f “White scratch from “l” of “Australia” near coast
12. BW2(C)g “White flaw in Gulf of Carpentaria”
13. BW2(C)l “White flaw over “IA”
14. BW2(C)m “White flaw below Victoria”
15. BW2(C)n “White flaw above ”Y” of “Penny’

From Die II, Plates E and F
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1. BW3(E)d “Extra island (two Tasmania’s) – with a Tassie cancel 8)
2. BW3(E)db “Extra island (two Tasmania’s)” - the sub-cliché
3. BW3(E)e “Large white flaw in inner frame opposite “One”
4. BW3(E)f “Large white flaw left of “P” of “Postage”
5. BW3(F)g “White flaw over “Au” of Australia”
6. BW3(F)h “Diagonal white scratch over coast at Adelaide”
7. BW3(F)i “White flaw on right side of “A” of “Australia”
8. BW3(F)k “White flaw over “O” of “One”
9. Just for something completely different - a Die I watermark inverted
10. And also for something completely different - a Die II watermark inverted

Total catalogue value of the above is AU$600 so perhaps a good starting point is AU$99 :idea:

Please post your offers below. The auction will end at 12:00 noon AEDST (i.e. Sydney time) on Saturday 11 January.

I will send all these items to the winning bidder via registered post (included) to anywhere worldwide.

Payment is to be made direct to Glen as part of the Stampboard's 2020 Bushfire Appeal:

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Help needed with this one.

White lower dot on last "A" of "ALIA"

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Mal,

Not seen a flaw like that on the last A. There is nothing in the Pope monograph either.

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Hi Philip,

Thanks for the reply.

I might give this one a hot soak to make sure,
then repost once cleaned up.

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Can anyone confirm that this is position 2L38a, indented frame below O of One, on this 1/- stamp? Does this add any premium to the stamp?

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eharper wrote:Can anyone confirm that this is position 2L38a...?...
Definitely a 1/- Roo 2L38a-c.

Probably no premium - there are numerous flawed cliches on this plate notwithstanding its apparent visibility.
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The postmark however is rated 2R.
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Hi Guys,

Help with this one please.

Looks to be ACSC 21(U)h Break in left frame near top.
But also has an extra notch top right corner, maybe 2nd state??

Shame about the perfs top left :roll:

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This 2/- break in coastline above Roo's back anything constant?



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Here's a nice example an unplated 3rd watermarked 9d Roo - ACSC 26(U)d or Banwell & Parsons UCV C5; owned by fellow member David Potts. It has the clearly split outer left frame line.
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It appears not to be from either the left, top or base marginal positions of plate 2. I see no evidence of watermark lines that should be present as seen in this scan of the back.
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stallzer wrote:This 2/- break in coastline above Roo's back anything constant?



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Nothing in the ACSC for this one.
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Thanks Chris. It's one of the first 3 watermarks (I'm bad at these) so thought it might be worth a shot.
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Darkice wrote: Hi Guys,
Help with this one please.
Looks to be ACSC 21(U)h Break in left frame near top.
But also has an extra notch top right corner, maybe 2nd state??
Regards Mal
Mal,

Can we see a scan of the back of the stamp? ...and can you enlarge the upper left corner?
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Lesley wrote:Need help with this 1/- Die 2B third WM.
1. Top left corner , small notch outer corner with slight over-hang.
2. Left frame distorted and thickened. The thickening commences above the O in ONE, frame bends inwards.
3. Small coloured dot in the left frame corner.
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Good high res scans for me to work with.

re: 1. I highlighted the horizontal watermark line then flipped the scan to superimpose it onto the front scan. You can see the line probably resulted in an issue at the upper left corner creating the appearance of a faint/weak notch.

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re: 2. & 3. Both appear legitimate. I have no references for either flaw in my literature library. Richard Guy is the only collector I know that's working on Die 2B flaws. He hasn't listed either one nor did he send me scans of these from his ongoing research (I have numerous ones he's working on).

With your permission I could forward these scans to him for his opinion.

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Kainnikanada wrote:Here's a nice example an unplated 3rd watermarked 9d Roo - ACSC 26(U)d or Banwell & Parsons UCV C5; owned by fellow member David Potts. It has the clearly split outer left frame line.
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It appears not to be from either the left, top or base marginal positions of plate 2. I see no evidence of watermark lines that should be present as seen in this scan of the back.
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This is my copy of BW26(u)d which I identified from Banwell & Parsons in 2013 as 2L26. Notified Geoff Kellow in same year and again in 2016 with other corrections to ACSC but never received acknowledgement.

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Les,

Photobucket is giving me a headache. The image that is not showing on my previous post, that was a response to your last 1/- query, can be seen in my Photobucket account. Unfortunately, when I copy its link to Stampboards it refuses to show properly. WTF at the moment!

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langtounlad wrote:Rod
This is my copy of BW26(u)d which I identified from Banwell & Parsons in 2013 as 2L26. Notified Geoff Kellow in same year and again in 2016 with other corrections to ACSC but never received acknowledgement.
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Can you repeat the rationale you used to identify the cliche? I will prepare a collaborative article to place in the ACCCNSW Bulletin - you can be first author; idetified by your handle or first name. That'll grab Geoff's attention.

Can we also see a scan of the back of the stamp?

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Kainnikanada wrote:
Darkice wrote: Hi Guys,
Help with this one please.
Looks to be ACSC 21(U)h Break in left frame near top.
But also has an extra notch top right corner, maybe 2nd state??
Regards Mal
Mal,

Can we see a scan of the back of the stamp? ...and can you enlarge the upper left corner?
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Hi Kainnikanada,
Here is a scan of the back, looks like there is a bottom margin line.
Sorry about the enlarged scan.. best I can do atm.

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Kainnikanada wrote:Les,

Photobucket is giving me a headache. The image that is not showing on my previous post, that was a response to your last 1/- query, can be seen in my Photobucket account. Unfortunately, when I copy its link to Stampboards it refuses to show properly. WTF at the moment!

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Rod, you may use any image I post. Only to glad too help.


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Hi all

I have attached a scan of a 3rd watermark 5/- kangaroo and map that is from position L36. Have any members come across the extra damage to the NG of SHILLINGS and the bottom frame as an extra unlisted flaw, or is it an optional extra??

It is not watermark related.

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Looks like a surface scuff to me. Hold it up to the light at an oblique angle & it should show up as a duller area.
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David,

Here's a colour-altered version of your stamp vs a copy I have.

Looks as if the disturbance is a tinshed.
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The resolution of your scan doesn't permit me to see the secondary flaw that is a small break in the shading line immediately beneath the 'U' of 'AUST'.
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Thanks for the comments. Some extra scans of the flaws in question.....

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