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This looks like a nice example of AR35. Might show the scratch a bit better than the current wiki example!
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This one is listed as BL8/5 which I have interpreted as BL47.
I have compared it to the example in the wiki, but I am not convinced that the small break in line 7 below the O of POSTAGE qualifies it to be BL47. Could I please have an expert opinion.
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This one is listed as BL8/5 which I have interpreted as BL47.
I have compared it to the example in the wiki, but I am not convinced that the small break in line 7 below the O of POSTAGE qualifies it to be BL47. Could I please have an expert opinion.
Many thanks
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I think you are right.
Hence, https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=87758&p=5718501#p5718501
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No, but I'll give you my opinion instead.david3461 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2020 19:26Also
This one is listed as BL8/5 which I have interpreted as BL47.
I have compared it to the example in the wiki, but I am not convinced that the small break in line 7 below the O of POSTAGE qualifies it to be BL47. Could I please have an expert opinion.
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The position is exactly right.
The break is small at the best of times, and by small I mean SMALL.
I think you are the proud owner of a BL47.
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Thanks for the confirmation Philip. I think I am starting to get the hang of these 1d kangaroos
Having said that - what are your thoughts on this being a copy of CL16 - State 3
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Having said that - what are your thoughts on this being a copy of CL16 - State 3
Cheers
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David I see where you're coming from.
"Shading above N of ONE: 0.5mm break in line 7, starting at 4.0mm from left frame" - Tick for First state.
plus
"Right border: small colour dot, 12.5mm above bottom frame" - Tick for second state.
plus
"Right outer frame: indentation adjacent to the red dot 12.5mm above the bottom frame" - No tick.
Early sign of an indentation, but if it were me, then that stamp gets filed away as second state CL16.
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"Shading above N of ONE: 0.5mm break in line 7, starting at 4.0mm from left frame" - Tick for First state.
plus
"Right border: small colour dot, 12.5mm above bottom frame" - Tick for second state.
plus
"Right outer frame: indentation adjacent to the red dot 12.5mm above the bottom frame" - No tick.
Early sign of an indentation, but if it were me, then that stamp gets filed away as second state CL16.
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Thanks Philip - noted accordingly...
Also a close up of CL38 .....for the wiki maybe??
Also a close up of CL38 .....for the wiki maybe??
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And maybe CL42 as well
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Thanks David,
Since you've posted them, then I'll include them in the WIKI.
In the WIKI, I've adopted the practice of one full-stamp image per flawed unit, without a close up of the specific flaw. This is to save time and effort so that I can move through the flaws a bit quicker.
Is this working for you? Or would it be better to have the full stamp and a close up? Note that you can download any of the full-stamp images (taken at 1200 dpi) to get more detail.
What do others think?
Philip
Since you've posted them, then I'll include them in the WIKI.
In the WIKI, I've adopted the practice of one full-stamp image per flawed unit, without a close up of the specific flaw. This is to save time and effort so that I can move through the flaws a bit quicker.
Is this working for you? Or would it be better to have the full stamp and a close up? Note that you can download any of the full-stamp images (taken at 1200 dpi) to get more detail.
What do others think?
Philip
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Although it would be a new approach to add close-ups (for the "roo and KGV topics I follow - maybe others already do), if the close-up can be added side-by-side, that would be a good addition.
Adding them sequentially would not be helpful for looking through the posts, however.
And yes, it would be an added load on the moderator. To me, it would be up to you, Phillip, if you were willing to accept that additional responsibility.
Futher, this would make the 1d 'roo topic unique, which might have ramifications for moderators of other topics. A wider discussion among moderators may be appropriate.
Finally, what of the previous posts? Or posts of scans that are of not the best quality? How would you handle them?
This is kind of a Pandora's Box.
Adding them sequentially would not be helpful for looking through the posts, however.
And yes, it would be an added load on the moderator. To me, it would be up to you, Phillip, if you were willing to accept that additional responsibility.
Futher, this would make the 1d 'roo topic unique, which might have ramifications for moderators of other topics. A wider discussion among moderators may be appropriate.
Finally, what of the previous posts? Or posts of scans that are of not the best quality? How would you handle them?
This is kind of a Pandora's Box.
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Philip,
I agree with Pat. Enlargements are an asset. Uploading with the new board is 10x(plus) faster than the old Imgur/Photobucket arrangement. When you 'add files as attachments they're uploaded in sequence and have their original name appended. All features that aid in uploading. And I agree with Pat the new 'Addspace' button is a game saver.
It's beneficial to have a written commentary of the flaw but reading it slows one's browsing speed. Augment the text with enlargements because you need to identify states.
Take a look at the ½d Geo V wiki where Gutters has not included enlargements. That's the result of no one taking the time to cutout the flaws. My own library is cluttered with enlargements. If they're only a clip out of the original and appear smaller at least one knows the significant flaws for each cliche. One's eyes don't have to roam around the stamp trying to find each flaw.
Only one drawback to the additional work. From my experience I find few members actually compliment one for taking such effort to create and maintain these wikis. Only a handful are actually grateful and appreciative. Not bitter! .....just observant.
I agree with Pat. Enlargements are an asset. Uploading with the new board is 10x(plus) faster than the old Imgur/Photobucket arrangement. When you 'add files as attachments they're uploaded in sequence and have their original name appended. All features that aid in uploading. And I agree with Pat the new 'Addspace' button is a game saver.
It's beneficial to have a written commentary of the flaw but reading it slows one's browsing speed. Augment the text with enlargements because you need to identify states.
Take a look at the ½d Geo V wiki where Gutters has not included enlargements. That's the result of no one taking the time to cutout the flaws. My own library is cluttered with enlargements. If they're only a clip out of the original and appear smaller at least one knows the significant flaws for each cliche. One's eyes don't have to roam around the stamp trying to find each flaw.
Only one drawback to the additional work. From my experience I find few members actually compliment one for taking such effort to create and maintain these wikis. Only a handful are actually grateful and appreciative. Not bitter! .....just observant.
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Pat and Rod,
Thank you for your responses.
It looks as if additional close-up images would be useful.
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Philip
Thank you for your responses.
It looks as if additional close-up images would be useful.
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Did someone scramble then encode the letters of your word? ...or new symptoms of Covid-19?
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No,
That's my foolproof way of adding a space.
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That's my foolproof way of adding a space.
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The below is 1/ - 2nd Watermark Roo OS NSW.
The ACSC lists this as 31A ba, CV$475 for OS
My question is is there are premium for OS rather that OS NSW and is it scarcer?
The ACSC lists this as 31A ba, CV$475 for OS

My question is is there are premium for OS rather that OS NSW and is it scarcer?
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Pampstamp,
I doubt whether there is an answer. Certainly, in my view, there is no definitive answer.
Have a look at the posts to this thread (there are probably others) to gauge for yourself.
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=38919&start=50
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I doubt whether there is an answer. Certainly, in my view, there is no definitive answer.
Have a look at the posts to this thread (there are probably others) to gauge for yourself.
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=38919&start=50
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Yes Phillip, I agree to some extent.PhilipAdams wrote: ↑06 Aug 2020 06:38Pampstamp,
I doubt whether there is an answer. Certainly, in my view, there is no definitive answer.
Philip
These are notoriously badly centered, and being a 2nd watermark even harder to get in decent condition.
How many in 1/- 2wmk NSW OS ( in what looks like the Bright Blue Green shade) exist is anybodies guess!
Cant be that many

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There is an answer and it is in the ACSC - all you have to do is read the whole book and not just the values. It states "Stamps punctured by State Government Departments for official use do not rank as Commonwealth issues and we do not include these in this catalogue."
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There is an answer and it is in the ACSC - all you have to do is read the whole book and not just the values. It states "Stamps punctured by State Government Departments for official use do not rank as Commonwealth issues and we do not include these in this catalogue."
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Frank, I am fully aware of this as it is spelt out in the introductionlangtounlad wrote: ↑06 Aug 2020 15:20Pampstamp
There is an answer and it is in the ACSC - all you have to do is read the whole book and not just the values. It states "Stamps punctured by State Government Departments for official use do not rank as Commonwealth issues and we do not include these in this catalogue."
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Your implication that people just look up values and ignore everything else is just wrong

They stopped using them in 1933! Probably printed millions upon millions!!
My question remains how scarce is it to Commonwealth OS in THIS particular stamp?
I feel it cant be that many

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Hi!
here are my Kangaroo 1/- green 2nd wmk perf. OS to compare. I have two OS NSW and six OS examples. I was lucky to find most of them in an old collection housed in many glassines. Of course both are normally quite hard to find, but I can`t say which are scarcer! The problem with the OS NSW perfins is, that they are not catalogued and thus suffer demand. Of course, if they`d ever be catalogued, they would surely attract many more people!
Greetings
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here are my Kangaroo 1/- green 2nd wmk perf. OS to compare. I have two OS NSW and six OS examples. I was lucky to find most of them in an old collection housed in many glassines. Of course both are normally quite hard to find, but I can`t say which are scarcer! The problem with the OS NSW perfins is, that they are not catalogued and thus suffer demand. Of course, if they`d ever be catalogued, they would surely attract many more people!
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Hi Philip et al
I have a couple of tricky ones for you!!
(1) This appears to be a copy of CR9 (with close up)
Your thoughts please ??
I have a couple of tricky ones for you!!
(1) This appears to be a copy of CR9 (with close up)
Your thoughts please ??
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David,
On your stamp, there is some disturbance to the shading line exactly where the CR9 break is located. But it is unclear whether it is coming directly from the plate, or is an inking flaw, or is some damage to the paper surface.
I'm going for "probably not" on this one. Certainly the break illustrated in the WIKI is more pronounced.
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On your stamp, there is some disturbance to the shading line exactly where the CR9 break is located. But it is unclear whether it is coming directly from the plate, or is an inking flaw, or is some damage to the paper surface.
I'm going for "probably not" on this one. Certainly the break illustrated in the WIKI is more pronounced.
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The stamp below was purchased at a recent Phoenix auction.
It is a grey 2d CA monogram single - Third watermark, Die IIA - ACSC 8(3)za.
Of interest is the very noticeable break in the outer circle at around 9.00 o'clock.
I've not seen anything like this, but I have very little experience with Monograms.
Is this something that others have seen either on the Kangaroo or on other Australian monogram stamps?
Thanks,
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It is a grey 2d CA monogram single - Third watermark, Die IIA - ACSC 8(3)za.
Of interest is the very noticeable break in the outer circle at around 9.00 o'clock.
I've not seen anything like this, but I have very little experience with Monograms.
Is this something that others have seen either on the Kangaroo or on other Australian monogram stamps?
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If you have the Hardy catalogue from Phoenix you will find one there on page 59 lot 255. Otherwise check the Phoenix website - they have past catalogues there. When you find the item I think you just click on the image to enlarge. Looks as if that was how the plate was made. Noticed this when I got the catalogue at Melbourne 2013 but as I do not collect these delicacies it went out of my mind until your post.
Will be responding to your email this weekend.
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If you have the Hardy catalogue from Phoenix you will find one there on page 59 lot 255. Otherwise check the Phoenix website - they have past catalogues there. When you find the item I think you just click on the image to enlarge. Looks as if that was how the plate was made. Noticed this when I got the catalogue at Melbourne 2013 but as I do not collect these delicacies it went out of my mind until your post.
Will be responding to your email this weekend.
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PhillipPhilipAdams wrote: ↑07 Aug 2020 20:27The stamp below was purchased at a recent Phoenix auction.
It is a grey 2d CA monogram single - Third watermark, Die IIA - ACSC 8(3)za.
Of interest is the very noticeable break in the outer circle at around 9.00 o'clock.
I've not seen anything like this, but I have very little experience with Monograms.
Philip
I have an interest in the Roo Monograms and any break on the circle is scarce.
Used examples of course are 100 times scarcer than mint


Which brings me to the infamous JBC stamp below!! The bottom of the outer ring is missing!!
At least I got a free Nip & Tuck after I showed the repairer the encouraging comments on an earlier thread

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Excellent advice Frank, thank you.langtounlad wrote: ↑07 Aug 2020 21:57Philip
If you have the Hardy catalogue from Phoenix you will find one there on page 59 lot 255. Otherwise check the Phoenix website - they have past catalogues there. When you find the item I think you just click on the image to enlarge. Looks as if that was how the plate was made. Noticed this when I got the catalogue at Melbourne 2013 but as I do not collect these delicacies it went out of my mind until your post.
Will be responding to your email this weekend.
Regards
Frank
Have now done a little bit of research on the Cooke round control monograms that are inserted into the upper plate of the Third watermark 2d (Die IIA).
Prior to around the middle of 1915 all the upper plates used by Cooke had no control monograms. Subsequently, all upper plates had them. Upper plate control monograms can be distinguished because the marginal line is always cut away to allow the insertion of the control.
This applies to the CA and the JBC monograms shown by me and Pampstamps.
Another characteristic of the monograms on the 2d Die IIA plate (which is an upper plate) is the break (CA) and the shaved bottom (JBC).
Here are the blocks referred to be Frank from the Stuart Hardy auction held by Phoenix. The cut away of the marginal line, the break in the CA monogram and the shaved bottom of the JBC monogram can be clearly seen.
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PS. This is the type of thing that might have been discussed elsewhere on the Board. I did look, but could not find anything.
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Thanks Philip - I thought that might be the case.
However, the second one I have might get you thinking.....
This one is also listed as CR9 and I think looks a lot closer to the mark
HOWEVER - this stamp is attached to what should be CR10. BUT, neither of the flaws listed in the wiki for CR10 are present on this stamp..........!! Any ideas??
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However, the second one I have might get you thinking.....
This one is also listed as CR9 and I think looks a lot closer to the mark
HOWEVER - this stamp is attached to what should be CR10. BUT, neither of the flaws listed in the wiki for CR10 are present on this stamp..........!! Any ideas??
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David,
At the best of times the CR9 break is small.
Again, you have early evidence of a break starting at the right spot. However, as you point out, there are no flaw markers on the right hand stamp that are consistent with what we know about CR10.
As the lawyers would say, "the evidence is far from compelling".
Philip
At the best of times the CR9 break is small.
Again, you have early evidence of a break starting at the right spot. However, as you point out, there are no flaw markers on the right hand stamp that are consistent with what we know about CR10.
As the lawyers would say, "the evidence is far from compelling".
Philip
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Thanks for your input Philip - much appreciated.
Here, I have attached three cut down scans of CR12 showing the listed flaws and also the unlisted flaw above Cape Londonderry. I have also highlighted a disturbance in shade line 11 below AU of AUSTRALIA that may also be an unlisted flaw. Do you agree??
Thanks David
Here, I have attached three cut down scans of CR12 showing the listed flaws and also the unlisted flaw above Cape Londonderry. I have also highlighted a disturbance in shade line 11 below AU of AUSTRALIA that may also be an unlisted flaw. Do you agree??
Thanks David
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I just won this little lot on ebay or 6£ including shipping costs and am now waiting for it to arrive soon. The scan is not the best, but the lower stamp of the vertical pair of the 1d red die I kangaroos seems to be ACSC (2A)h "Retouch under "Y" of "PENNY" (and frame break under "N" of "PENNY" pos. AR51 with cat. value of 100AU$ used. Can anyone confirm this variety?
Thanks a lot
I just won this little lot on ebay or 6£ including shipping costs and am now waiting for it to arrive soon. The scan is not the best, but the lower stamp of the vertical pair of the 1d red die I kangaroos seems to be ACSC (2A)h "Retouch under "Y" of "PENNY" (and frame break under "N" of "PENNY" pos. AR51 with cat. value of 100AU$ used. Can anyone confirm this variety?
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Hi Josto
If you have a look in the 1d kangaroo wiki put together by Philip Adams you will find an excellent example for you to compare to
Cheers David
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If you have a look in the 1d kangaroo wiki put together by Philip Adams you will find an excellent example for you to compare to
Cheers David
https://stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=87758&start=50
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Hi David,
a quite good match to Philips OS example! A nice buy I think.
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a quite good match to Philips OS example! A nice buy I think.
Greetings
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David,david3461 wrote: ↑09 Aug 2020 00:30Thanks for your input Philip - much appreciated.
Here, I have attached three cut down scans of CR12 showing the listed flaws and also the unlisted flaw above Cape Londonderry. I have also highlighted a disturbance in shade line 11 below AU of AUSTRALIA that may also be an unlisted flaw. Do you agree??
Thanks David
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ABP's full description of the CR12 flaws:
(a) Upper frame: break or notch in frame above I of AUSTRALIA, 3.5mm from right frame.
(b) Shading above last A of AUSTRALIA: break in lines 1 and 2, 2.5mm from right frame.
(c) Shading above Cape Londonderry: beaks in (i) lines 8 and 9 at 4.5mm; (ii) lines 11 and 12 at 3.25mm; (iii) lines 1 and 2 over point of Cape, 6.75mm. All measurements from left frame.
So as nearly always, ABP have it covered.
Philip
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Thanks Philip - and ABP for the extra info 

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The below pair- 2/ Roo in 3rd watermark OS stood out !!
I think it is the ACSC listed 37I Brownish-Grey(os)? Can anyone confirm?
I think it is the ACSC listed 37I Brownish-Grey(os)? Can anyone confirm?
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I hope you can help me with this one.
I guess it is either CR21 or CR22 - but I am thinking CR21 because of the location of the flaw off the east coast. I have looked at the examples in the wiki and I am still not sure where it fits as it doesn't actually match. Are there any other identifying marks that I am missing and/or are there different states.....??
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I guess it is either CR21 or CR22 - but I am thinking CR21 because of the location of the flaw off the east coast. I have looked at the examples in the wiki and I am still not sure where it fits as it doesn't actually match. Are there any other identifying marks that I am missing and/or are there different states.....??
Thanks for looking
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Re: Flaws on Aust Kangaroo stamps? Help from the experts please!
Could not find this flaw in the ACSC or Wiki
The stamp is SMW. Anyone else have it?

The stamp is SMW. Anyone else have it?
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Re: Flaws on Aust Kangaroo stamps? Help from the experts please!
Help required with this pair ½d.The left stamp has damage above S and damaged T in AUSTRALIA. Water mark centraland to the left.
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Re: Flaws on Aust Kangaroo stamps? Help from the experts please!
2L13 "Defective ST of AUSTRALIA" CV $50.
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Pampstamp,
The ACSC lists a number of shades for the third watermark brown, including "Greyish-Brown (shades)" and "Brownish-Grey (punctured OS only)".
Your stamps are punctured OS, but I don't think it is possible for anyone viewing the stamps electronically to tell whether they have a greyish, or brownish, or greyish-brown or browish-grey ....
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David,david3461 wrote: ↑09 Aug 2020 23:42I hope you can help me with this one.
I guess it is either CR21 or CR22 - but I am thinking CR21 because of the location of the flaw off the east coast. I have looked at the examples in the wiki and I am still not sure where it fits as it doesn't actually match. Are there any other identifying marks that I am missing and/or are there different states.....??
Thanks for looking
David
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Looking at the pictures in Adams, Bell and Pope it would seem that if we concentrate only on the flaw in the Bight:
CR20 - the flaw is very weak;
CR21 - the flaw is visible, but has a step pattern;
CR22 - the flaw is strong and straight from the top of the value circle to the SA coast.
It would seem, therefore, that you have CR21, and a nice example.
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Thanks Philip for the confirmation of CR21
And here is my copy of DL20
Cheers
And here is my copy of DL20
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I have another contestant for the Roo 2½d third wmk offset variety in used!!
Any opinions on this one, and by not being listed in the ACSC as used it may not exist.
Any opinions on this one, and by not being listed in the ACSC as used it may not exist.

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I think you will find that your offset is a bleed through were the ink has come through from the other side of the stamp you will note the top curve of the heavy post mark has also come through
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Nice David.
Straight to the WIKI it goes. Hence https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=87758&p=6765988#p6765988
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Ink bleeding versus offset has been discussed a number of times.
You might find the posts starting with the following useful (I did).
https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?p=2067146#p2067146
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Re: Flaws on Aust Kangaroo stamps? Help from the experts please!
Philip,PhilipAdams wrote: ↑15 Aug 2020 16:56I think you will find that your offset is a bleed through were the ink has come through from the other side of the stamp you will note the top curve of the heavy post mark has also come through
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One doesn't need to consult former posts for an answer.
I'd be holding the stamp before a strong/bright light source. If the perceived/apparent offset matched the face it would be ink bleed; if no agreement then it might be an offset.
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Tried the bright lightKainnikanada wrote: ↑15 Aug 2020 22:58Philip,PhilipAdams wrote: ↑15 Aug 2020 16:56I think you will find that your offset is a bleed through were the ink has come through from the other side of the stamp you will note the top curve of the heavy post mark has also come through
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One doesn't need to consult former posts for an answer.
I'd be holding the stamp before a strong/bright light source. If the perceived/apparent offset matched the face it would be ink bleed; if no agreement then it might be an offset.
It doesn't seem to match?

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Are you confident? If I align the top of the stamp's outer frame with the perf tips on both images they seem to be identically positioned - ergo it's the same image front and back.
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Re: Flaws on Aust Kangaroo stamps? Help from the experts please!
Not really confident!Kainnikanada wrote: ↑15 Aug 2020 23:32Are you confident? If I align the top of the stamp's outer frame with the perf tips on both images they seem to be identically positioned - ergo it's the same image front and back.
Its hard to tell with the naked eye with the light- It seemed out - but it could be my eyes!!
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