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Came across this super cancellation of Acacia Plateau, though PPA states: TO 23/7/1923; PO 2/11/1936; closed 19/5/1970.

I can't seem to find much information on the place other than what mcgooley showed me on: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=ACACIA+PLATEAU&l-category=Article&l-decade=193

Can anyone enlighten me on anything regarding Acacia Plateau ?
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from Hopson & Tobin.

ACACIA PLATEAU,

57k. Woodenbong

Telegraph Office 23.7.1923
Telephone Exchange 15.4.1936
Post Office 2.11.36, Florence Tyler, Postmistress,
Type 2D cancel 1935-1959
Closed 19.5.70

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Try this link, although not too much information here:

http://www.allhomes.com.au/ah/nsw/sale-residential/acacia-plateau/121718811

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The Acacia Plateau area today is very near the border between Queensland and NSW - the Northern Rivers region. Postcode 2476.

Woodenbong also 2476 seems to be the nearest town.

If your trying to find it on a map of NSW, find Murrwilumbah and head straight inland about 50km
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Manfaelife

Acacia Plateau is also in my territory not all that far from The Risk.

I still haven't been to The Risk but drove past that turnoff again on the weekend. Went through Woodenbong (pop. 500), then Legume, within 9kms of Acacia Plateau, then Killarney & Warwick to Toowoomba.

Acacia Ridge is about 2kms south of the Queensland border & I think it's ties would lie there.

It's only about an hour away from Warwick pop. 13,000, with another hour to Toowoomba, the largest inland city in Queensland.

It's a wild & beautiful area in the middle of the Border & Mcpherson Ranges, with large areas of National Park & state forest.
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So why was it that it had a post office?

Was it a timber town? It must have been something like that for it to have a population deserving a post office. A quick look at the satellite view on Google does not indicate where a settlement might have been located.

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It didn't always need a large settlement to warrant a post office, but I would be happy with timber industry just happened to work near a telegraph relay station and it grew for a while.

I have friends living in an old, (and substantial) well made post office about 20km out of Goulburn. The "village" consists of about 8 houses only (widely spaced along the single road) and a small populated catchment area of farms as well and yet there is a solid post office from a bygone era.

I've also been to the Bannaby post office (telegraph relay) and it's (a timber shack) out in the middle of nowhere surrounded by large farms and nothing else. There was even a school in the 1800's there and it's now just a foundation barely showing.


I've actually been thinking about tagging the Google Earth maps with where they are today so that you can zoom in and see where old postoffices once operated and no longer do.

Can someone see if it worked? Search in Google earth for Woodhouselee NSW and see if the tag is there for the Postoffice. I put details in the location marker.

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My last post disappeared into the ether, but I'll try again.

It is going to be difficult to find out much further information. Manfaelife's link provided some clues. I've already been to the historical society. They don't think they have anything, although the person I spoke to lived there as a little boy.

It seems, as the name suggests, it is a small area of flat land & it was settled by farmers. The historical society guy remembers potatoes. It's certainly also timber country & probably still is, despite the preponderance of national parks.

I agree with Allanswood, that's enough for a P.O. In 1936, it would have been at least as remote as an Aboriginal community in the middle of the Great Victoria Desert is today.

..............to be continued, I hope.
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Some great info guys thank you, though it does seem to have been a very small "town" or Village.

Only taking the stamp into account with it being a 1/- would suggest whatever it was on must have been likely a packet rather than a letter?

The strike also is quite sharp or at least there's plenty ink on the cancel which suggests the ink pad wasn't used a lot, though as the timing suggests this seems to be a very early date for Acacia Plateau, as a Post Office cancel.
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Whilst this is not the Acacia Plateau P.O. the Koreelah Post Office was nearby and gives you an idea of the type of P.O. one would expect. This photo was taken in 1951 and the P.O. is at the left of the building.
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The Acacia Plateau Flora Reserve is mentioned here:

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manfaefife wrote:Some great info guys thank you, though it does seem to have been a very small "town" or Village.

Only taking the stamp into account with it being a 1/- would suggest whatever it was on must have been likely a packet rather than a letter?

The strike also is quite sharp or at least there's plenty ink on the cancel which suggests the ink pad wasn't used a lot, though as the timing suggests this seems to be a very early date for Acacia Plateau, as a Post Office cancel.
1/6d was the very heavily used half ounce air rate to UK, and as this is presumably where you bought it, mystery solved - as clerks often used 2 stamps!

Indeed at a tiny outpost like this, here might now have been any call for the new 1/6d Hermes airmail stamp.

You will notice if you peer closely, there was a lighter cancel strike underneath of Acacia Plateau somewhat differently placed to the heavy one.

My GUESS -- clerk was not happy with very under-inked first strike, plonked cancel into the pad heavily and whacked it again, slightly off kilter to strike 1.
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Looks like Acacia Plateau is struggling to keep a separate identity. Real estate agents give the address Acacia Plateau Rd., Legume.

Legume is 9kms away & has a hall, a general store & a P.O., but no school. It seems the kids have to travel 57kms down the Mt Lindsay so-called highway (there are certainly school bus route signs along the road) to get to Woodenbong which has a K-12 central school.

Killarney only 15kms away on a much better road has a Year 1-10 school, but it's in Queensland, so I don't know if that's an option.
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I guess it's only natural that schools are so far apart in remote areas, but it's a stark contrast to the U.S., with a current (or former) school every time you turn around.

The Land Ordinance of 1785 established a means of surveying and a protocol for offering public lands for sale, or transfer as a gift to qualifying farmers. The basic unit of land was the Township, generally 6 x 6 miles, and divided into 36 sections, each one mile square (equals 640 acres).

In every case, Section 16 (near the center of the Township) was set aside for education, and by the 1880s, a school had been built in nearly every Township, or the lands sold to fund a schoolhouse in an existing town.

And, umm, NO school bus; Section 16 was no more than about a 4-mile hike from any point in the Township. Older boys were expected to arrive early, bring in some wood, and fire up the stove.

From the air, using GPS, you can see the few remaining 1-room schools, or their limestone foundations (now in some farmer's field), throughout the Midwest and on into the Great Plains.

My grandmother taught in a 1-room school (late 1890s), and my aunt, uncle, and mother were all schoolteachers at some point during their lives. Until World War I, teaching was one of the few "acceptable" careers for women.

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Hello my grandmother ran the post office and telephone exchange out of her farm house on Acacia Plateau until she died in 1970.

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Hi djbb,

can you possibly give any more information about the placing of the farmhouse?



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What a remarkable co-incidence. It's what I love about Stampboards.

If you can tell me the address, or give me any clue, I'll make an effort to go and take a photo. The trouble is so far I've gone there & back in one day which is 8 hours on the road, so I haven't got too much time or energy for side visits.

Last time I took my wife & we were going to stay in Toowoomba overnight, but it was too frigging cold!

But since your post I've had an invitation by email to meet up with another Stampboarder, so next time I definitely will.

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djbb has not returned to the site since making that post. Hopefully he/she will soon make an introductory post and provide some answers regarding 'grandmother'.

In the meantime that information spurred me to do some further research. I found that the Acacia Plateau Bureau of Meteorology recording site from 1954 to 1970 (the time of grandmother's death) was shown as lat. 28.35 long. 152.4333. That puts it in the area but not in a spot which has a road or a homestead. It was also shown as being 1036 m above sea level which puts it right up on the plateau and not down in one of the valleys. The current closest post office is at 395 m.

I note that the site is described as Acacia Plateau (Belmont) and I wonder if the rural property for djbb's grandmother might have been called Belmont? And what was her name. Was she related to (or was she?) the Florence Tyler mentioned in the post by David Benson? There are a number of references to Tyler on Trove.
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I appreciate your response, but I'm still not in a position to find the P.O. without better clues.

Some other comments:-

1. I don't know when the B.O.M. station was established, but it had to be accessible daily if not more often- maybe near the creek(?)

2. 1036m above sea level is nearly on top of the world by Aust. standards. The nearest P.O. is certainly not at 395m. Legume & Killarney are both much higher. I'd be surprised if they were much lower than 1000m.

3. This really is at the top of the Great Divide. What struck me as an ex-Geography teacher is that Acacia Creek is at the absolute top of the Clarence River system- the largest on the East Coast of N.S.W. which flows into the sea east of Grafton.

9kms to the north I encountered the Condamine River, which looks deceptively small at Killarney but it's water eventually flows into the Southern Ocean as part of the Murray.

Lets hope djbb returns, or Manfaelife calls it quits.
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I can't call it quits when so many of you guys are pulling out the stops to locate this PO, more so since djbb added that vital information, there has to be more to come. All this from a wee postmark, amazing.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Onwards, ever onwards!

I thought it might be best if I include one or two references to support the information I supplied. The BOM location, height etc came from http://data.ewn.com.au/station_data_detailed.txtand I saw identical figures from other places as well.

That report certainly shows there are (were?) many recording stations at sites above 1000 m. I also note that there are many locations followed by a name in brackets. Having looked at those I reaffirm my thought that the station was located on a property named Belmont. It seems to have been a post office, telephone exchange and weather station and who knows what else. Not unusual in rural Australia.

My statement about the 'nearest post office' was highly erroneous. :oops: The source was http://weather.mla.com.au/climate-history/nsw/acacia-plateau and it was referring to a weather recording station, not a post office.

I was interested in the comments about the Clarence Valley. Until a couple of days ago I thought that Acacia Plateau was in the catchment of the Richmond River but this is another example of where a short distance over the hills means the water flows in a completely different direction. But that is another story.
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I have just emailed djbb, asking him/her to return to this thread.



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Meanwhile I've been wasteing my time on the internet.

I can report manfaelife your stamp & I think your initial enquiry are now on Google, Acacia Plateau Post Office history.

I did email a joint real estate agents' website, hoping there might be an old time agent who lived in the area. But no $$$$ signs so I don't expect a reply.

Lets hope djbb responds.

I suppose the only other possibility is to go up there & ask around. 1970 is not ancient history. Not trying to pass the buck, but how close are you Andy? :lol:
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Hello All

You will not find the house or post office they went years ago. My grandmother Florence Tyler had a very large farmhouse more or less 2 houses joined together and in the middle was the Post Office which also housed the local switchboard back in the days when the phones had to go through a switchboard. She lived on one side and one of her son's George lived in the other side. I haven't been up there for many years. She had 14 children and from those now 100's of descendants and I do believe there are currently some relations who have moved back to the Plateau as we know it. You will find descendants in Killarney and Warwick and most of the areas around there.

I could probably dig some photos but may take a while. Hopefully I have answered the questions on here and I will introduce my sister to this site she is an avid stamp collector and may have more details.

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Sorry further to that the Condamine River did run behind the house and it was at the top of the Great Dividing Range.

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Thanks for that. I'm sure Manfaelife would love to see some photos.

I'm a bit confused by your reference to the Condamine River. I thought it should have been Acacia Creek- that's where Acacia Plateau Rd is. Do you remember the name of the road?
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I spent quite some time yesterday looking at maps of the area.

Although the farm buildings are gone we do have that reference from BOM and it does seem certain that the PO was ON the plateau, rather than in one of the valleys as most are now. If you draw a circle of 20 km around the house location you will cover the headwaters of three river systems. One, as mobbor previously stated, ends up in the Southern Ocean, thousands of kilometres south. The second flows south before ending up in the Pacific Ocean to the east on the North Coast of NSW. The other one heads towards the Gold Coast in southern Queensland.

I wonder if we will ever locate the exact position of the PO and its relations to the roads and streams? No doubt there will be maps of the Valuer-General but finding them could be a life long task.
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When I'm looking in the country side for something that is no longer there, I use Google earth, find the nearby area and then look for the old gardens and trees that indicate a house used to be there.

They nearly always planted non-native trees and on google earth it leaves a decent "footprint" to go along with the way the land looks.

But I would find it odd that a PO as part of a homestead and perhaps weather research centre, would be isolated, high up along an area not frequented by passersby. How would a PO operate like that?

(I have a DVD mapping software of all NSW and ACT as well. Bought it from Geoscience Australia.)
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I only noticed on my last trip, but there is a sign on the Legume-Killarney-Warwick road that says Acacia Plateau/historic locality.

I figure it had to be on that road or, more likely, Acacia Plateau Rd, which is a right turn in the vicinity that follows up Acacia Creek. Which is why I was thrown by the comment that it backs on to Condamine River: it's several kilometers further on.

Acacia Creek at this point point is not in a deep valley- plateau is a pretty apt description.

I don't disagree with any of Allanswood's comments, though there's probably more than one abandoned farmhouse in the area. I'm not sure Manfaelife wants a photo of where the P.O. used to be.

I think it all rests on djbb.
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mobbor wrote: though there's probably more than one abandoned farmhouse in the area. I'm not sure Manfaelife wants a photo of where the P.O. used to be.

I think it all rests on djbb.
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You will not find the house or post office they went years ago. My grandmother Florence Tyler had a very large farmhouse more or less 2 houses joined together and in the middle was the Post Office....
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Traralgon3844 posted a picture of the nearby the Koreelah Post Office earlier on this thread which also looked like it was not in the main street.

As we know that Florence Tyler was the postmistress, perhaps there is a whiz on old electoral rolls that might be able to come up with an address of some sort?

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I will be surprised if the address is not simply Florence Tyler, Belmont, Acacia Plateau, NSW.
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Here's a representative selection of the electoral roll entries for Florence Ethel TYLER. All the same address, and occupation.

Interesting that none of them give her occupation as "Postmistress", as in the 1932 entry for Alice Tytherleigh, p/m at Woodenbong.

1932 electorate of Richmond, subdivision of Acacia Creek
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1936 electorate of Richmond, subdivision of Acacia Creek
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1958 electorate of New England, subdivision of Bonalbo
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1968 electorate of New England, sub-division of Bonalbo
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I feel there is no doubt the post office was considerably up Acacia Plateau Rd. We went a little up this road, but the weather closed in, as it is wont to do- it certainly snowed there last winter.

The postmaster at Legume, running the general store, said it was before his time, but there was also a school there, and a lot of buildings were removed before it became a heritage area, so we may never know.

If time permits, I'll keep looking, but it's a long drive to Toowoomba. Apologies to jrg who I still haven't had the time to organise a time to meet, but my wife did have time to take this photo at their famous flower festival.-

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We're still here Mike <g>

We went down that way last month on our way south - I enjoy the inland route from Toowoomba to Grafton, but it's not as good since the general store at Grevillea burned down - used to have the best hamburgers this side of anywhere!
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A slightly cooler climate here but I too have not forgotten this thread. Lovely photo of the glories of Toowoomba.
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I was amazed to see this on ebay.

So there was a post office at Acacia Creek as well, and apparently it didn't close til 1964. The Acacia Creek signs are on the 'main' road between Legume and Killarney, more or less where Acacia Plateau Rd joins it probably less than 5kms from Legume. Today there's nothing there, just the odd scattered farmhouse.

The starting price for the stamp is $70, so apparently the seller thinks it's rare.
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Another happy 'never-ending story'. :)
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nsw Acacia Creek PO 16/1/1880; TO 1/10/1959; closed 30/12/1964.
nsw Acacia Plateau TO 23/7/1923; PO 2/11/1936; closed 19/5/1970.

Don't know if its nearby but there was also:

nsw Lower Acacia Creek RO 20/6/1910; PO 1/9/1911; TO 1/12/1971; closed 14/11/1974.
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Of course, there would have to be a Lower Acacia Creek. :lol:

It's maybe 15 kms south west of Legume, close to, but not on the Mt. Lindsay Highway. Because the N.S.W.- Qld border turns south, it's also virtually on the border.

Google is at its most bizarre, apart from the map, with 'Dentists in or close to Lower Acacia Creek', all in Warwick, at least an hour away, etc. and real estate ads.

It's not in the never-never, but this area is pretty isolated, and being on the border doesn't help. I was speaking to the ex-member of Page, who told me she was for ever bedevilled with cross-border issues. For example, someone dies: the only practical place to organise a death certificate is Warwick, but are Qld death certificates acceptable in N.S.W?
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My grandfather, after retiring as a school teacher, ran the rural post office of Allandale, NSW from a room in the farm house, in the late 50s / early 60s.

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Only the building in the rainbow was there at the time.
I think you'd have to be a pretty good deteective to know the post office was there.
By the way I've no idea if the postmark is rare or not. Does any one?

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Lower Acacia Creek is reasonably scarce, at least in the early decimal period.

This registered cover sold for $80 back in 2011 at PPA.

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Another entry for a Torsten Weller sale:

ACACIA CREEEK / N.S.W 1934 cds (type 2(vi), four digit year) on KGV 2d red on piece, reduced to TO 1959, closed 1964 Est $10
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This Acacia Plateau registered cover (to the same person as that above) sold for $32 in 2009.

I would suggest that these were created by a postmark collector.

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Hi all

My first post here, and I know the thread is a little old, but the thread caught my attention because I live in Lower Acacia Creek right next to the plateau. Can I help at all? I own the old cafe and petrol and my friend owns the post office of Lower Acacia Creek. I am currentLy writing a book on the area as well. To celebrate 20 years here.

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amethystgerry wrote:Hi all

My first post here, and I know the thread is a little old, but the thread caught my attention because I live in Lower Acacia Creek right next to the plateau. Can I help at all? I own the old cafe and petrol and my friend owns the post office of Lower Acacia Creek. I am currentLy writing a book on the area as well. To celebrate 20 years here.

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Tit bits from history...

To me it's history reads as timber country (there was a large mill that closed and was sold into Qld) then now that the country had opened up, it was viewed as prime dairy and many farms opened along the plateau.


Northern Star 28 Mar 1924 Acacia Plateau
Northern Star 28 Mar 1924 Acacia Plateau
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Northern Star 28 Mar 1924 Acacia Plateau
Northern Star 28 Mar 1924 Acacia Plateau
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Northern Star 28 Mar 1924 Acacia Plateau
Northern Star 28 Mar 1924 Acacia Plateau
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Wise's NSWS Post Office Directory 1932
Wise's NSWS Post Office Directory 1932
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Warwick Daily News 22 Aug 1947
Warwick Daily News 22 Aug 1947
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Warwick Daily News 14 Sept 1944
Warwick Daily News 14 Sept 1944
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Wariwck Daily News 22 Nov 1954
Wariwck Daily News 22 Nov 1954
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Acacia Plateau WWII Honour Roll
Acacia Plateau WWII Honour Roll


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