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A good friend regularly sends me great information on stamps from Tibet that he has seen in auctions or been offered elsewhere.

Whilst I do not collect Tibet. I'm sure others will greatly appreciate the information.
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The work "Tibet, Classic Forgeries of the 1914 Definitive stamp issue, How to detect them and sort them into the various sets" is now coming close to completion.

The three parts deal with the 1912, 1914 and 1933 issues forgeries.

Later probably also a forth part dealing with ”oddities” including the very modern forgeries which should not be dangerous at all, crude designed as they are.

However, the first part ”1914" is now available for free downloads at


http://www.fuchs-online.com/tibet/


For those of you who visit Rainer´s Tibet pages for the first time you will find there is a lot of exiting things to read and check about.

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Nice detailed website, I’ll bookmark it. Thanks for sharing.

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Tibet

Classic Forgeries of the 1933 Definitive stamp issues


My work "Tibet, Classic Forgeries of the 1933 Definitive stamp issue. How to detect them and sort them into the various sets"
is now available for downloading.

Now parts dealing with 1914 and 1933 issues forgeries are available.

The part dealing with the 1912 issue will soon be available. A part dealing with oddities between classic and modern forgeries
is next and the final part. The very modern forgeries which should not be dangerous at all, crude designed as they are, will be
shown with some examples. These are numerous so it would not be practical to deal with them all.

http://www.fuchs-online.com/tibet/

http://www.fuchs-online.com/tibet/Files/1933_Tibet_forgeries.pdf

For those of you who visit Rainer´s Tibet pages for the first time you will find there is a lot of exiting things to read and check about.

Bo Olsson
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Very tricky field these early Tibet stamps .. thanks for updating the links to the updates on the new fakes etc Tony. :mrgreen:

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Just to let you know that I am the owner of the Tibet website and i am also member on the Forum here and i work closely with Bo...
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22028 wrote:Just to let you know that I am the owner of the Tibet website and i am also member on the Forum here and i work closely with Bo...
An excellent site.
Well done.

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I have just received the following:

Dear recipients of this warning mail,

A manipulated combicover from Tibet is on sale just now on eBay.

The Tibetan stamp has been added at a later date.

The cover is from the British Indian time. Sent from the British P.O. in Gyantse, Tibet to Nepal.

But the Tibetan stamp is from a printing done circa 1953!

So this combination is only possible if you use a time machine.

The forged postmark I do not think I have seen before, but could eventual be Hellrigl F162.

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Part 4 of the forgery guide has also been uploaded..

http://fuchs-online.com/tibet/

http://fuchs-online.com/tibet/Files/Tibet_Forgeries-Some_odd.pdf

I also added a forgery section (Under constrcution) on my Tibet side mentioned above.
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Are these Tibet stamps genuine?

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Ahoj everyone!

Could anyone tell me whether these Tibet stamps are forgeries please?

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Preview shows the pictures to be smaller than I expected. Don't understand why, but I will post them anyway until I understand where I went wrong. The pictures have been enlarged when upgraded from photobucket to img.

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Check out this resource:

http://www.fuchs-online.com/tibet/

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Thank you ClassicalStamps.

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Honza ---Your scans are too small to be sure ,but they look like they are from the 4th set of "classic" forgeries. There are 6 different series of this stamp printed and they are recorded {1 thru 7,but no 6 series in the literature}.Better and larger scans would help.

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Ahoj worldspecialist!

Thank you for your helpful reply.

I am sorry about the small scans. Following Margoz' excellent tutorial I was able to post scans of a good size for the past couple of years. Now suddenly some of my scans appear small without my consciously having changed anything. I am not very computer literate, so don't know whether the fault is in my scanning, the uploading to photobucket or the transfer over into Stampboards. I will keep trying and will upload decent-sized images when I can.

Thanks again,

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I should have added your green 1/6tr. is a type B of the 4th set .

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Ahoj again worldspecialist!

Thank you for the additional information.

I use ArcSoft PhotoStudio and I used 'flexible' size because that allowed me to crop the images before scanning.

When I put in 600, 800 or 1000 pixels, I cannot crop just to the size of the stamp. However I have tried to upload the three stamps again with the extra area, one at 600, one at 800 & one at 1000 and they are bigger but there seems to be no difference in clarity between them.

While they are not ideal, I will post them as being larger and ask if they are sufficient.

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Greetings,

long time that I have been here... too busy.

One of the tasks that kept me busy was the rearrangement of my Tibet Collection which has now been shown last weekend at the German/British Bilateral Exhibition (Rank 1, National Level) in Gotha Germany where my collection has been awarded a Large Gold Medal (90 Points).

I will now translate the pages into English and have applied for New York 2016

http://www.fuchs-online.com/tibetsammlung/Index.htm
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Congratulations to your Large Gold medal. Great work. :D

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22028 wrote:Greetings,
....... in Gotha Germany where my collection has been awarded a Large Gold Medal (90 Points).
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With the help of Bo Olsson, I am publishing a comprehensive resource to educate collectors of Tibet.

There are 60+ images from the 1912 series discussed in this thread alone: Genuine sheets, 9 different set of forgeries + the crude modern eBay junk.

Check it out: http://stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps-of-tibet/

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Are these Tibet local stamps from 1914 genuine?

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These local stamps was issued by Tibet at 1914.

I want to know about the following:

1、Are these stamps fake ?
2、These stamps was printed on these paper ?
3、The local stamps issued by Tibet had many fakes ? How can I collect the original? Are there any references about these can be studied ?
4、How much are these stamps?

Can anyone tell me the detail?

Thanks a lot.
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Simple answer, NO, not genuine

See here... http://www.fuchs-online.com/tibet/Forgeries/Forgeries_1914.htm
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If you want to learn more about this, here is a page showing the genuine and 3 different forgeries:

http://stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps-of-tibet-1914-4tr/

(and if you want to learn about Tibet stamps, there are pages for many other stamps at the URL above)

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Very useful info guys. :)
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22028 wrote:Simple answer, NO, not genuine

See here... http://www.fuchs-online.com/tibet/Forgeries/Forgeries_1914.htm
Thanks,mine is fake

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ClassicalStamps wrote:If you want to learn more about this, here is a page showing the genuine and 3 different forgeries:

http://stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps-of-tibet-1914-4tr/

(and if you want to learn about Tibet stamps, there are pages for many other stamps at the URL above)
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Rays in the corner pointing out instead of in, that's a fast way to ID fakes...and a pretty lazy/dumb error on the part of the faker.
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Actually the fake 4 Tr. issue 1914 as discussed here are not a real 4 tr forgeries but a 8 Tr. stamp of the same issue printed in blue colours!
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c.1950s

I think the 8Tr stamp itself is a forgery.

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The stamp and postmark are fake. And, the fake stamp is a 4 Tr. green, not a 8 Tr. stamp, issue 1933....
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1933 4Tr??? :shock: :shock:

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Joy,

the stamps in that design were issued from 1933-1959, hence they are called the 1933 issue.
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Rainer, I repeat.
1933 4Tr??? :shock: :shock:

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Joy,

sorry, i am lost. but "Tr" stands for Trangka or Tangka as the tibetan currency is called.
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Rainer, you got the cover wrong.

The 8Trangka stamp belongs to goof's cover.

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Joy, thanks... if the question is clear the answer is it as well...
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I've had this cover sitting on my desk for a while, Tibet is well outside my area of knowledge? Any opinions? :D

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That cover is genuine..., it was used to send Christmas cards from Mr. Gould, an employee at the British Residency. Of course, philatelic and grossly overfanked, but, genuine.
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it was used to send Christmas cards from Mr. Gould
Wow, what a spectacular way to send out your Christmas cards!

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Are any of these genuine?

Any help much appreciated.


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These all appear to be 2t which isn't listed by SG in green - fakes?

Two of these, as well as the red and blue ones above, have the lower right unit inverted.


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My gut feeling is they're all forgeries?

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pertinax wrote:My gut feeling is they're all forgeries?

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Correct, all are fake!
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pertinax wrote:My gut feeling is they're all forgeries?

Scott
Correct, all are fake!

Many thanks.

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We were in Tibet all last week, and oddly did not see any older Tibet stamps offered in markets or tourist shops etc. Seems like nothing much has been produced in recent times?
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Ahoj again!

I don't want it to seem that I am trying to flog a dead horse, but I want to dispose of these and describe them accurately. Are they DEFINITE forgeries or PROBABLE forgeries? I am sorry my original scans were too small to aid confident identification.
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I have looked at the links given to help, but I am still confused. The 12 images in the sheet of genuine stamps all seem different in the shape of the lettering, the bushiness and angle of the tail and whether the lion's feet touch the inner circle.

To those who have numerous examples and have studied these issues at length my limitations probably seem incomprehensible, but if someone knowledgeable can say DEFINITELY or PROBABLY fake, I should be very grateful.

Thank you,

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I received these with a lot. As I don't collect Tibet, maybe someone can confirm whether these are forgeries?

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They look very similar to the other Tibet stamp Forgeries shown above. :!:
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Global Administrator wrote:They look very similar to the other Tibet stamp Forgeries shown above. :!:
Yes indeed.

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I have just opened Rainer's Tibet Pages (thank you!) and hope to be able to discern from that whether these are forgeries or the real thing; and, of course, the question remains that, if they are forgeries, why would I keep them?

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Any thoughts? These posts are old. Is anyone still doing Tibet stamps?

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