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Does the Spink - Maury 2018 (or 2019) "Timbres de France" include French colonies, please?

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vnmission wrote:Does the Spink - Maury 2018 (or 2019) "Timbres de France" include French colonies, please?
No it only includes France. I don't know when Maury plans to publish new catalogues for the colonies.

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Thank you, mads1983. When was Maury's last update on the colonies, please?

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Hi Vnmission,

The last African Colonies was in 2014-2015
The last Asian and European possessions and colonies was in 2012.

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Ceres wrote:Hi Vnmission,

The last African Colonies was in 2014-2015
The last Asian and European possessions and colonies was in 2012.

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As Ceres writes, some of the catalogues are pretty "old". Anyone know if there is plans for new colonies catalogues from Maury? Or do we have to go Yvert & Tellier if we want updated catalogues?

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Hi,

No idea either, when the next one is coming.

Hopefully soon. But my guess would be for September 2019.

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Ceres wrote:Hi,

No idea either, when the next one is coming.

Hopefully soon. But my guess would be for September 2019.

Cheers
Now that we are aleready talking about catalogue. Which catalogues do you use for New Hebrides and Afars & Issas? They are not a part of the Maury catalogue.

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Hi,

That is true, for the Afars and Issas, it is in the Yvert "Timbre d'Afrique Francophone Volume 1"

For the New Hebrides you will find them in Yvert "Timbres d'Asie Francophone"

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Thank you very much, Ceres. The Colonies Generales are in which Maury catalogue, please? Where such cats can be bought? I have searched ebay and delcampe, but found none.

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Hi,

You will find Colonies Générales in the Europe et Asie catalogue.

You could try Amazon.fr, maybe Ebay.fr

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The following is a postcard sent from New Caledonia to Italy, endorsed via Sydney.

Sent 27-09-1937, franked with 90c adhesive, sent to a Doctor in Rome.

Was it common practice for New Caledonian mails to be sent via Sydney in the early WWII period around 1937?
Can anyone translate the message for me?

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Thanks for any help with regards this postcard.

Cheers.
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How stamps are priced on online shops? I have no idea why some of them can be so pricey? If you check Yvert or Scott, the prices seem irrelevant.

For example, this one on ebay:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eb ... 3268662650

My Yvert says 0.90 euros, my Scott 0.90 dollars. The town name is fairly popular it can hardly get a premium. So why? Hope Gugusg can help.

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vnmission wrote:How stamps are priced on online shops? I have no idea why some of them can be so pricey? If you check Yvert or Scott, the prices seem irrelevant.

For example, this one on ebay:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eb ... 3268662650

My Yvert says 0.90 euros, my Scott 0.90 dollars. The town name is fairly popular it can hardly get a premium. So why? Hope Gugusg can help.
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You don't have to buy this one. You can seek a more reasonable vendor who will sell it on eBay for $0.25. My guess is that you will wait a looooooong time for it.

Neither Maury nor Yvert & Tellier quote this stamp as having been used in Indochina. Nevertheless, they were used.

Compare the asking price with the ones asked for on Delcampe, the true on-line market for such and you will find it is quite in line with the market.

The valuations you quote are for stamps used anywhere in the French Colonies. These are plentiful. Used in Cholon? Certainly not plentiful, maybe even quite rare, I don't know, but if I were collecting that I certainly would be considering the purchase.

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memphre wrote:
vnmission wrote:How stamps are priced on online shops? I have no idea why some of them can be so pricey? If you check Yvert or Scott, the prices seem irrelevant.

For example, this one on ebay:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eb ... 3268662650

My Yvert says 0.90 euros, my Scott 0.90 dollars. The town name is fairly popular it can hardly get a premium. So why? Hope Gugusg can help.
Hi

You don't have to buy this one. You can seek a more reasonable vendor who will sell it on eBay for $0.25. My guess is that you will wait a looooooong time for it.

Neither Maury nor Yvert & Tellier quote this stamp as having been used in Indochina. Nevertheless, they were used.

Compare the asking price with the ones asked for on Delcampe, the true on-line market for such and you will find it is quite in line with the market.

The valuations you quote are for stamps used anywhere in the French Colonies. These are plentiful. Used in Cholon? Certainly not plentiful, maybe even quite rare, I don't know, but if I were collecting that I certainly would be considering the purchase.

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Very true memphre. Cholon was far from the biggest post office in that region, which is why the sale price is the way it is.

For some reason Maury dosen't price these editions, but comparing it to Delcampe is good advice.

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Postmarks on general colonies = no catalog. Maury & Yvert are trying, but they are far from the market. Sometimes it is more pricey than reality, sometimes I can buy 2 times their valuation since it simply does not exist on the market :)

For this one, yes Cholon is not a very large town in Cochinchina (you find easily Saigon).
The postmark is clear, nice strike.

I could probably sell it between 7 and 15€, depend on my mood :mrgreen:

I have for habits to sell it by range : 1-5€ : very common. 5-15€ : not so common, but still available on market, depend on strike etc. 15-30€ : pretty rare Over 30€ : very rare

I can buy sometimes some stamps valued at 10cts for more than 150€ because the postmark is very very rare. I have seens thousands (if not dozen of thousands) of that kind of stamps and I am still missing some postmarks :mrgreen:
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Browny wrote:The following is a postcard sent from New Caledonia to Italy, endorsed via Sydney.

Sent 27-09-1937, franked with 90c adhesive, sent to a Doctor in Rome.

Was it common practice for New Caledonian mails to be sent via Sydney in the early WWII period around 1937?
Can anyone translate the message for me?

Thanks for any help with regards this postcard.

Cheers.
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It is not in french nor in Italia it seems, sorry I can not help for translate :)
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gugusg wrote:Postmarks on general colonies = no catalog. Maury & Yvert are trying, but they are far from the market. Sometimes it is more pricey than reality, sometimes I can buy 2 times their valuation since it simply does not exist on the market :)

For this one, yes Cholon is not a very large town in Cochinchina (you find easily Saigon).
The postmark is clear, nice strike.

I could probably sell it between 7 and 15€, depend on my mood :mrgreen:

I have for habits to sell it by range : 1-5€ : very common. 5-15€ : not so common, but still available on market, depend on strike etc. 15-30€ : pretty rare Over 30€ : very rare

I can buy sometimes some stamps valued at 10cts for more than 150€ because the postmark is very very rare. I have seens thousands (if not dozen of thousands) of that kind of stamps and I am still missing some postmarks :mrgreen:
Thank you very much, Gugusg!
However, Cholon is Saigon. The city was for a long time called "Saigon-Cholon."
You can find Cholon cancels, for example on many Cochinchine stamps. Ron Bentley, for one, has compiled some of them (http://www.sicp-online.org/exhibits/index.htm).

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vnmission wrote:
gugusg wrote:Postmarks on general colonies = no catalog. Maury & Yvert are trying, but they are far from the market. Sometimes it is more pricey than reality, sometimes I can buy 2 times their valuation since it simply does not exist on the market :)

For this one, yes Cholon is not a very large town in Cochinchina (you find easily Saigon).
The postmark is clear, nice strike.

I could probably sell it between 7 and 15€, depend on my mood :mrgreen:

I have for habits to sell it by range : 1-5€ : very common. 5-15€ : not so common, but still available on market, depend on strike etc. 15-30€ : pretty rare Over 30€ : very rare

I can buy sometimes some stamps valued at 10cts for more than 150€ because the postmark is very very rare. I have seens thousands (if not dozen of thousands) of that kind of stamps and I am still missing some postmarks :mrgreen:
Thank you very much, Gugusg!
However, Cholon is Saigon. The city was for a long time called "Saigon-Cholon."
You can find Cholon cancels, for example on many Cochinchine stamps. Ron Bentley, for one, has compiled some of them (http://www.sicp-online.org/exhibits/index.htm).
Maybe it's more correct to say that Cholon was not a large postoffice. Cochinchine is not really my area, but there is plenty of examples of small postoffices near larger towns.

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It seems Cholon (cholen on firsts postmarks) was included in Saigon only in 1931.

Theses postmarks are not easy to find but still findable ;-)

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholon
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Hi,

I purchased these French Empire 20c stamps at the local flea market.

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I have no idea how to catalog them. Most of the stamps have pencil notations on the back. For example:

Stamp #1:

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Stamp #2:

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Stamp #3:

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I have the Maury catalog but it is too complicated for me. I have large scans of all the stamps.

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Hi Carmel,

Some have nice margins.

The Repub Franc second stamp on the last row of the second card is interesting. But we need a good scan to have a better idea.
It is the only republican stamp in your selection and was issued in 1852.

The other ones are all from the French Empire, issued after the Republic, in 1854 for the non-perforated ones, and 1867 for the perforated ones.

There are different types among your selection, but we really need better scans.

Furthermore some stamps are in a bad shape and, really, are not worth anything.

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Hi Ceres,

Looks like the stamps will have to cleaned.

Here are some more close ups:

Stamp #4:

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Stamp #5:

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What does the "CP2O" mean?

Stamp #6:

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The republic stamp is damaged:

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Hi Carmel,

Your last post shows 4 stamps:

1st got thins at the bottom and is type I and is worth nothing

2nd is of type I too but is touched in upper left side, worth nothing
CP 2º not CP20 is a postal train cancellation

3rd is nice and of type I too, and is worth few Euros

4th is the republican stamp and the most interesting one, but, it is unfortunately damaged. Worth nothing really

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Hi Ceres,

Thanks.

Here are four more stamps:

Stamp #7:

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Stamp #8:

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What does the 1500 mean?

Stamp #9:

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Looks like an upside down 2663.

Stamp #10:

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Perhaps 2858?

Is there anything interesting in stamps #1-3?

I have just received a brand new copy of the Maury, Ceres & Dally Catalogue Timberes Des DOM-TOM in the mail. Am amazing resource (and I don't speak French). Sadly, the postage cost as much as the book ...

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Hi there,

1500 is a cancellation for the town of Fervaques in Calvados.

This type of cancellation was used towards the end of 1862 to about 1876.
It's called Gros Chiffre (big numbers), as opposed to Petit Chiffre (small numbers) used previously.

Used in every offices in France, in some colonies, and in some overseas offices.

I think the Maury catalogue will tell you more about it.

When it come to the quality of the stamps you have scanned, I'm sorry to say that they were cut too close to the printed edge, and are not worth anything....

The more space you have the better when it comes to non-perforated stamps.

If it is 2663 it's for the town of Nocé in Ornes.

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Ceres wrote:1500 is a cancellation for the town of Fervaques in Calvados.

This type of cancellation was used towards the end of 1862 to about 1876.
It's called Gros Chiffre (big numbers), as opposed to Petit Chiffre (small numbers) used previously
Your last paragraph is quite accurate, however what is shown here are lozenges with small numbers (or figures), which is normal before 1863 (actually 1852-1862).

So 1500-small is Hazebrouck in the North département.

Bruno

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Bonjour, Hi,

Mais oui bien sur!!!! But yes of course!!!!

The same goes for the other one..... If it is 2663 it is for Ribeauvillé in Haut-Rhin

Big mistake on my part. Thank you for correcting the obvious.

:) :) :) :) :)

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Ceres, I knew you knew !

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Hi,

I assume that there is a listing matching the different numbers in the cancels with the post offices. Where can I find it?

Here are four more closeups:

Stamp #11:

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Looks like 3103.

Stamp #12:

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Looks like 2777.

Stamp #13:

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Can't make out the number, perhaps a train cancel?

Stamp #14:

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3162 or 8162?

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Hi,

For pc or gc (small or large figures) lozenges online you may try :

http://pcgc.e-timbres.net/

I guess prices are given in euros for detached stamps.

The lozenge PBT is the train post office Paris to Brest.

Bruno

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Hi,

Thanks for the address for the site. I checked it out.

This is going to be a project as I do not speak French.

Anything interesting on the stamps I've posted?

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Ahoj there!

Could anyone please identify the postmark on this French Colonies stamp please?
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honza wrote:Ahoj there!

Could anyone please identify the postmark on this French Colonies stamp please?
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I see "Martinique" across the top. As for the town, ...NT-P... indicates Saint-Pierre, the largest city on the island until a volcanic eruption destroyed it in 1902.

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Thank you Greaden - much obliged.

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I confirm Saint Pierre Martinique, upside down :)
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Thank you gugusg.

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Hi,

Here are four more stamps:

Stamp #15:

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Stamp #16:

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Stamp #17:

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Stamp #18:

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A nice Martinique stamp, but is it a real one or fake? The gum looks really nice for such an old stamp.

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Not real, it is a fake called "fournier" :cry:
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Well that was expected, can you tell me how you can see that?
gugusg wrote:Not real, it is a fake called "fournier" :cry:

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To identify a forgery from Fournier's workshop of the Groupe Type/Navigation and Commerce stamps, I look for indistinct fingers on the hand of the woman where she holds the staff, absence of a belly button on the man, and lack of a boundary between the lowest fruit in the cornucopia and the rim.

On the genuine stamp, the fingers, the belly button, and the fruit are all clearly distinct.

Also, on genuine stamps, the perforations are 14 x 13.5. On the forgeries, they are 13.5x14.

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Thanks for the detailed info.

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Color and perfs (especially in corners) are easy to spot

But also details are less beautiful than in the real ;-)
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I found this signature on a copy of Yvert&Tellier #1a. Does anyone know to whom the signature belongs?
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Re: France and French Colonies stamps - Discussion Thread

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dchris wrote:I found this signature on a copy of Yvert&Tellier #1a. Does anyone know to whom the signature belongs?
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Try to post a larger scan.

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Can somebody give me the Stampboards link to posting pictures from Imgur? I found it once, obviously posted a too small picture and have not been able to find that link a second time.

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When you transfer your image from your pictures file TO Imgur make sure it is the 800x600 size.

From Imgur TO Stampboards click on the image in your Imgur file, then click the bar under BBCode and click on copy.
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Re: France and French Colonies stamps - Discussion Thread

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The discription seems to be misleading:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eb ... 2425658397

Can someone help identify this item please? Thank you.

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Re: France and French Colonies stamps - Discussion Thread

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Hi

What problem do you see with the description?

To me it seems 100% accurate. I even agree with the word «Superbe». I'd say this is by far the best copy I ever saw of this stamp.

Note: You are supposed to post an image of the eBay lot, not just a link that will disappear in a short while.

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