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My primary interest in philately are Olympic games and everything related to it. So I'm trying to "decipher" designs of sports stamps in search of real Olympians on them.

It's not a surprise that many stamps of this kind are based on photographs which does not make it easier sometimes to find who is depicted.

If nobody minds I will be posting here stamps for "investigation". Others are welcomed, too :wink: I hope that our common knowledge will help to find right answers :D

I will start with this set from Ireland. I'm especially interested in the dressage and show jumping stamps, naturally, as these are Olympic events.

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Another puzzle comes with the Portuguese set commemorating the 2008 European championship in judo

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The Irish stamps were issued in 1998 and are featured in a bulletin issued by Irish Post Office #2 of 1998.
No reference is made to any specific riders. As far as I know the only Dressage rider to compete for Ireland at Olympic level was Anna Merveldt-Steffens and I think she has competed at two Olympics but I dont think in the 1990s.

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FitzjamesHorse, thanks for your reply :D
The problem is that there's no strict relation between the "prototype" in the stamp and the emittent country and the years of emission :( Designers often take pictures from the network and use them changing some petty details. And it takes time then to find that picture

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Ireland had a tradition of not showing living people on stamps. This is not the case now.Olympic stamps are strange because the designers try and disguise the athletes.

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Another riddle, this time from Latvia. The stamp commemorates 125th anniversary of cycling in this country and is obviously designed after a photograph. But who was the model?

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vicaf60 wrote:The problem is that there's no strict relation between the "prototype" in the stamp and the emittent country and the years of emission :(
Here's a proof from another thread (many thanks to Eli)

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The sportswoman in the stamp is Florence Griffin Joyner running 200 m in Seoul in 1988.

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To more stamps, this time from Norway. The issue from 2011 to commemorate the world championship in skiing.
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Any guess as to the skiers depicted?

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An example of successful deciphering stamp designs: Nicaraguan souvenir sheet to commemorate the 1988 Calgary Winter Olympics. It shows an episode from the game between the USSR and Canada teams (the Soviets won 4:0). The hockey players present at the s/s - Vladimir Kovin (No. 30, the real number was 31, it's seen on his sleeve) and Alexander Skvortsov (No. 26), the Canadian goalkeeper is Mario Gosselin, No. 33. I only need to find out who was No. 16 in the Canadian team then :)

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vicaf60,

I think Merlin Malinowski was No. 16 on the 1988 team.
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Thanks a lot, AMark :D

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Still, it's Kevin Dineen, Merlin Malinowski was playing at the 1988 Winter Olympics :D

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Yes, Dineen and Gosselin were part of the 1984 Olympic team.
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vicaf60 wrote:To more stamps, this time from Norway. The issue from 2011 to commemorate the world championship in skiing.
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The two cross-country skiers are Marit Bjørgen with Kristin Størmer Steira.

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The ski jumper is Bjørn Einar Romøren.
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Perfect :D I hope, two more enigmas solved, and 3 more Olympians to be added to my collection :D
Thank you, AMark. Yet, are you sure about the skiers? Obviously, the right is Norwegian (traditional colours of the Norwegian ski team - red suit with blue angles on the knees). But the left skier has a different suit - red with white stripes. They must be from different teams :(

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vicaf60 wrote:The hockey players present at the s/s - Vladimir Kovin (No. 30, the real number was 31, it's seen on his sleeve) and Alexander Skvortsov (No. 26), the Canadian goalkeeper is Mario Gosselin, No. 33. I only need to find out who was No. 16 in the Canadian team then :)
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Here's something of mine with the autograph of Alexander Skvortsov along with other members of the 1983 World Championship winning USSR Team.

They beat Canada (again) in the final of that one by 8-2. :shock:

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They state that this Soviet 10 kopeck stamp for the Lake Placid Winter Olympics depicts the Soviet famous hockey player Alexander Maltsev whose permanent number in the USSR team was 10.

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vicaf60 wrote:Yet, are you sure about the skiers? Obviously, the right is Norwegian (traditional colours of the Norwegian ski team - red suit with blue angles on the knees). But the left skier has a different suit - red with white stripes. They must be from different teams :(
Norway Post lists the subjects, of that issue, as Marit Bjørgen and Kristin Størmer Steira (cross-country skiers) and Bjørn Einar Romøren (ski jumper). Did they get it wrong?

http://www.posten.no/en/products-and-services/stamps-and-col ... -oslo-2011

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Thanks for a hint :D I googled it again and found a photo (not the same but close to it) to prove the Post was right. Strange though it be the 3 Norwegian team members had different suits - Stoermer Steira the one with blue angles and Bjoergen and Johaug with white stripes. So the skiers in the stamp are Margit Bjoergen (No.1) and Kristin Stoermer Steira (No.3) :D - see the photo

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Some more stamps to recognise sportsmen depicted - this time from the mini sheet issued in 2011 to commemorate 100 years of sports in Japan.
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Stamp 1
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The man to the right is Kanō Jigorō, the father of judo, the 1st President of the Japanese National Olympic Committee and the first Asian IOC member. However, who is the second man?

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It obviously presents Yukio Endo, 3 times Olympic champion in gymnastics in Tokyo in 1964, and Yoshinobu Miyake who won the gold medal in weightlifting. Who are the others?
Stamp 3 presents the Japanese delegation at the 1912 Olympic Games in Stockholm. The flag bearer is Mishima Yahiko, sprinter, the man beside him is probably the other Japanese Olympian at those Games, marathon runner Shizo Kanakuri. Yet, who are the four officials coming behind them? I suppose that the man to the left (the one waiving his hat) is Kanō Jigorō who was the official representative of Japan at the Olympiad. And the rest?
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Continued

Stamp 5

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Who are the sportsmen depicted?
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Stamp 7

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What sport is it? Sumo? And who is the sportsman?
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Stamp 10

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The swimmer is Kosuke Kitajima, 2 times Olympic champion in breaststroke in Beijing, but who are the other two?

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vicaf60 wrote:Stamp 1
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The man to the right is Kanō Jigorō, the father of judo, the 1st President of the Japanese National Olympic Committee and the first Asian IOC member. However, who is the second man?
Nobody is eager to answer, so, I'll have to do it myself :)
The second man in the stamp is Seiichi Kishi, the second in turn President of the Japanese National Olympic Committee.

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vicaf60 wrote:Continued

Stamp 5

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Who are the sportsmen depicted?
The man on the horse is Colonel Baron Takeichi Nishi, 1932 Olympic Champion in show jumping

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vicaf60 wrote:Stamp 10

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The swimmer is Kosuke Kitajima, 2 times Olympic champion in breaststroke in Beijing, but who are the other two?
Saori Yoshida, 2008 Olympic champion in weightlifting is at the top, to the right, and the other is Eri Yamada, Beijing gold medalist in the Japanese softball team.

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vicaf60 wrote:Stamp 7

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What sport is it? Sumo? And who is the sportsman?
I was wrong to suppose it was sumo. It's Hironoshin Furuhashi, Japanese famous swimmer who set world records in the 400 and 1,500 meter freestyles.

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vicaf60 wrote:Stamp 2
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It obviously presents Yukio Endo, 3 times Olympic champion in gymnastics in Tokyo in 1964, and Yoshinobu Miyake who won the gold medal in weightlifting. Who are the others?
They are players of the Japanese woman's volleyball team who won gold medals in Tokyo. No. 3 is Kinuko Tanida, and No. 4 is Yuriko Handa

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Another set that makes me ask the same question - are these stamps photograph based or artist designed - comes from Austria. In 1936 this country hosted FIS championship and issued a set of 4 stamps. Three of them depict Alpine skiers. Has anybody a more detailed information?

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Two more stamps I would be eager to know more about - the Iraq's 1977 set for the Asian Championship in Weightlifting. Do they depict real sportsmen? Who are these, then?

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Possibly, this one would be easier - Andorra 1993 issue for Tour de France. Is the cyclist in the stamp a real sportsman or just the artist's design? Does anybody know?

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Next mystery - who are the footballers in this Bolivian souvenir sheet?

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Hope this time I'll have more luck :) as there are Australian collectors here in the Forum, and at least some of them may be soccer fans :D
I need to know if these football players (see the list below) are present in the tabs of these stamp sheets that commemorate the Sydney Olympic and Sydney United soccer teams (their 2001 squads). The footballers in the list played for either of the 2 clubs in the mean period and might be included on the sheets.
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Ante Tomislav Moric – Sydney United (1998/2000) and Sydney Olympic (2000/2001)
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vicaf60 wrote:
Here's a proof from another thread (many thanks to Eli)

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The sportswoman in the stamp is Florence Griffin Joyner running 200 m in Seoul in 1988.
Vica, the same design of Florence Griffin Joyner running 200 m in Seoul in 1988 is depicted on a stamp issued by Cambodia in 1991 to publicize the Barcelona '92 Olympic Games (Scott 1139). Eli

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Thanks, Eli, I know. This design is rather popular, the same as Wilma Rudolph's running in Rome. You can find it on many issues, see this Albanian souvenir sheet, for example.

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Two more stamps I need help with, this time from Belgium, issued in 2001.

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vicaf60 wrote:Next mystery - who are the footballers in this Bolivian souvenir sheet?

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I think the Bolivian is Marco Etcheverry
The Brazilian #6 is Leonardo; the other Brazilian is Márcio Santos

If you can provide a large hi-res scan of the stamp I can check that too; from the kit worn it looks like a domestic league match.
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Thank you very much for your help, TheRoyalCounty :D
Unfortunately, I can't provide a better scan - the picture was taken from the network, I don't have this souvenir sheet, and I suppose I don't need it now - non of the footballers played at the Olympic tournaments :(

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Many thanks to Justin for posting Australia SES, SSS & P-Stamp sheets (https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=26330&start=600). And here comes my question - can any one point out Australian champion soccerers Timothy Filiga Cahill, Mark Daniel Milligan, Matthew Thomas Spiranovic, James Troisi, 2008), Eugen-Josip Galekovic and Mark Bresciano in this sheet? As far as I can understand, Mark Bresciano is the last but one at the right, the bold one. And the rest?

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Tim Cahill is fourth from the right - underneath the "S" of "Asia"

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Thanks, Dorian :D
can anybody help to find the others? :)

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Well, nobody can help, eh?

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Come on, guys :D I can't believe that no one of numerous people from Australia here in the forum can recognise your native footballers :)

Meanwhile one more issue I need help with - this time from Hungary, 2002 mini sheet "Bicycle History". The second stamp presents Iszer Károly, one of cycling pioneers in Hungary who was a member of the Hungarian Olympic Committee since 1904, the third one shows the president of the Budapest Sports Club but I failed to find his name. An I would be grateful for any information on the tandem stamp :D

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One more issue I need your help with, this time Canadian m/s from 2013 with NHL players. Are these real people or just generalized designs in the clubs' colours?
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vicaf60,

The 2013, NHL Team Jerseys issue commemorates Canadian NHL franchises. The players depicted on the stamps are not real.
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Thank you so much, AMark
it means one issue excluded from my search list for Canada :D

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vicaf60,

Just an aside about the 2013, NHL Team Jerseys issue. The players depicted on the stamps wear current team jerseys. The fan (to the left or the right of the player) wears a jersey from the past, except for one team.
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I hope there are tennis fans among the Stampboarders :D and I hope for your help in identifying the sportsmen in the 1997 Monaco stamp that commemorated the centenary of Monte Carlo Masters. The stamp is obviously designed using photographs. The tennis player in the cap, I suppose is Henry Ellsworth Vines. It was his habit to play in a cap :)
Can anyone help to identify the others?
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The left-hander serving behind Vines has the look of Goran Ivanivesic...
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Thank you so much, TheRoyalCounty :D

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