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Question re New Zealand 1935 Postage Due handstamp?

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This New Zealand cover posted to South Africa in 1935 has an oval black handstamp on the right with a manuscript '40' superimposed.

I have seen this once before on a 1932 NZ airmail cover to Sudan.

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Is this a postage due handstamp? I cannot find anything similar on either Google or Stampboards. Is anyone able to please help.

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Do not recall seeing that before. Looks like it was assessed as underpaid and then someone masked that out?

7d was the air rate to here - maybe also to RSA in those days? So was paid correctly
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I am pretty sure this cover was underpaid. This was supposed to be part of the return Kingsford Smith flight back to Australia. Flight one way was 7d.

There is the special Sydney receiving cancel of 20 May 1935 indicating is was considered part of the special 'Trans-Tasman flight' mail.

Airmail from New Zealand to South Africa in 1935 was 2s 9d. Surface rate was 1d.

I think that the 7d covered the 'flight' from New Zealand to Australia. However there should have been an additional 1d for travel by sea to South Africa. I assumed the tax to be double the deficiency i.e. 2d or 16 gold centimes (I cannot figure out how the number of 40 centimes is arrived at).

The 40 centimes is written over, not under, the black handstamp.

I am trying to understand what the black oval handstamp means. The design is rather unique.

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Re: Question re New Zealand 1935 Postage Due handstamp?

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I have spent the past couple of years working on this issue and it looks as if the obliterator cancel (the black oblong cork cancel) may have been applied in Australia.

The airmail rate for the return 1935 Trans-Tasman flight to Australia was 7d. Onward air transmission to South Africa would have been an additional 2s 9d (33d). Converting the 40 centimes in 1935 exchange rates totals 32p Australia or New Zealand currency.

My current working assumption is that the postage due cachet with the 40 centimes rate was applied in New Zealand (I think the reason a double deficiency rate was not applied was because of the commemorative nature of the flight).

I think the obliterator cancel may have been applied in Australia and the item forwarded to South Africa by sea instead of by air. This would have covered the usual rate for surface mail (2d Empire surface rate plus 5d special air fee for flight).

Has anyone seen such an obliterator on Australian mail?

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Re: Question re New Zealand 1935 Postage Due handstamp?

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Hi Neil,

I have a number of different barred oval obliterators used on Australian naval mail at either Fremantle or Sydney during WWII.

Mine have 8, 9 or 10 bars. I have not previously seen your 6 bar obliterator with the "A" or inverted "V". I wonder if it is a Cape Town marking?

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Re: Question re New Zealand 1935 Postage Due handstamp?

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The “A” is an NZ canceller, used in Auckland.

It appears that a postal deficiency was possibly detected, hence the initial application of the Taxe mark. The cover ended up being checked and it appears that the cover was not underpaid - hence the obliteration was used to nullify the indicated underpayment.

Incidentally, this appears to be a very late usage of this particular obliterator.

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That is incredibly helpful. Many thanks.
The Auckland obliterator fits in well. There is a Sydney transit cancel on the back and the onward transmission would have been by sea. The 7d rate was the agreed upon rate for the Trans-Tasman flight (5d air fee plus Empire 2d surface rate). Even though the Empire surface rate from New Zealand was 1d (Australia's was 2d), McNamara, the NZ Director-General, agreed to the total fee.
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Re: Question re New Zealand 1935 Postage Due handstamp?

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Hello,

I bought a New to me but Old Book.

The Postage Stamps of New Zealand Vol:III

I'm going to show the some of the A's (233 for Auckland area's only shown. Has rest of NZ as well.) Obliterator's Cancellation's and a link to the handstruck area. Port Albert.# 14

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Number's 3,5,7,8,11,& 14 were used as Killer Cancels so the Book says.

Here is a link to Port Albert first known as Albertland by In 1861 William Rawson Brame, a Birmingham Baptist minister.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Albert,_New_Zealand

I hope I got this right & was of assisttance.

This book is not cheap (cost me $150) but has a lot of NZ Cancellations.

I'm sure unless Glen Sold them had a set of 10 . Not sure If he still has them.

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That is very helpful Peter. Many thanks.
I looked up Port Albert and I note it is a suburb of Auckland. I assume the words "postal dist" associated with the names means postal district of Auckland. What does the (see A 35) mean after the name?
The book you are referring to sounds like Collins' book The Postage Stamps of New Zealand. Am I correct? Are you able to provide me a page number.
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Yes.
Postage stamps of NZ Vol 3 page 43

Collins and CW Watts Authors

Yes. Says Postal Districts. There is 233 places in Auckland alone. No where like that now.

A35 says see A14

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Wonderful. Many thanks for the quick response Peter.

Will need to work through this new piece of information.

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philatel2 wrote:
03 Sep 2021 15:37
That is very helpful Peter. Many thanks.
I looked up Port Albert and I note it is a suburb of Auckland. I assume the words "postal dist" associated with the names means postal district of Auckland. What does the (see A 35) mean after the name?
The book you are referring to sounds like Collins' book The Postage Stamps of New Zealand. Am I correct? Are you able to provide me a page number.
Neil
I doubt many Aucklander's would consider Port Albert a suburb of Auckland. It is in Rodney district which is a part of Auckland district; but not of Auckland City and there are two reasonable sized towns between it and the city.

It's like saying Somenos is a suburb of Victoria, BC.

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Thanks for the clarification.
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