Why are the wide on one side stamp Wing Margins so Unloved?

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Why are the wide on one side stamp Wing Margins so Unloved?

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Why do many collectors shun wing margins? They are rarer than normals, and can add a bit of colour to a collection. Opinions wanted.

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I think this stems from two reasons ..

First .. for those with printed albums, these stamps did not fit in the little boxes provided

Second .. when there are a series of plates involved (as in some of the GB issues) and odd one with a wing margin can make a page look unbalanced.

There are probably a whole host of other reasons as well .. but for my part - if I want a balanced page I find a copy from the other part of the sheet then use the wing margin to write up that aspect on the following page.

As you say, less common than the others in the sheet and adds something to a collection

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Norm ... for whats its worth, I like them !

So long as the perforations are all intact, they are perfectly acceptable to me. I do not like them when they have been trimmed down. They have been ruined IMHO.

Correctness in a collection should have them 'as issued' too!

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Post by iomoon »

I like them too.

Because I collect oi,io which are wing margin, if some idiot hasn't sliced the wing off or reperforated it.

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Beats me! I've been collecting them for years because they often have choice cancels and sometimes are less expensive then those which are not wing margins.

I suppose one reason might be that dealers will offer you less for them ( should you allow them ) telling you "no one collects them".

I stopped letting this bother me when I found that these same dealers will also tell you "no one collects THAT anymore" -- regardless of what collection you are offering!

I think wing margins are quite acceptable, thank you.
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I also prefer them, and have seen them sell at slight premiums at Toronto shows.

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Post by Eric Casagrande »

They make the overall stamp look a little cock-eyed ... but that is just one man's opinion. :D

Unless it was a truly rare stamp, I wouldn't purchase one.

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I do not like the look of them myself.

HOWEVER, if someone wants to give me the LH vertical strip of this for Xmas I'll accept it gracefully!
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Trust me.... ALL Penny Universals with wing margins are absolutely worthless.

So don't waste your time with them, just carefully package them up and send them to me. I will dispose of them in a dignifified manner.

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RolyRJ wrote:Trust me.... ALL Penny Universals with wing margins are absolutely worthless.

So don't waste your time with them, just carefully package them up and send them to me. I will dispose of them in a dignifified manner.

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DK wrote:
RolyRJ wrote:Trust me.... ALL Penny Universals with wing margins are absolutely worthless.

So don't waste your time with them, just carefully package them up and send them to me. I will dispose of them in a dignifified manner.

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Post by David Smitham »

Looking at wing margin stamps from an historical viewpoint: if collected as a pair with the margin in the centre they are the forerunners to today's gutter pairs, and we know what happened to the British gutter pairs of 20+ years ago! A boom and bust situation!

If you had an old (QV Victorian) stamp with side selvedge on would you discard the selvedge just because it was there, or to make the stamp fit the space available for it in your album?

Nowadays one can purchase album pages for gutter pairs/ gutter strips but not for wing margin stamps.

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Re: Why are Wing Margins so Unloved?

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Hi to all of you.

I like stamps with wing margins very much. They are unusual, tell something about the circumstances of printing and are very interesting.
They exist from GB, Cape of Good Hope, Straits, Australian States, and and and.
From NZ I have some Penny Universals from booklets.
And GB QV 8d exist without wing margin, with perforated wing margin and with unperforated wing margin.
The last two are not very common.
If you happen to have some and don't like them, send them to me. :lol:
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Re: Why are Wing Margins so Unloved?

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Guten Abend, Crazygerman 8)

Can you scan any examples of your wing margins, and post them up here. :?:

I'm sure other members would be interested to see these :idea:

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Hi gavin-h,
I would like to do that, but as I just learned this is not possible, if these scans exist only on my computer and not on the internet.
Since I do not have my own internet pages, it is not possible to show some of my stamps.
Sorry.
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Re: Why are Wing Margins so Unloved?

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crazygerman wrote:Hi gavin-h,
I would like to do that, but as I just learned this is not possible, if these scans exist only on my computer and not on the internet.
Since I do not have my own internet pages, it is not possible to show some of my stamps.
Sorry.
You need to make photobucket your friend :) Sign up for an account there (it's free for a certain capacity) then you can upload them painlessly and show them here.

Instructions: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5308&p=211156

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Hi gavin-h,

I think I managed it, but not via photobucket but via 666kb.com. That is better from Germany.

Here are some pictures of GB 8d orange with wingmargins with and without perf:

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Lars .... that worked well. That 223 cancel is just superb!

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I'm a wing margin fan myself. A few that I have put aside over the years:

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Re: Why are Wing Margins so Unloved?

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Mike,

Some great examples there 8)

Interesting to see that on two of those, the postmark ceases abruptly part way across the "wing" - presumably where the sender had overlapped another stamp on there to cover that "ugly white bit" :idea:

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Naw, they did it so the pretty white bit would be protected! :D

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OttawaMike wrote:Naw, they did it so the pretty white bit would be protected! :D
Interestingly, wing margins on any perforated Australian stamps (including most State issues) are worth big money, actually being part imperforate! :)
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I'm with those who like them, and think they should command a premium more often than a discount, but as modern issues predominates in my collecting, I don't have examples to show.
As to unpopularity i believe the principal reason is, as previously stated ... "for those with printed albums, these stamps did not fit in the little boxes provided", with their lopsidedness being an issue for fewer collectors.

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Re: Why are Wing Margins so Unloved?

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From the comments in this thread, I think we could summarise as:

Wing Margins - Stamp collectors hate 'em, but Philatelists love 'em :idea:

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Just to add my thoughts on wing margins, I am happily a fan of them in many cases as they help many of these early surface printed issues appear to have much better centring than they actually do!

The above examples highlight this , with the SG147 Pl 13 6d Grey way off center to the right but this is not apparent due to wing margin. Equally the 6d Lilac pair are way off to the right but very much offset by the wing margin again coming to the rescue.
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You're right about that, Highlander. The first pair also shows why it is so hard to get well centered early GB. The diameter of the perf holes is just barely less than the width of the gutter between the stamps.

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Hi all,

here I'll show some nice items with wing margins to you:

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As far as I know the panes were seperated before delivery to the postoffices between the two wingmargin-pairs. Sometimes they did not tear it but used scissors or sharp knifes. At this 6d stamp you can see a little part of the other wingmargin stamp.

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This 9d stamp is simply beautiful.
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I continue. Wing margins were also at stamps from the colonies.

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Here is a 32c from Straits Settlements, nice colour, nice cancellation.

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This 96c stamp has a dented frame ul.

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Hongkong had wingmargin-stamps too.

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Is this NZ FFQ 3d a wingmargin stamp too?

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Hi Lars the 9d Straw is very nice copy indeed, especially the colour and freshness is clear to see.
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Not my area, but I don't believe that the NZ Chalon is a wing margin. More of a misperf - unintentional.

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Personally, I like wing margins. They also allow more space for nice cancels.



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I like them too, as long as they haven't been trimmed or reperforated.

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gavin-h wrote:From the comments in this thread, I think we could summarise as:

Wing Margins - Stamp collectors hate 'em, but Philatelists love 'em :idea:
What Gavin said. They're an interesting and sometimes important variety.

I'm not even sure why they're considered 'ugly'. I suspect a lot of people would love them if the extra white paper was a perforated margin, although to me that would look far more like something hanging off the edge of the stamp (because, well, it is).

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I like the extra bits of paper.



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Those aren't wing margins though. :D
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I like and collect wing margins (postally used Western Australia state...if you have any looking for a really nice home)... :D .

They are an interesting variation and their collection makes for a more complete record of of the variations that can be expected to be found amongst postage stamps; to Peter S's point..."part imperforate"...and I daresay a few have been judiciously trimmed to give the impression of being completely imperforate on one margin... :(

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From what I see of HK stamps sold, wing margins don't affect value much. The margins are so 'tight' that some extra space can save a stamp from ending up with design-cut-into perfs.
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The extra space can also accommodate a more complete strike of a date stamp part of which might otherwise be missing on a stamp lacking the extra margin.

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Pod wrote:The extra space can also accommodate a more complete strike of a date stamp part of which might otherwise be missing on a stamp lacking the extra margin.

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Beautiful... :D

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Pod wrote:The extra space can also accommodate a more complete strike of a date stamp part of which might otherwise be missing on a stamp lacking the extra margin.

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Being able to scan and enlarge stamps is great! I can look at huge images of our stamps with ease and see things that are hard work even with a magnifying glass...

Using the above technique I think I have answered my own question but I am looking for confirmation. I found this stamp in an old stamp album owned by Sue's (my wife) grandmother. At first it looked like a stamp that had been cut off the paper trimming the perfs. On closer inspection, the stamp has a margin (on the left hand side) that is too wide to be a simple cut out. see below:

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So I have decided that this must have been a wing-margin stamp from the centre of the sheet.

Do you agree?

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So...is this a wing margin?

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I feel I may have killed this thread.....oops :oops:
Why do I collect ONLY used stamps? A stamp was created to be cancelled. Otherwise its just coloured sticky paper!

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